Elite Gentics...

[bicycle racer]

im finishing up a fem cross of clone only banana kush to pre 98 bubba kush that i made last year. banana kush is good great bag appeal lots of visible trichs and good yield. longer flower time normally 10 weeks for me.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

im finishing up a fem cross of clone only banana kush to pre 98 bubba kush that i made last year. banana kush is good great bag appeal lots of visible trichs and good yield. longer flower time normally 10 weeks for me.

i wonder if it looks like my double dipped sour banana pheno that i picked as one of my mothers.. i also threw some pollen in my closet and i've got 24 seeds of Double dipped sour banana x Super strawberry diesel. could u explain f2's and so on. i also cant find whether kush/diesel is sativa/indica .. im breeding personally for a good indica smoke, and since i dont want to order seeds i used what i had.

 

[bicycle racer]

this is a quick basic explanation but basically when you cross 2 very different strains you get f-1's which when grown share equal traits from either parent so a 50/50 mix of features. when you cross the f1s you get f2s which have a number of phenos some more like one parent or the other and some equal combos like the f-1s. basically with f1s you get more or less uniform plants with f2s you get quite a few depending on genetics you can then slowly through generation breed for the traits you want. this takes generations and time but eventually you can capitalize on the exact traits you want its a bit more complicated than this but thats a simple explanation.

 

[snail240]

Im sorry but I laughed so hard core when people called swerve a rat....... One of the good guys and people bash him? Dont understand this site sometimes witch is why I havent posted a grow or anything on here. Get bashed by alot of nobodys about how it should be done and get called names when you dont do it like they do it when they dont even do anything but nit pick everyone elses posts and threads.

This thread went from elite got busted to swerve is a rat to everyone wanting elites shit untested genetics because he got busted and they think they cant find the strains anymore. Those where not elites strains he got clones and hit them with the same father and gave them cool names so pot smokers would buy them. His father prolly sucked witch is why all the hermies in every god damn strain he would sell. you can pay half the price for PROVEN genetics or the same price for 20x proven genetics.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

i aint get hermies.

 

[snail240]

i aint get hermies.

Alot of other people have with almost every strain and he deleted posts of people complaining that says it all right there.

Other then handling the problem he deleted the posts. Dude was selling UNPROVEN genetics for the same price as PROVEN genetics and not just any proven genetics,proven genetics that have been around for decades.

People like serious seeds, DNA, Mr.nice and the list goes on. He came out o the closet selling unproven shit for the same price as people who worked half their life to create those strains.

You can make seeds just as good as elite. The reason the big breaders dont have these strains out YET is because it takes years to prove the genetic diversity and have seeds WORTH that price.

Sorry but real breeders are offended buy people that breed in a closet with a few clones pulled from cali and sell them at the same price as somthing that took DECADES to create so yeah he was and is a hack.

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Alot of other people have with almost every strain and he deleted posts of people complaining that says it all right there.

Other then handling the problem he deleted the posts. Dude was selling UNPROVEN genetics for the same price as PROVEN genetics and not just any proven genetics,proven genetics that have been around for decades.

People like serious seeds, DNA, Mr.nice and the list goes on. He came out o the closet selling unproven shit for the same price as people who worked half their life to create those strains.

You can make seeds just as good as elite. The reason the big breaders dont have these strains out YET is because it takes years to prove the genetic diversity and have seeds WORTH that price.

Sorry but real breeders are offended buy people that breed in a closet with a few clones pulled from cali and sell them at the same price as somthing that took DECADES to create so yeah he was and is a hack.

Your right that these are unproven genetics, and they are very unstable as well. but the parentage of his genetics are proven and worth the money. As far as the unstableness, its cool for me because it gives people like me a choice for mother plants with different features. i grew out 7 Double dipped sour bananas and got 7 phenos, all varying in smell/taste/growtth.. i was cool with that. yea he's a hack/pollen chucker. but his genetics were good regardless of all that. not stable but good.

 

[Relaxed]

I have no problem with someone starting in the industry of seeds. i hope start ups like Elite push the big breeders to bring more exciting strains to the market. I roll my eyes every time I hear of a clone only strain in cali. Specially for the hottest strains unavailable to most of the world. I am sure hermies could be in the picture until stable and that may be part of the deal? I'd buy one pack of hot seeds like Elite and another from a stable seasoned grower.

Any news to Elite and his problems? Curious?

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

I have no problem with someone starting in the industry of seeds. i hope start ups like Elite push the big breeders to bring more exciting strains to the market. I roll my eyes every time I hear of a clone only strain in cali. Specially for the hottest strains unavailable to most of the world. I am sure hermies could be in the picture until stable and that may be part of the deal? I'd buy one pack of hot seeds like Elite and another from a stable seasoned grower.

Any news to Elite and his problems? Curious?

i have no problems with it either. people need to play with these new genetics to unlock new things and even cross with old genetics. as far as genetic hermies some of the most popular stable strains by reputable breeders are hermaphroditic i.e. blueberry. these new genetics offer things the old burnt out genetics dont, like certain taste and smells. things can only get better

 

[growone]

if you want to get some different choices and are willing to take a chance, go over to seedbay
you see plenty of pollen chuckers there, but they are seen as pollen chuckers and don't get the premium price that elite was able to get

 

[triconomics]

Alot of other people have with almost every strain and he deleted posts of people complaining that says it all right there.

Other then handling the problem he deleted the posts. Dude was selling UNPROVEN genetics for the same price as PROVEN genetics and not just any proven genetics,proven genetics that have been around for decades.

People like serious seeds, DNA, Mr.nice and the list goes on. He came out o the closet selling unproven shit for the same price as people who worked half their life to create those strains.

