whats so bad about bagseeds ?

[WonderWhatsNext]

theres nothing wrong with bag seeds
i here on here and other forms how people get hermi from seed banks all the time
ive allway grow from bagseeds and i have never ever had 1 hermi,,,not 1

I agree i have bag seed plant flowering right now, looks as good as most of the other pics i see on here. And yeah, doesn't have to be bag seed to go hermie, you can spend money from breeders and get hermies. If your bored and don't have and good seeds then grow some bag seed. And the buds you will get from the plant will be 100 % better because you will be taking good care of the plant threw out it's whole life. Something the last guy didn't give a shit about. It's a way to learn how to grow and get something in the process. Good luck bro and take it easy.

 

[Jester88]

trying to work out whats so bad about bag seed, is it just that u dont really know what the strain is ? as long as its weed , does it really matter that much ?

dude the missus called me in, so ill see if i can explain this in a way that will make sense.

the question.
whats so bad about bagseed.

the answer
well its a catch 22 situation bagseed can be viewd as both good and bad.

why
the seeds can be caused by either

rouge MALE pollen and reach someone elses plant/crop. though in some cases this is hardly going to happen afterall whos gonna plant near another persons plant/plantation if they can avoid it. (seeds made this way have a 50/50 chance of being female though the ratios can be better with a more experienced grower "though thats another story" basically as i said 50/50 chance male/female. by the way this first cross is reffered to as F1. the parents are from two different gene pools.

this is good

though
the most likely situation is the farmer had a plant/s go hermaphrodite and this pollen pollinated the female plants creating seeds. (i think my missus started covering some of this). the hermaphrodite trait can carry on into following generations (though with time and patience it can be bred out).

BREEDERS TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM ANY PLANTS THAT CONTAIN THESE TRAITS because ultimately they are viewed undesirable. after all who wants there so called female to grow balls halfway through especially when you pay for them.

when a breeder makes female seeds they first find a true female and force it to show male flowers by means of chemicals. ie silver thiophosphate, colloidal silver.

some breeders use more friendly means too such as rhodelization (look it up somas got his shit sorted lol). these are females being crossed with females not hermaphorodite and the harder it is to get them to show the male flowers the better.

ive gone a bit overboard here but fuck it.
as ma missus was saying the seeds could just show some hermaphorodite seeds but at the same time they could be fems depends on the way they were pollinated and the cunt of a thing is unless you know exactly where and what your dealing with youll have to grow a few and see. who knows maybe you got lucky

so again
if you cross a male with a female there can be only males and females as long as theres no hermaphorodite traits in its ancestory. (though a male plant that shows female flowers can be useful in upping female ratios of a strain.)

fuck it ive lost maself now lol. im trying to put too much info into a small message. but i believe if you read through this you should be able to get the answers you need if not im subscribed now, jist let me know whats confusing you

peace out
j88

 

[DoeEyed]

Bagseed can be ok, I would recomend it for your first grow, just to work out your "growing pains" on so to speak, but not much else. My first grow I had six plants, managed to kill three, and the remainder were 2 male and 1 female - that was ok. But the second grow was 20 plants, and that is NOT ok - 15 males and 3 hermies thus far, and going to have to check constantly for balls on the remaining two.
Personally I'll never do bagseed again. At least with good genetics you know you have a roughly 50/50 shot at a female (unless you buy feminized seeds).

 

[Xeno420]

Would you rather smoke some of the sweetest dank that knocks you on your ass or some bud that tastes like pine cones and gives you a headache afterwards? That's the difference.

 

[That 5hit]

more then likely not
the seeds are not kids of hermi
the large farm growers are not walking throught the fields picking the males out
so there will be seeds
now im not saying there are not any hermis, just saying less then likey

and anyways if this bagseed hermi theory was true
then the farmmers would never have a crop, they save seed from each grow. for there next crop
they grow the seeds people say not to grow
there wouldn't be one male or female seeds left, only herm
they have been growing the same gene's, from the same seeds for like forever
the seeds they use are from the last harvest,,, and so on


and like i said i grow bagseeds and never once seen a hermi,
why not (dont answer)
trust, i would have seen at least one herm by now
and ive germmed atleast 30 seeds that grew to become female (more if you count the males)
and not one herm... WOW

 

[Jester88]

to That 5hit
1: what smart commercial farmers do is take a male and a female away and polinate away from the main crop to ensure seeds for next season. THEY KILL ALL OTHER MALES AND HERMIES THAT POP UP though hermies can often elude the comercial farmer.

dont believe me youtube KOG.

