Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

[Fred Flintstoner]

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[Jerry Garcia]

Well, hey Jerry....long time, no see.

I just want to let you know that I would be MORE than happy to babysit those mommas for you.
Say you took yet some more clones of PPP before flowering, yes?
I swear I don't know how you manage veging/cloning AND flowering in that space!!!

What are the dimensions you are working with again?

Glad to have you back in the fold babs...I was wondering when you would drop by again.

I've still got the PPP Jr. veggging, and I just topped a separate PPP clone and am rooting the top as a clone, so there is plenty of PPP to go around.

As far as space, I'm trying to make the most out of it. My flower room is 17" wide (expanding to about 19" inside the room) X 30" deep and ~48" tall. Basically the flower room can hold up to 8 7" square pots.

The veg room is really just a bookshelf in my bathroom closet. On the top shelf I can hold 8 5" square black pots with room for a couple more outside of the potting tray. I can hang my cfl's directly above the veg shelf and adjust the height pretty easily.

The clone chamber is one shelf below and fits about the same as the veg shelf...but they are usually in solo cups down there. I've got my 2 24w T5HO's illuminating this area, and usually I run one at a time (until the clones root, then I'll flip them both on).

So yes, lots of plants in not a lot of space. Takes some serious forethought though to not overdo it and plant too much...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

its been a minute since i stopped in but the girls look great jerry! and u got some killa beans i wanted some ripper too and the og18 but it was sold out

Thanks war, glad to have you around too!

I'm pretty stoked about the new genetics..should be a fun ride!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

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Welcome, Fred! Thanks for joining the party!

 

[Babs34]

Now see....that's just wild to me. I'm working with 5 ft. wide, 5 feet tall and 17" deep. You would think I could fit at least as much as you. Yet, I can only comfortably fit my 30" clone in half that space right now, and it IS in one of those little black pots. I want to put it in a much bigger pot.
Not having enough space is SO frustrating.

I'm seriously thinking about giving up my laundry room, a closet here and there.....a bathroom even, LOL....the things I will do to grow.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

It just takes a little planning and determination...

And you don't have to "give up" an entire room, just grow in the room with your laundry. I only gave up half of my closet, and I still use the other half for clothes/shoes/whatever.

My $10 thrift store bookshelf was the best idea I ever had. The bottom shelf holds all my nutrients/stuff (man is there a lot of stuff!) the upper shelf is the clone chamber and on top of the whole thing goes the veg. The only issue I have is letting the veg get 6 hours darkness with the clones getting 24 hour light. I just drop a towel over the shelf so it blocks out 99% of the light and I'm good to go.

 

[hemphopper]

Hey Jerry and Babs,

Thanks for the space conversation. Space is my final frontier also. My 2' X 4' X 6' cabinet has workrd well but I'd really like to develop a clone & veg area as well. Growing is more addicting than smokng!

 

[tom__420]

Nice grow jerry, got any new pics?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Hey Jerry and Babs,

Thanks for the space conversation. Space is my final frontier also. My 2' X 4' X 6' cabinet has workrd well but I'd really like to develop a clone & veg area as well. Growing is more addicting than smokng!

Yeah HH, that cabinet you have now is a good size for flowering, but having that extra veg/clone space makes so much difference, especially if you're trying to grow perpetually (and really, who isn't?).

As I said, I stuck a $10 bookshelf in half of my closet, so clearly it doesn't take too much space to veg. The biggest issue is light leaking, as each chamber operates on a different light schedule (24 clones, 18 veg, 12 flower).

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Nice grow jerry, got any new pics?

Thanks for stopping by tom. I'll get some new pics up tonight after the girls wake up (8pm...stay tuned!). They've been flowering like crazy over the past few days...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

So things are doing fine here on the farm. The biggest issue at the moment is seed germination. The OG Kush and LSD have both successfully germed, though the LSD stretched a little because the seed casing got stuck on the cotyledon leaves! I plucked it off with some tweezers and buried the stretched stem as much as I could. Should be fine though.

I grew a little concerned yesterday that the chocolope and moby dick might have been sowed a little too deep in the soil, so I went digging to take a look. The moby dick had a short taproot sprouted so I covered it with a thin layer of dirt. Should pop the surface soon I hope. When I dug for the chocolope however, the seed appeared to be just on the verge of cracking open. I didn't get a great look at it because I didn't want to touch it, but I think it may have just been taking longer than the others to germinate. I put a thin layer of soil on it too and put it back under the lights. I'm hopeful both will sprout, but at this point I really don't know.

Moving to the clones...I fimmed 3 of them two days ago and topped the PPP. I left one Blue Cheese A untouched. I cloned the top of the PPP clone so hopefully that will be rooting in a few days.

Things are looking great in the flower room. The Thai Super Skunk is trying to take over everything...it's already taking up the space of 2 pots and sprawling around the sides of the room. I've supercropped it multiple times and will probably continue doing so for another 2+ months.... The PPP looks marvelous. Both blue cheeses are doing well, though B is outgrowing A in every way possible. We'll see which phenotype is the headier one though. Even the bagseed plants are starting to smell nice! Can't wait to get them out of the way and throw some more plants into flower!

