temp, temp and temp

[Unknown Strain]

hi guys 1st time on here

im attempting my 1st grow and need some advice on temp, i have read that ideal room temp should be between 75-85F.
i got a 400w hps and have started doin tests to see if temp is ok, i have 3 mercury thermometers.
#1 at 15" below light (i "think" this is ideal plant height)
#2 on wall above the light
#3 on the floor 46" below light.

temps are:

#1 = 90F
#2 = 77F
#3 = 85F

are these right? if not what numbers shud i be aiming for?

 

[bigbudmike]

Are you adding CO2? I was told that the Temp, Light and nutes should all be a little higher than normal when using CO2. Temp is important but the plants can be very forgiving depending on the strain. Try out what you got and see how it works. Maybe your plants will like it that way. It can get upwards of 90 in my flowering room before I vent it and my plants are thriving. Im also adding CO2 through the process of fermentation. Good Luck.

 

[monkeyinthemist]

those numers look good i would still add co2 though.

 

[sweetgod420]

in my experience and marijuana.com's user advice i believe the best temps are 70-85. places no heat stress at all , and the plants love it !!!

my veg cabs 72F 61 RH , constantly with the doors closed

 

[Illegal Smile]

90 is too hot for the air the plants are in. You need to vent heat out or bring more AC in. co2 is not needed in normal households and adding extra to supposedly overcome the effects of high heat is a gamble and probably harder than just getting the temps down.

 

[Roseman]

Temperatures, Humidity
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The temperature is the hardest factor to take control of to me. When confined to a small space, ballasts and lights can push temperatures sky-high in no time flat. That is why I use CFLS, to avoid venting heat. This is especially true during hot summer months when outside temperature reaches its highest. Nighttime (LIGHTS OFF period) temperature can be just as difficult to regulate during cold winter month. Most gardeners are aware that temperature in the grow room plays a major role and can greatly affect the growth of plants and the quality of the finished crop. Most gardeners do not know how controlling the temperature of their garden in very specific ways they can achieve a superior crop. Drift to far from these ideal temperatures and watch your plants and crop suffer.
Before getting started it is highly recommended that every indoor garden has a max/min thermometer. (Digital $4.95 at Walmart)

This product allows the gardener to see exactly the fluctuations in temperature within their garden. Without this useful tool there is no accurate way of knowing the different temperatures between daytime (lights on) and nighttime (lights off). The difference between the two temperatures is very important to plant growth. Anymore than a 10F-15F difference between daytime and nighttime temperatures and you risk shocking and stressing the plants. You want a 10 degree difference between LIGHTS ON and LIGHTS OFF temps. In general the optimal daytime temperature for plant growth is between 70F -75F. Drift to far above this range or too far below and growth can be severely affected. Daytime temperatures exceeding 90F or under 62F and plant growth will be slowed and stunted. Plants do thrive in afganastan's 110 degrees, but they quit growing at that temp. If the temperature drifts higher than 95F the plant’s enzyme production will drop off and the plant will begin shutting down. At temperatures above 92 - 94, high photosynthesis shuts down due to the stomata in the leaves closing down to conserve water. At normal temperatures the stomata will be open, taking in CO2 and sweating water to keep the plant cool and allowing for transpiration.
Ideal temperature varies depending on whether or not CO2 is being introduced to the environment. A more suitable daytime temperature when the air is being enriched with CO2 is 80F-85F. This temperature range promotes the exchange of gases between the plants and the environment. Also, it can speed up the process of photosynthesis. Plant in an environment at 86F can perform carbon extraction from CO2 twice as fast as at 68F. It is still recommended that the nighttime temperature drop no more than 15f from that of the daytime temperature. There is another relationship between temperature and the absorbsion of gases by plants that many hobbyist growers are aware of. That is the relationship between the temperature of the water in your reservoir and the amount of oxygen the water can hold. The best range that your reservoir can be between is 60F-75F. Ideally the reservoir temperature should be at 65F because this level contains the most oxygen. Also this temperature will help control transpiration (the act of drawing up nutrients by evaporating water through out the leaves), and humidity levels. Buying a simple aquarium floating thermometer will allow you to know where you fit in this range.

$2 to $4 at Walmart, Target,
PetSmart Aquarium Dept





Another great reason for regulating the temperature in your grow room is that biological processes can be speed up exponentially by every degree. This is true for your plants as well as the potential pests that may invade your grow room.
Pests such as spider mites can reproduce up to 10 times faster with every degree the temperature rises.
These pests can destroy a garden in no time flat, you really do not want to make it any easier for them. Spider Mite Eggs and webs can screw up the buds so bad, they can nto be smoked. With a daytime temperature at a steady 72F and nighttime temperature of 65F it is much easier to control and destroy spider mite, thrip, and many other pest populations.
The same principal can be applied to the prevention and control of fungi, molds, mildews, and bacteria, which can spread more rapidly when temperatures in the grow room or reservoir exceed 90F. Also, the warmer the air, the more water it can retain which means humidity levels can easily go beyond the recommended 40-50% for Vegging. (you want high humidity for VEG, and low humidity for Flowering.) This high humidity coupled with lower nighttime temperatures can cause condensation to form on leaves. This will invite molds, mildews, fungi, and bacteria to take over you grow space. With high temperatures the likely-hood of losing control of the problem, such as powdery mildew, is very high. Once control is lost your plants may be the next to go.