2: a lot of comercial farmers use clones from a proven female the only way for them to reproduce is rouge male pollen as i said before or stress or something else causing one of the females to produce male flowers. these polinate the crop and create seeds. these seeds can be prone to hermaphorodite traits as ma missus was trying to explain before. granted she was a bit off but shes still learning.

3: if your pollinating females with males theres no problem your doing shit right. theres certain ways to create fes and the better ways are harder to do.

basically your answer didnt answer shit so don act like a smart ass.
do some researc on breeding and the hermaphorodite trait and yo will see what the fuck im talking about. if i was to cover it all its to long plus ive done it a few times before i was trying to keep it simple and on topic which only a few people have done it seems.. not start a my dick is bigger than yours scenario ok,

basically he doesnt know the origin of his seeds
the only problem really has been pointed out. and as mentioned it also can be beneficial.

i personally like bagseed (theres always that diamond in the roth scenario and to breed out any hermy traits to an acceptable level if you had to requires a lot of work.

anyhoo

peace out
j88

 

[thelastpirate]

Its a lot harder to get your grow technique down with bagseed. Every seed is different with different needs. It just complicates things. Good luck.

This is VERY true. The fewer plants that have INDIVIDUAL needs, the better off you are at first. There are growers out there with as many as 10 or 15 strains growing out at once, but that comes with experience we dont have.
My suggestion would be to grow some seed (Let them grow thru flower) Take clones from the best, most robust girls, concentrating on one or two phenos only. Then grow out those clones. The nutrition/water requirements for each plant will be alot closer together.
With bagseed, the amount of nutes required for one plant may very well kill of some of the others.

But I've seen some really good bagseed grows. Just depends.

My first 2 grows were with bagseed, and they were bittersweet at best. First grow started out with 10, ended up with 1 that gave me just shy of 4 oz of REALLY good pot. 2nd grow I got everyone across the finish line, with so-so weed. (I inadvertently harvested a couple weeks early)

from my experience bag seed i grew wasnt much better than than the bag weed it came from.

so unless the the bag weed was good, id suggest buyin beans unless its your first or second grow.

The first grow gave me about 4 oz of weed that totally eclipsed the dope it came from. I'd say that commercial grows start out life as good, or at least decent genetics. The full potential of those genetics can't be realized because each plant will not get the individualized attention required to maximize quality. The old adage is true. You can have quality, or quantity, it's your choice.

Bagseeds tend to have a higher hermaphrodite rate.


I don't think this is quite correct. If you pollinate a female with a male then you get F1 (1st generation after the parents) seeds. Just a plain cross between a male and female plant that will probably show a few variations when the seeds are grown. They will be a make up of both parents' genetics, with about a 75% rate of being female.

Hermaphrodites are caused during the life-cycle of the cannabis plant due to stress and/or environmental factors. These factors cause the plant produce both female and male flowers. This is NOT something you want. The seeds a hermaphrodite will produce will more than likely be hermaphrodites too.

If I am wrong could someone please fill us in.

In my opinion, you are wrong. It's a bitch to understand without a heavy background in genetics (I have a good general working knowledge of it at best) But here's how I see it:
Late flower 'nanners is a natural trait that occurs at the end of the lifecycle of the cannabis plant. It is not true hermaphrodism. It's like a last ditch effort to ensure the propagation of the species. That does not make that plant a "hermie".
Don't take this as gospel. I do not have a degree in biology or botany (I DID pay attention in them though). I DO have a fairly analytical mind and a good education, and as I see it, a plant that would develop normally barring any outside stimuli is NOT a "hermie" if one forces it to produce nanners.
A true "hermie" would be a plant that has the propensity to develop balls regardless of outside/external stimuli.

he is right to a point

the way they make fem seeds is with a hermi plant - you take the pollin from the hermi and pollinate a diff. female plant (not a clone of or the hermi it self) and those seed that are made will all be female with a small chance of hermi

I was under the impression that STS or CS was used, but no matter, it's the same thing. No matter HOW we force the plant, we are still forcing it.

Again, we are forcing a plant to do something it normally would NOT do. If you were to have NO homosexual tendencies to begin with, yet I force you to to perform fellatio on another guy, are you gay from that point on? I know it's a loose comparison, but you get the idea.
This seems to be the point that everyone seems to have trouble with. Hermaphrodite plants will produce and display both sex organs regardless of environmental factors.

It's just my opinion.....I COULD be wrong! It's been known to happen now and then.