Here's an in-situ shot of the flower room. So small, yet so full of plants...

The three bagseed beauties. Smelling nicer by the day...just want them to hurry up and finish though...

PPP.

Another shot of the PPP. Such beautiful flowers...

Blue Cheese A. The runt...not really that much small though, just slower. Maybe I could call it the retard and it would actually be true (and not insulting because retard=slow!). Really though its doing fine. Got a little lean going on...have to monitor that.

Here's the top of the retarded plant...ok I'll stop calling it that now...

Blue Cheese B.

Also BCB.

Thai Super Skunk. So big I didn't want to remove it from the room. It's getting some quality light 4" from the HPS though...I love my air cooled reflector!

Clones. The bigger ones are Blue Cheese B, the small ones are Blue Cheese A and the really small one bottom left is the topped PPP. Blue Cheese A in the back left is the only untopped/unfimmed plant.

Here's PPP Jr. Kinda yellow at the bottom...doing fine though.

Little girls...man I hope that Chocolope germinates or I'm out $20!

You can see how stretched the LSD got...oh well, I'll make it work. The OG sprouted and then literally bent itself in half. I added more soil and dried to prop it up a little...weird little plants...Oh and the top of the PPP clone is rooting on the left there.

I think that's about it for today. I'll update on the other 2 seeds as things happen.

 

[hemphopper]

Hey Jerry,

Lookin very sweet! I had that clinging seed shell thing back in June with one of my Blue Cheese. It did stretch too, in fact I believe it is my tallest one now. Had to tie it down. Your flowering plants are awesome. I need to get an HPS lamp for my next grow. Would you let me know where you got your lamb and reflector? That Thai Super Skunk will yield some great smoke I bet. How tall is she now?

 

[tom__420]

Everything looks awesome man, that ppp is going to give you some HUGE buds thats for sure. What kind of light are you using over your seedlings? Just a regular tube flouro? Also, I grew a Thai Super Skunk on my last grow and it gave out some really nice bud with some chocolate fragrance during flowering. That pic you have of her looks so similar to the way mine did its kinda freaky haha. You can check out my last journal for comparison if you'd like, it is called 250 watt MH grow with pics. Keep up the real nice growing dude

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Hey Jerry,

Lookin very sweet! I had that clinging seed shell thing back in June with one of my Blue Cheese. It did stretch too, in fact I believe it is my tallest one now. Had to tie it down. Your flowering plants are awesome. I need to get an HPS lamp for my next grow. Would you let me know where you got your lamb and reflector? That Thai Super Skunk will yield some great smoke I bet. How tall is she now?

Thanks HH. I hope the clinger doesn't mess up that LSD too bad.

I was lucky enough to find a metal halide ballast, bulb and reflector combo on craigslist for $75 (I only paid $30 because the guy listed it as an HPS), but I check pretty frequently and the pickings are slim around me these days. You could order one online...ebay has lots...but a hydro store is probably the way to go if you have one available. Even though I have a 400w MH ballast I use a 360w HPS conversion bulb and HIGHLY recommend HPS as the preferred system. Get at least a 400, maybe even a 600 watt if you can...the more light the better!

As far as that Thai...I don't know how tall she is. Probably about 3+ feet now, but it could be 5+ if I hadn't intervened a little. The supercropping has definitely exposed a ton of bud sites too.

Everything looks awesome man, that ppp is going to give you some HUGE buds thats for sure. What kind of light are you using over your seedlings? Just a regular tube flouro? Also, I grew a Thai Super Skunk on my last grow and it gave out some really nice bud with some chocolate fragrance during flowering. That pic you have of her looks so similar to the way mine did its kinda freaky haha. You can check out my last journal for comparison if you'd like, it is called 250 watt MH grow with pics. Keep up the real nice growing dude

Thanks tom. I've got high hopes for that PPP...gonna be keeping that pheno around for sure!

I've rigged up 2 24w T5HO fluoros that put out 4000 lumens each. For the clones I was only running 1 for the first week or so (until they rooted), but with the seedlings I'm running both 24/7. It's crazy that the seed shell could block enough light to make it stretch like it did though. I wanted to let the seedling break free of it's shell naturally but sometimes nature just needs a helping hand...

I'm headed over to check out your Thai grow now tom.

Feel free to comment here any time!

 

[SnowWhite]

now that's just lovely Jerry.....

This is one of my favourite stages, as the buds are starting to fill out That plant is showing perfect EC, the way the leaves are pointing up like that. Whatever you're feeding it, it loves you fot it!

 

[SnowWhite]

oops....double post!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

now that's just lovely Jerry.....

This is one of my favourite stages, as the buds are starting to fill out That plant is showing perfect EC, the way the leaves are pointing up like that. Whatever you're feeding it, it loves you fot it!

Thanks Snow. I liked that pic a lot too.