Temperature is also very important when it comes to starting seeds and getting cuttings to root. Placing seedling trays on a heating mat will reduce germination time dramatically. Speeding up germination time usually leads to stronger and healthier plants. Also, less time spent between crop cycles makes a garden efficient. More harvests provided in less time can equal big bucks in the pockets of professional growers.
The ideal temperature for sprouting or cloning is 80F. Any higher and you risk burning the roots. Also, many seeds simply will not germinate at temperatures over 90F. The seeds will become dormant and never sprout.
The same principal used for seeds is used on cuttings to coax roots out quicker. The sooner cuttings can establish roots the better. If roots can be forced quickly they will grow strong and stay strong. A bottom temperature of 80F-85F, roughly 10F warmer than the air, will speed up rooting time and help to jump start those roots once they do begin. Let the temperature get too high or too low and roots growth will be hindered or they will never grow at all. Using the proper technique and the proper temperature for bottom heat not only can rooting time be speed up from 2 weeks to as little as 3 days, but the survival rate of your cuttings will drastically improve.

On the topic of roots, there is an ideal temperature for the root zone after the plants’ roots have been established. Roots are working 24 hours a day and constant attention is required concerning temperature in and around the root zone. The ideal temp for this root zone is generally 65 to 75 degrees F. At this temperature the ion exchange between the roots and the environment around them is at its absolute best. This means that the plant’s root system can take up more macro nutrients, more micro nutrients, and more oxygen at this temperature than at any other level. This makes a plant more efficient and a plant working efficiently will provide a superior yield.

Amazingly, some growers grow successfully with no themometer for the air or water. But for maximum efficiency, you got to take control of temps.

HUMIDITY? that is more simple to me. Get the Humidity VERY high for VEGGING, and very low for FLOWERING.

in Vegging, I mist them daily. I do raise the lights up, to be careful with my bulbs getting wet and breaking. And when it rains outside, it also gets cloudy and the sun's rays are blocked. Plants in outdoors, in nature do get an ocasional rain shower or thunderstorm. Do you let it rain on yours? I do, but artificially by MISTING.
AND, I bought a cheap humidifier.

Cheap Cool Mist Humidifiers from Walmart:

$26.00



Ultrasonic Humidifier With Light


$28.97



Graco, Cool Mist Humidifier, 1.5 Gallon $29.96




During Flowering, we need a low humidity, especially to avoid Bud mold and bud rot.

 

[Roseman]

To get the temp down and the humidity up, try these:

You need a fan pulling heat out and a fan pulling cool air in.
You have to have an oscilating fan on the plants.
Lay wet rolled up like a cigar wash rags everywhere.
Hang a soaking wet bath towel on a cloths hanger and let it drip into a pan or bucket.
Put a frozen milk jug of water in front of a fan or let it drip into something by putting a pin hole in it.
Get a bucket, put ice in it or frozen water and blow a fan into the bucket, blowing cool air everywhere. And you can put Pine Sol or ONA in the bucket for Odor Control.



Put saucers and cups of water everywhere.
Mist the plants with plain pH water.
Put Frozen cups of water on the lids and everywhere around the plants.

 

[bigbudmike]

90 is too hot for the air the plants are in. You need to vent heat out or bring more AC in. co2 is not needed in normal households and adding extra to supposedly overcome the effects of high heat is a gamble and probably harder than just getting the temps down.

Well I could be wrong. I was reading Maximum yield and there was an article saying that when you add co2 the plants prefer more heat and more light. Im not adding co2 to overcome the heat im adding heat because of the co2. I will listen to the advice of the pros on here for this is my first grow. I did a lot of reading prior to starting and didnt find this site until I had already started.

 

[Illegal Smile]

If you aren't adding co2 to overcome heat why are you adding it? In any normal residence co2 levels are fine. The co2 level in your house is equal to or probably greater than outside, and things grow well outside.

 

[bigbudmike]

If you aren't adding co2 to overcome heat why are you adding it? In any normal residence co2 levels are fine. The co2 level in your house is equal to or probably greater than outside, and things grow well outside.

Well just a rookie mistake. Every thing I read says that regular ppm of co2 in the air is like 350 and the ideal level of co2 to produce the best yield is over 1000. Im sure my fermentation isnt producing anywhere near that but I thought every little extra bit helps. Am I wrong for adding co2?

 

[Unknown Strain]

thanks to everyone for your advice, Roseman your post is helpfull indeed.
i have an extractor fan and ducting but the growspace isnt completed yet, i was jst testing temp. i will get the space completed and do another test.
what if i move the light across tops of the plants so they are not sitting burning the tops, will this help?
as for CO2 it never crossed my mind but if my temp is high when the space is completed i will go down that route.

thanks again guys, very helpfull forum