 

[Jester88]

fuck it.

the hermaphorodite state is brought on by a number of things, 1 genetically, 2 stress this includes silver thiophosphate and cs, they also have an inbuilt need to reproduce when left for to long and not pollinated these are the narnas the technique is called rodelization and for it to work 100% the pollinated female must be a true female.

if a female is stressed easily to produce a male narna it is actually undesirable for the pourpose of making feminized seeds the harder it is the better. This is why bagseed can be thought of as bad.

though yes you will get good female ratios in your grows your strain is still prone to producing those unwanted hermies.

like you said its all a question of how the pollen is produced and what caused it.

by the way unless the plant was pollinated by several different males or females the flowering times n the f1 ofspring shouldnt really be to different.

anyhoo im sick of trying to explain shit to people that dont listen

peace out
j88

 

[That 5hit]

This is VERY true. The fewer plants that have INDIVIDUAL needs, the better off you are at first. There are growers out there with as many as 10 or 15 strains growing out at once, but that comes with experience we dont have.
My suggestion would be to grow some seed (Let them grow thru flower) Take clones from the best, most robust girls, concentrating on one or two phenos only. Then grow out those clones. The nutrition/water requirements for each plant will be alot closer together.
With bagseed, the amount of nutes required for one plant may very well kill of some of the others.




My first 2 grows were with bagseed, and they were bittersweet at best. First grow started out with 10, ended up with 1 that gave me just shy of 4 oz of REALLY good pot. 2nd grow I got everyone across the finish line, with so-so weed. (I inadvertently harvested a couple weeks early)



The first grow gave me about 4 oz of weed that totally eclipsed the dope it came from. I'd say that commercial grows start out life as good, or at least decent genetics. The full potential of those genetics can't be realized because each plant will not get the individualized attention required to maximize quality. The old adage is true. You can have quality, or quantity, it's your choice.



In my opinion, you are wrong. It's a bitch to understand without a heavy background in genetics (I have a good general working knowledge of it at best) But here's how I see it:
Late flower 'nanners is a natural trait that occurs at the end of the lifecycle of the cannabis plant. It is not true hermaphrodism. It's like a last ditch effort to ensure the propagation of the species. That does not make that plant a "hermie".
Don't take this as gospel. I do not have a degree in biology or botany (I DID pay attention in them though). I DO have a fairly analytical mind and a good education, and as I see it, a plant that would develop normally barring any outside stimuli is NOT a "hermie" if one forces it to produce nanners.
A true "hermie" would be a plant that has the propensity to develop balls regardless of outside/external stimuli.



I was under the impression that STS or CS was used, but no matter, it's the same thing. No matter HOW we force the plant, we are still forcing it.

Again, we are forcing a plant to do something it normally would NOT do. If you were to have NO homosexual tendencies to begin with, yet I force you to to perform fellatio on another guy, are you gay from that point on? I know it's a loose comparison, but you get the idea.
This seems to be the point that everyone seems to have trouble with. Hermaphrodite plants will produce and display both sex organs regardless of environmental factors.

It's just my opinion.....I COULD be wrong! It's been known to happen now and then.

if you gave another guy head yes you are gay
bottom line even if you never do it again
if you look at another guy and think to yourself i'd sure like to deep thort him you are gay
if you use gay scenairo's
you are gay

sir you are gay

 

[JimmyPot]

Bagseed... Definitely worth the trouble.

you might have to grow a bunch of seeds from different bags to find a real winner, but they are there to be found I assure you.

Currently I'm ripped to shreds on this delicious fruity sour weed, came from the bottom of a bag.

Some more bagseed I've grown.

Looks like you got some purps out of some bag seed.I bet the bag you got it out of was not purple looking.Was it?

 

[thelastpirate]

fuck it.

the hermaphorodite state is brought on by a number of things, 1 genetically, 2 stress this includes silver thiophosphate and cs, they also have an inbuilt need to reproduce when left for to long and not pollinated these are the narnas the technique is called rodelization and for it to work 100% the pollinated female must be a true female.

if a female is stressed easily to produce a male narna it is actually undesirable for the pourpose of making feminized seeds the harder it is the better. This is why bagseed can be thought of as bad.

though yes you will get good female ratios in your grows your strain is still prone to producing those unwanted hermies.

like you said its all a question of how the pollen is produced and what caused it.

by the way unless the plant was pollinated by several different males or females the flowering times n the f1 ofspring shouldnt really be to different.

anyhoo im sick of trying to explain shit to people that dont listen

peace out
j88

While I personally dont believe that they will have a greater propensity for hermaphrodism, thats one of the best explanations I've come across.

if you gave another guy head yes you are gay
bottom line even if you never do it again
if you look at another guy and think to yourself i'd sure like to deep thort him you are gay
if you use gay scenairo's
you are gay

sir you are gay

So.....You read the gay thing and immediately you think it's a reference to YOU? Are you THAT insecure about your sexuality you gotta attack others? It was an analogy dumbass!

You are one homophobic idiot. next time you have a thought....let it go.

