Can't find my other post so again. 43 Plants, 1000 hps on 6' rail mover, filter, fan, Two hydro tubs, four tubes with Bonicare pro nutes, veged to 18" the 12/12, 6.5 x 6' floor area with 8' ceiling. How much with Northern Lights, Pure Gold, & a little AK can I yield with this set up??? Thanks.
Yield with 43xP?
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I don't get it? You said not with a light mover but I know someone who uses one and he gets outstanding results. So you saying a light mover is no bueno??? I must dissagree! Seen it done. Two 1000 hps's is to much. I also have side lighting if I want to use one of my two t5x8 units but with the mover I can cover more area is how I see it. If you can tell me why you feel the mover is not going to make for more coverage please explain it to me...
Oh come on, oh you were finished, well allow me to retort. LOL... Why would a light mover not create more bud in a larger area? They don't make them just for fun you know. I have seen one do amazing things so I am at a loss understanding why you say it is basically not a good thing to use and or it won't increase yields...????!
I don't get it? You said not with a light mover but I know someone who uses one and he gets outstanding results. So you saying a light mover is no bueno??? I must dissagree! Seen it done. Two 1000 hps's is to much. I also have side lighting if I want to use one of my two t5x8 units but with the mover I can cover more area is how I see it. If you can tell me why you feel the mover is not going to make for more coverage please explain it to me...
aknight3
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and again you are wrong, theres no such thing as to much light, unless your saying that two 1000 watters are stronger than the sun of course, esp in your 6x6 sq ft area, thats 36 sqft, so 167000 lumen output on 1000 watter would be 4600 lumens per sq ft give or take, the sun lets off 10k lumens per sq ft, on a light mover or not those figures do not even come close to optimal conditions sorry
You are right, two 1000 lights are better. How about 3 or 10 1000 watt lights. You see the point is that with the 1000 hps on the mover You will get fantastic buds and you say no in a 6x6.5 area. You are so wrong. Plenty of light to go around and so in your perfect world where money is no object, or you just like want to make the guiness book of biggest ever bud the only way would be to follow the math and put up 50000 dollars of light, electricity, and risk even though you would get way mucho bud from the set up I described. I know what I speak of. You go right ahead and waste money but I have SEEN It DONE!!!!
I have to agree w/ the other guy 1000 in 6x6.5 is not enough light, mover or not. 6' deep is an odd size to light as well, is the mover a rotating type or a track? If it's a track, the edges will not be getting optimum light. In a space like that I would want 4x600s if it was wall to wall w/ plants which is about 65W/SQFT.. so not really over kill.
cackpircings
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1 million lbs!
rbahadosingh
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Only the Ganja God can answer that one. Way too many variables. anything can happen during your grow which can effect the outcome like temps, nutrient burn etc...
rbahadosingh
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If you were doing SOG i would say that 1000 on a light mover would be sufficient. Al B. uses 1000 over a pair of 4x4 trays. for those of you who cant add thats 1000 covering a 8x4 area.
Right On bro. I know it will make a wonderful outcome. Some people just want to take everything to the extreme and I know that in a perfect world they are right but in this world I am. 
aknight3
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im going to try to explain this 1 more time friend. you obviously just arent getting what im saying to you. you want the yield, for 43 plants, in a 6 by 6 area you said okay. with 1 1000 watt hps and a light mover. for one, its simply impossible to predict what your yield is going to be, i cannot guess you yield, BUT the factors will include, stlye of growing, medium of growing, nutrients, nutrient burn, temperature, humidity, amount of light, amount of co2, amount of oxygen to the roots, when you harest, how long you veg for, what type of strain your using, what type of clone you got off of the strain your using (not all big bud yeild big just becuase its big bud, you need to find the perfect pheno) and how good of a grower you are. now these are only half of the factors included, so honeslty i cannot guess your yield, BUT if i had to these are the factors i would take into effect. but this is what you said
Lets say all is perfect of close. In that respect with all female clones! what is the best with all things considered, ie the room size and lights and system?? Is 2 oz per plant possible in this size with that many plants??
