Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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NoDrama

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The conspiracy would have to involve thousands of people. It's quite impossible.
Nothing is impossible when it comes to media mind control of the weak sheeple, sure it may have taken quite a few people to pull this off, but what if the majority of them came from another country and were only following orders and went back to their own country and no one would believe them even if they said they did it, and certainly no one from the USA would hear about it even if they did slip up and expose themselves. That would only leave a few key people in the US gov't and Military who would have to be in charge to accomplish this. I can't tell anyone HOW exactly the buildings were demo'd, I did not do the deed, any part of my opinion is pure speculation, just as their theories are also.
 

NoDrama

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NoDrama

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You know what, I'm going to go with a magazine which prides itself on being fairly objective, and fairly scientific in their approach of things.

That's right. I'll go with Popular Mechanics who just issued a complete special report on their findings.

Here's the link. Where saner heads reside.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

[SIZE=+4]Popular Mechanics' Assault on 9/11 Truth [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2] by Jim Hoffman [/SIZE]

The eye-catching headline on the issue's cover is "9/11 LIES", with "DEBUNKING" and "Conspiracy Theorists" being much smaller. Is this a subconscious appeal to peoples' suspicions that the official story is a lie? The Hearst-owned Popular Mechanics (PM) targeted the 9/11 Truth Movement (without ever acknowledging it by that name) with a cover story in its March 2005 edition. [1] Sandwiched between ads and features for monster trucks, NASCAR paraphernalia, and off-road racing are twelve dense and brilliantly designed pages purporting to debunk the myths of 9/11, which it proclaims can't stand up to the hard facts.

The article's approach is to identify and attack a series of claims which it asserts represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism. In each case PM describes a conspiracy theorist claim in a paragraph labeled CLAIM and follows it with several paragraphs of debunking labeled FACT. In this critique we examine each of PM's claims in three parts: PM'S PURPORTED CLAIM:, which excerpts the key elements of PM's CLAIM paragraph; PM'S COUNTER CLAIM, which summarizes PM's debunking of that claim; and OUR REBUTTAL, which provides our analysis of PM's argument.

PM gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account of the flights, the World Trade Center attack, and the Pentagon attack. Thus it purports to debunk conspiracy theorists' physical-evidence based claims, without even acknowledging that there are other grounds on which to question the official story. Indeed many 9/11 researchers don't even address the physical evidence, preferring instead to focus on who had the the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack. Some of this evidence is summarized at the end of this critique. While ignoring these and many other facts belying the official story, PM attacks a mere 16 claims of its choosing, which it asserts are the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. PM groups these claims into four topics, each of which is given a richly-illustrated two- or four-page spread. Since nearly all the physical-evidence-based challenges to the official story fall within one or another of these topics, the article gives the impression that it addresses the breadth of these challenges. However, for each topic, the article presents specious claims to divert the reader from understanding the issue. For example, the topic devoted to attacking the Twin Towers' demolition presents three red-herring claims and carefully avoids the most compelling arguments that we (so-called conspiracy theorists) advance to prove that the towers collapsed due to controlled demolitions. [2]

The article brackets its distortion of the issues highlighted by 9/11 skeptics with smears against the skeptics themselves, whom it dehumanizes and accuses of disgracing the memories of the victims, and repeatedly accuses of harassing individuals who responded to the attack. More importantly, it misrepresents skeptics' views by implying that the skeptics' community is an undifferentiated army that wholly embraces the article's sixteen poisonous claims, which it asserts are at the root of virtually every 9/11 alternative scenario . In fact, much of the 9/11 truth community has been working to expose many of these claims as disinformation (or straw men).

(WHAT IS A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT?) According to Wikipedia, a free on-line encyclopedia, in the rhetorical context, straw man describes a point of view or creates a bogus claim that can be easily defeated in an argument. The straw man technique does not debate the facts head on, but rather detours around them in order to make the opposing view unbelievable.

The Popular Mechanics article repeatedly uses the straw man technique by setting up, then disproving, false claims which it asserts are accepted by most or all 9/11 skeptics. In doing so, PM conceals the painstaking work of the 9/11 Truth Movement, replacing it with a lurid caricature.