 

[ablepipeman]

a cat fight! lol.... I had germed 5 seeds from different bags this year and 2 were male and the other 3 are doing great and are abut 4 weeks into budding right now and are looking very good. One smells like a fucking skunk, one smells like berries and has purple and orange in the hairs, and one has no smell or any spectacular traits at the moment. This is my first grow and I didnt wanna spend the money on seeds just to fuck them up. I plan on buying seeds for next season just to take the guess work outta the strain and quality biz.....

I am wanting some info on strains that are fairly easy to grow, good quality, and great yield...any suggestions?

 

[infidel420]

dubs, how does pollinating a female with a male turn it into a hermaphrodite???? a hermy is a plant that has both sexes, not a pollinated female which will produce seeds.

 

[That 5hit]

I was under the impression that STS or CS was used, but no matter, it's the same thing. No matter HOW we force the plant, we are still forcing it.

Again, we are forcing a plant to do something it normally would NOT do. If you were to have NO homosexual tendencies to begin with, yet I force you to to perform fellatio on another guy, are you gay from that point on? I know it's a loose comparison, but you get the idea.
This seems to be the point that everyone seems to have trouble with. Hermaphrodite plants will produce and display both sex organs regardless of environmental factors.

It's just my opinion.....I COULD be wrong! It's been known to happen now and then.

So.....You read the gay thing and immediately you think it's a reference to YOU? Are you THAT insecure about your sexuality you gotta attack others? It was an analogy dumbass!

You are one homophobic idiot. next time you have a thought....let it go.

So..... when it comes to thinking up an analogy the first thing that comes to your mind is..... cock in mouth!!! WOW

and just so you know just because you are a Hermaphrodite does not make you homosexual or have homosexual tendencies

 

[Jester88]

if you gave another guy head yes you are gay
bottom line even if you never do it again
if you look at another guy and think to yourself i'd sure like to deep thort him you are gay
if you use gay scenairo's
you are gay

sir you are gay

dude you wrote the gayest post yhough, so you lose. in writing that sentance you committed all the crimes lol.

anyhoo
so if you raped a man does that make him gay?..
sorry you seem to be the wise old master is all. lmfao

peace out
j88

 

[That 5hit]

dude you wrote the gayest post yhough, so you lose. in writing that sentance you committed all the crimes lol.

anyhoo
so if you raped a man does that make him gay?..
sorry you seem to be the wise old master is all. lmfao

peace out
j88

well,,,, i guess im gay
(damn... what a hell of a way to find out)
you think my wife a kids will be ok with it, i sure hope that they are open minded

this is not a bong in my mouth

 

[RIStoner]

I've grown bagseed for 4 years, always put 5 in the ground and never once came across a hermie. Males yes. I've never stepped it up to femenized seeds or went for the high end stuff cause frankly, I'm not that serious about it, I only grow for myself. A bagseed I can give less attention (good in my case, I'm never around until weekends) and get great results. Sure it's not gonna be one hit shit, but it's seedless, it tastes great, and a few pokes gets me where I need to go, for FREE. A lot of what you grow can be good or bad, it's in the genetics and what you do during your grow to make it what it is. Never had a headache, never harsh, and looks just as good as stuff that peeps post on here of high end shit. Grow it properly, dry and cure it properly, and you will have good weed.

 

[That 5hit]

I've grown bagseed for 4 years, always put 5 in the ground and never once came across a hermie. Males yes. I've never stepped it up to femenized seeds or went for the high end stuff cause frankly, I'm not that serious about it, I only grow for myself. A bagseed I can give less attention (good in my case, I'm never around until weekends) and get great results. Sure it's not gonna be one hit shit, but it's seedless, it tastes great, and a few pokes gets me where I need to go, for FREE. A lot of what you grow can be good or bad, it's in the genetics and what you do during your grow to make it what it is. Never had a headache, never harsh, and looks just as good as stuff that peeps post on here of high end shit. Grow it properly, dry and cure it properly, and you will have good weed.

all i can say is mega +rep to this guy
this is all i been saying

 

[RIStoner]

Thanks bro, I try to speak the truth.

 

[Jester88]

well,,,, i guess im gay
(damn... what a hell of a way to find out)
you think my wife a kids will be ok with it, i sure hope that they are open minded

this is not a bong in my mouth

lmfao

that was cool rep worthy id say. you delt with that better than i woulda (i hate s,art asses even though i am one lol.) well done.

heres watcha gonna have ta do bro
just sit her and te kids down like your gonna have a nice family chat..



then when they're all there go you just say to em all at once (BAM)
honey kids this is franK (or whatever) hes going to be your new dad. ya neva know maybe ya girls a freqak and it will all soek out in the end lol.

lmfao
hows that