now, i assume you meant of course not of close, by saying 1 1000 watt light is PERFECT is wrong man. lets say even on a light mover your gettting 5,000 lumens per sq ft, thats still half of what plants outside receive, yes marijuana plants that have been growing here for a little over 60 million years, now, THATS optimal conditions, not 5,000 lumens that is, but 10,000 lumens per sq ft, and by the way 1 1000 watter will not even put that many lumens per sq ft out im just being generous, now with 2 1000 watters your looking at 350,000 lumens rougly divide that by 36 and you get 9,700 or something close to that, not thats more like optimal conditions to me. so if i had to take a guess, 50 plants on a 1000 watter, and you dont fuck it up you might pull 1pound and 5-10 ounces, if you get 2 1000s i would say you will double that if not more, given this is my experience i use 2 600 watters and easily get a lb per light, ive worked with the strains ive had for 3 years now and have dialed them in, again many many factors didnt mean to be a dick but im just trying to help you, if you want maximum optimal conditions you need another 1000 watter, if you dont im not saying your buds wont be beautiful, but it wont be OPTIMUM
Lets say all is perfect of close. In that respect with all female clones! what is the best with all things considered, ie the room size and lights and system?? Is 2 oz per plant possible in this size with that many plants??
now, i assume you meant of course not of close, by saying 1 1000 watt light is PERFECT is wrong man. lets say even on a light mover your gettting 5,000 lumens per sq ft, thats still half of what plants outside receive, yes marijuana plants that have been growing here for a little over 60 million years, now, THATS optimal conditions, not 5,000 lumens that is, but 10,000 lumens per sq ft, and by the way 1 1000 watter will not even put that many lumens per sq ft out im just being generous, now with 2 1000 watters your looking at 350,000 lumens rougly divide that by 36 and you get 9,700 or something close to that, not thats more like optimal conditions to me. so if i had to take a guess, 50 plants on a 1000 watter, and you dont fuck it up you might pull 1pound and 5-10 ounces, if you get 2 1000s i would say you will double that if not more, given this is my experience i use 2 600 watters and easily get a lb per light, ive worked with the strains ive had for 3 years now and have dialed them in, again many many factors didnt mean to be a dick but im just trying to help you, if you want maximum optimal conditions you need another 1000 watter, if you dont im not saying your buds wont be beautiful, but it wont be OPTIMUM
actually there is a such thing as to much light.
On my show I have full control over environment, which means I can practically put a 1000 watt 2-3" from the tops of plants with no temp problems. but what happens is called light bleaching. the bud's green is all bleached out and becomes white. Once that happens, just like any problem in hydro, growth will slow and she will need to recover.
I personally like the idea of light movers and will probably buy one for the next show. You can grow SOG putting plants 6" apart. If I was you I would build something custom that is roughly 5x6 under a 1k on a light mover. you could max out the canapy and put ~120 plants under it. yea, I think 4x4 is best for a 1k watter but im giving ~2 extra feet for the light mover and by 5ft instead just because you can still get weight offa the ends! it just wont be like the girls in the middle
hell, use the extra smaller ends for hash making!! yumm. its pretty average to get 1/2oz-1oz with no veg time with SOG. i like to veg a little then flip em to build a better root system (bigger roots mean more bud) it just means they are a little taller than most peoples however they are still trimmed the same so its just extra stem attached to bigger roots (if you have a high enough roof to manage the bigger stems.
I hope my rambling helped? im a little out of it right now, but i think it mostly makes sense
-Doc
aknight3
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yes sir you are right i have had that happening, but its not from to much light its from to much light intensity, its only because you have that super bright bulb just a few inches away from the tops, to much intensity=light bleach but that can be prervented by simply raising a light up, so no there is no such thing as to much light
yea, if the plant is to close to the bulb it will bleach em, we can agree on that
but what would be the point of filling the ceiling with lights and keeping the plants 5 feet away? You should always try to be efficient especially with lights. you want to make use of lumen intensity (not sure what light intensity is really, maybe you can fill me in on what that means exactly) and you can have to much of that. even on earth, from the sun, it's been known to happen at high altitudes (really high altitudes).
the only reason i posted here was to correct your statement. you made it like it was a simple straight fact and its not.
most people never find out about light bleaching because few people run rooms where temps are not an issue (like a sealed room). I dont wish to argue and im not going to. it's just that this site seems to be filled with these kind of partially true statements.
-Doc