The article is perhaps the best example of how the straw man technique has been used to target the 9/11 Truth Movement, but the strategy is not new. We believe that some "researchers" have (wittingly or unwittingly) set up certain claims that are easily knocked down by our critics.

For example, the idea that holograms, not airplanes, were used to attack the World Trade Center towers, is clearly a bogus claim that 99.9% of all people would call absurd, preposterous and/or outrageous, thereby, turning off the inquisitive neophyte truth seeker from further investigation into what really happened. Persons who surreptitiously set up dummy targets, which can then be knocked down, are guilty of using this straw man tactic. The increasing use of this technique in attacking the 911 Truth Movement is, we believe, an indication of our success in assembling a compelling and meticulously documented case disproving the Official Story. The Popular Mechanics article is a case study in how this deceptive technique is used.


read all about the debunking here :http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html
 
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Keenly

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Since you failed to answer the question I'll post it again.

Since you know so much about imploding a building why don't you explain in detail what would be involved in imploding the wtc and how this was able to occur without anyone noticing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is it so difficult for you to answer this one simple question? Because you know damn well your ass is in checkmate, that's why.

Game over - I win. Oh, but thank you so much for playing.


this post is childish at best


almost 3,000 americans died and all you care about is "winning"?



your in this thread just to try and make yourself look cool, and its pretty sad




and, in drama's defense, why answer a question which is not relevant to the topic at hand at all?

you dont win, unless you count winning at losing as winning
 

fdd2blk

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this post is childish at best


almost 3,000 americans died and all you care about is "winning"?



your in this thread just to try and make yourself look cool, and its pretty sad




and, in drama's defense, why answer a question which is not relevant to the topic at hand at all?

you dont win, unless you count winning at losing as winning

um dude, the topic is about the building falling. his question is perfectly legit. you say it was an inside job but you can't explain how. wow. :shock:

and suddenly you care about the people. :roll:



i'm just sitting back watching you all embarrass yourselves now. :mrgreen: bongsmilie



just say "i have no answer".
 
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Keenly

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it's not relevant. bongsmilie
there is quite a lot in the last 6 or so pages that arent relevant


and man, we have answered that question


every time you ask us how it went down we give you the same answer




an actual investigation that is not set up to fail, and they must testify under oath with severe penalties for perjury


how is any one of us supposed to know 100% exactly how it all went down without a real investigation
 

doobnVA

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Nothing is impossible when it comes to media mind control of the weak sheeple, sure it may have taken quite a few people to pull this off, but what if the majority of them came from another country and were only following orders and went back to their own country and no one would believe them even if they said they did it, and certainly no one from the USA would hear about it even if they did slip up and expose themselves. That would only leave a few key people in the US gov't and Military who would have to be in charge to accomplish this. I can't tell anyone HOW exactly the buildings were demo'd, I did not do the deed, any part of my opinion is pure speculation, just as their theories are also.
Bingo. IF the 9/11 attacks were an inside job (and I'm not saying they were, just speculating) then it wouldn't have been that difficult to keep secret at all using foreign workers who don't speak English and wouldn't have access to the news media (to be made aware of the attacks). Give them some rolls of cable and tell them they're upgrading the internet service. How are they going to know the difference? When they're done, ship them back to their country or simply get rid of them so they'll never spill the beans.

It's not that far-fetched a scenario. Does it really seem that unlikely that Americans would kill other Americans? I mean, it happens every day.
 

fdd2blk

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Bingo. IF the 9/11 attacks were an inside job (and I'm not saying they were, just speculating) then it wouldn't have been that difficult to keep secret at all using foreign workers who don't speak English and wouldn't have access to the news media (to be made aware of the attacks). Give them some rolls of cable and tell them they're upgrading the internet service. How are they going to know the difference? When they're done, ship them back to their country or simply get rid of them so they'll never spill the beans.

It's not that far-fetched a scenario. Does it really seem that unlikely that Americans would kill other Americans? I mean, it happens every day.


why not just hire a bunch of the best workers then kill them all when the job is done?



i thought 1000 badass techs came in and did it all while we were sleeping.
 