I give it the Blue Mountain Organic nutrient line Grow it Green, Flower Power, Foliar Harmony and Super Plant Tonic. And some FoxFarm Big Bloom organic fertilizer (mostly earthworm castings and bat guano). The medium is Ocean Forest. I use brita-filtered tap water too.

My first grow I used the full fox farm line and burnt the sh*t out of my plants...they still turned out nice, but no where near as nice as I think these will. Is that better genetics (I used bagseed before) or better nutrients or better care...who knows. But they eat up the organics! Especially that PPP.

 

[Babs34]

So things are doing fine here on the farm. The biggest issue at the moment is seed germination. The OG Kush and LSD have both successfully germed, though the LSD stretched a little because the seed casing got stuck on the cotyledon leaves! I plucked it off with some tweezers and buried the stretched stem as much as I could. Should be fine though.

I grew a little concerned yesterday that the chocolope and moby dick might have been sowed a little too deep in the soil, so I went digging to take a look. The moby dick had a short taproot sprouted so I covered it with a thin layer of dirt. Should pop the surface soon I hope. When I dug for the chocolope however, the seed appeared to be just on the verge of cracking open. I didn't get a great look at it because I didn't want to touch it, but I think it may have just been taking longer than the others to germinate. I put a thin layer of soil on it too and put it back under the lights. I'm hopeful both will sprout, but at this point I really don't know.

Moving to the clones...I fimmed 3 of them two days ago and topped the PPP. I left one Blue Cheese A untouched. I cloned the top of the PPP clone so hopefully that will be rooting in a few days.

Things are looking great in the flower room. The Thai Super Skunk is trying to take over everything...it's already taking up the space of 2 pots and sprawling around the sides of the room. I've supercropped it multiple times and will probably continue doing so for another 2+ months.... The PPP looks marvelous. Both blue cheeses are doing well, though B is outgrowing A in every way possible. We'll see which phenotype is the headier one though. Even the bagseed plants are starting to smell nice! Can't wait to get them out of the way and throw some more plants into flower!

Here's an in-situ shot of the flower room. So small, yet so full of plants...

The three bagseed beauties. Smelling nicer by the day...just want them to hurry up and finish though...

PPP.

Another shot of the PPP. Such beautiful flowers...

Blue Cheese A. The runt...not really that much small though, just slower. Maybe I could call it the retard and it would actually be true (and not insulting because retard=slow!). Really though its doing fine. Got a little lean going on...have to monitor that.

Here's the top of the retarded plant...ok I'll stop calling it that now...

Blue Cheese B.

Also BCB.

Thai Super Skunk. So big I didn't want to remove it from the room. It's getting some quality light 4" from the HPS though...I love my air cooled reflector!

Clones. The bigger ones are Blue Cheese B, the small ones are Blue Cheese A and the really small one bottom left is the topped PPP. Blue Cheese A in the back left is the only untopped/unfimmed plant.

Here's PPP Jr. Kinda yellow at the bottom...doing fine though.

Little girls...man I hope that Chocolope germinates or I'm out $20!

You can see how stretched the LSD got...oh well, I'll make it work. The OG sprouted and then literally bent itself in half. I added more soil and dried to prop it up a little...weird little plants...Oh and the top of the PPP clone is rooting on the left there.

I think that's about it for today. I'll update on the other 2 seeds as things happen.

How long has it been since planting that chocolope? I get antsy myself if it doesn't germinate within a week!!!!!
A "little" too deeply planted will not make or break it, but I can definitely understand the inquisitions......
Look at the bright side (and I don't know this from experience---only from hearsay)---if it doesn't crack open, "att" will happily replace......."so I've heard." They'd better if I order from them.....if I set out to germinate, that bitch is going somewhere......if not, it's the breeders fault.......not mine.
I say LET THE THAI take over.........bend, BEND, "crack"...honestly, my biggest buds came from branches I "bent".......and "oops" I snapped the branch.
That PPP is looking SWEET...........I predict FAT buds.
And a "btw"......so glad to see your catching the "retard/slow" analogy.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Well babs, it has been about a week since planting the chocolope and I've got a feeling it isn't going to be sprouting. Bummer. I'll probably order another one sometime...

Unfortunately I don't think attitude will replace the bunk seed...they have a disclaimer that says they can't discuss germination techniques or issues surrounding germination because it is illegal to germinate seeds in the U.K. They say they won't even respond to emails. Oh well.

As for the Thai Super Skunk, it just sprawls around my little grow space. I've been supercropping like crazy and it actually seems to enjoy it. The amount of branches that have started growing into their own little "tops" is incredible. I'd be ok if it stopped stretching though...

 

[Babs34]

Hmm. Well, from my personal experience, I've never had a seed take longer than a week to germinate. Keep giving it some love and see what happens.
That bites about their policy. Then again, I can see every other random person claiming they didn't have a seed(s) germinate. Practicing that kind of warranty would not be wise.
I was kind of leaning towards getting that too. I noticed it in "pick and choose" section. But now......hmm, we'll see.
Happy to see your plants looking so healthy. LOL...looks like you tackled the bug problem too.
"Sigh".....now on to MY "bugcheck."
I think I'm going to have to move out of my place.