You can make seeds just as good as elite. The reason the big breaders dont have these strains out YET is because it takes years to prove the genetic diversity and have seeds WORTH that price.

Sorry but real breeders are offended buy people that breed in a closet with a few clones pulled from cali and sell them at the same price as somthing that took DECADES to create so yeah he was and is a hack.

Where does this evidence come from?

Closet hacks?

You don't need much space to be an efficient lab tech to run a garden that will produce some of the best bred crosses in a short time using two of these breeders strains to make a new line using the two for relatively cheap. You just let out those who buy them to do the finding themselves for what they like. A much better entertainment no? I was thinking of doing it $1 per seed for random crosses. That is the way to start with seed that is cheap and local instead of testing the office post route. Hey it keeps me growing and I keep supplying my clients. It is a mutual co-op. Not even to mention the oil that I have stored to sell to potential bio-diesel clients in the future!

I am also going to spearhead a start-up company to collect indoor and outdoor marijuana stems for fiber to process and sell to distributors at wholesale!

 

[TrynaGroSumShyt]

Where does this evidence come from?

Closet hacks?

You don't need much space to be an efficient lab tech to run a garden that will produce some of the best bred crosses in a short time using two of these breeders strains to make a new line using the two for relatively cheap. You just let out those who buy them to do the finding themselves for what they like. A much better entertainment no? I was thinking of doing it $1 per seed for random crosses. That is the way to start with seed that is cheap and local instead of testing the office post route. Hey it keeps me growing and I keep supplying my clients. It is a mutual co-op. Not even to mention the oil that I have stored to sell to potential bio-diesel clients in the future!

I am also going to spearhead a start-up company to collect indoor and outdoor marijuana stems for fiber to process and sell to distributors at wholesale!

+rep .. i have these thoughts .. alot

 

[snail240]

Where does this evidence come from?

Closet hacks?

You don't need much space to be an efficient lab tech to run a garden that will produce some of the best bred crosses in a short time using two of these breeders strains to make a new line using the two for relatively cheap. You just let out those who buy them to do the finding themselves for what they like. A much better entertainment no? I was thinking of doing it $1 per seed for random crosses. That is the way to start with seed that is cheap and local instead of testing the office post route. Hey it keeps me growing and I keep supplying my clients. It is a mutual co-op. Not even to mention the oil that I have stored to sell to potential bio-diesel clients in the future!

I am also going to spearhead a start-up company to collect indoor and outdoor marijuana stems for fiber to process and sell to distributors at wholesale!

Prople like you no nothing about GENETICS period yet you talk like he was the shit.

The reason you grew out his seeds and every god damn plant was different was because he didnt breed. He did NO seceltive breeding NONE and the proof was in the beans.

Matter-O-Fact breeders that ADMIT to do what HE did sell they beans at $35 or around that ball park. And another reason is alot of REAL breeders knew the clones he was working with where unstable they have been proven unstable for years. Thats why they are clone only strains it because generations after it gets weaker its not worth fucking with because I dont have the original father so I cant breed it out.

So come back when you grow out some elite genetics and get 3 phenos out of 40 beans witch is what you should get for $100+ a pack. YOU SHOULD GET WHATS ON THE FUCKING PACK NOT 40 DIFFERENT FUCKING PLANTS.

 

[bicycle racer]

you clearly dont understand things as much as you think but rant away. i have grown many "stable strains" and many newer better mixed pheno strains from elite genetics/cali connection/og raskal my own creations etc... the truth is these mixed pheno crosses or a few generation backcrosses kick the crap out of old badly inbred "stable" strains which you speak of. heard of hybrid vigor lol. it seems some read but dont grow too many strains or cannot gain acess to them so they convince themselves that old outdated euro seedbank "stable genetics" seeds are superior which put simply is just wrong. there are more growers and breeding going on in cali than any where else in the world right now and some of the best are here thats the truth. so what miracle stable strains do you speak of care to share?

 

[HowardWCampbell]

you clearly dont understand things as much as you think but rant away. i have grown many "stable strains" and many newer better mixed pheno strains from elite genetics/cali connection/og raskal my own creations etc... the truth is these mixed pheno crosses or a few generation backcrosses kick the crap out of old badly inbred "stable" strains which you speak of. heard of hybrid vigor lol. it seems some read but dont grow too many strains or cannot gain acess to them so they convince themselves that old outdated euro seedbank "stable genetics" seeds are superior which put simply is just wrong. there are more growers and breeding going on in cali than any where else in the world right now and some of the best are here thats the truth. so what miracle stable strains do you speak of care to share?

Just a slightly off topic question I've been wanting to ask for a while.

How does serious seeds gear hold up compared to ograskal or some of the better cali breeders?

 

[Mr.Therapy Man]

Ive heard of bad beans comeing from Simon lately.Then again it could be the growers

 

[HowardWCampbell]

Ive heard of bad beans comeing from Simon lately.Then again it could be the growers

Don't tell me that! I just bought 3 kali mist seeds after having had wet dreams about it for the past year.

Where have you heard that?

 

[RichED]

no bad beans from simon i got two 11 packs no problem one from the tude other pack fom seed boutique busted two beans from each no prob

 

[bicycle racer]

serious seeds is one of the better seedbanks not too many offerings though.

 

[HowardWCampbell]

serious seeds is one of the better seedbanks not too many offerings though.

In terms of pure potency, can serious wr or ak buds compete with the current "hot" strains in cali? Are buds from serious strains popular out there?

I'm using serious as an example of euro genetics because they seem to be pretty well regarded by most. I have heard so much about how all of the best strains are in cali right now. I'd like to hear from someone who has tried both as to how they compare in terms of potency.

Any input at all is appreciated.