RickWhite

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Nothing is impossible when it comes to media mind control of the weak sheeple, sure it may have taken quite a few people to pull this off, but what if the majority of them came from another country and were only following orders and went back to their own country and no one would believe them even if they said they did it, and certainly no one from the USA would hear about it even if they did slip up and expose themselves. That would only leave a few key people in the US gov't and Military who would have to be in charge to accomplish this. I can't tell anyone HOW exactly the buildings were demo'd, I did not do the deed, any part of my opinion is pure speculation, just as their theories are also.
You can't explain how they were able to implode the WTC in a controlled demolition because its impossible to do.

The WTC has a huge security team with all the high tech goodies. The controlled demolition theory makes as much sense as a man going to sleep only to wake up the next day and find that someone has stolen his entire house while he was sleeping. The claim is absurd on its face. Why this is not obvious to you is a question for a shrink.
 

fdd2blk

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Nothing is impossible when it comes to media mind control of the weak sheeple, sure it may have taken quite a few people to pull this off, but what if the majority of them came from another country and were only following orders and went back to their own country and no one would believe them even if they said they did it, and certainly no one from the USA would hear about it even if they did slip up and expose themselves. That would only leave a few key people in the US gov't and Military who would have to be in charge to accomplish this. I can't tell anyone HOW exactly the buildings were demo'd, I did not do the deed, any part of my opinion is pure speculation, just as their theories are also.

secret foreign workers. you aren't serious are you? :neutral:

why not just call Al Qaeda? lol :dunce:
 

RickWhite

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secret foreign workers. you aren't serious are you? :neutral:

why not just call Al Qaeda? lol :dunce:
No man! They were super ninja demolition experts wearing cloaks of invisibility. That's why the dozens of security guards that are there 24/7 and hundreds of cameras couldn't see them hauling in truck loads of explosives.

What, you don't believe in invisible super ninja demolition experts. They advertise in the Yellow Pages.
 

CrackerJax

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9/11 truthers feel they haven't control over their lives. Thier world views are colored by this core problem.

Most ppl do not feel that way, and is why the 9/11 conspiracy continues to fail to gain any traction with the public.

9/11 conspiracy is an symptom of the believers deeper malady. One not easily rectified. In a sense, this is all they have to hang on to.
 

wyteboi

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You guys ONLY have 2 arguments to this whole entire thread.
#1 "it would have took too many man hours and somebody would have to have noticed"
why? why would someone have to notice ? As it been stated several times there was work going on in the elevator shafts in the weeks leading all the way up to 911. I dont know for sure how it was demolished , but it was. For you to say it is IMPOSSIBLE for something like that to go un-noticed, is pure ignorance. there is not too many things in this world that are impossible!

#2 we all "need help" for thinking this way...... everyone who questions that piece of shit they call a report "needs help"??
I do need help for my cigg problem , but i also need a "shrink" because i question a commission that questions themselves?

I CARE ABOUT ALL THEM FOLKS THAT DIED , THATS WHY THE FUCK I READ/POST ON THIS THREAD.

LETS JUST MAKE SURE THE "CARING PART" IS LOUD AND CLEAR!

IF YOU DONT WANT A REAL INVESTIGATION THEN YOU DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THAT DAY SO WHY KEEP BLABBING??????






 

wyteboi

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um dude, the topic is about the building falling. his question is perfectly legit. you say it was an inside job but you can't explain how. wow. :shock:

and suddenly you care about the people. :roll:



i'm just sitting back watching you all embarrass yourselves now. :mrgreen: bongsmilie



just say "i have no answer".
and you KNOW this is BLABBING!
 

CrackerJax

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Yes, it's all about caring today. We let our trust slip away, but not our caring.

Caring through governmental means always leads to calamity.

Meanwhile caring about the real "truth" of 9/11 only makes us weaker and encourages our enemy, who actually carried out the attack. They perceive us as feeble minded and divided. This "compassion" in the end gets more innocents killed.

How bout using some good ol' common sense. Chalk one up for Al Queda (whom the 9/11 conspiracy theory pretty much absolves of responsibility).

In the end, the conspiracy of 9/11 demeans our enemies and assumes they just aren't smart enough to pull it off on their own. They needed the help of the US govt.

It's ludicrous and only makes ppl seem silly and out of touch.
 
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