Enough CFL Light?

Th3p3st24

Active Member
I'm currently using 2 4ft t8 bulbs that produce 2200 lumens at light surface, I'm also using 14 23watt cfl producing 1600 lumens a piece.

I recently got my light meter in the mail and noticed that even with all these lights surrounding just ONE plant that I'm recieving the recommended 10,000 lumens/sq ft.

Im currently just doing a trial and error grow as my seeds i ordered will be in any day now. I intend on growing 4-6 plants once they come in.

I'm also adding 4 more 65watt cfl's to my lighting equipment which will give me another 13,800 lumens.

My room is a 2ft/3ft/5ft tent, my question is do you think this will be suffecient lighting to reach close to 10,000 lumens per sq ft?

Also I'll have 2 spare 65watt cfl 2700k's or 2 spare 65watt cfl 6500k's depending on the cycle I'm in, Should I just throw them in there anyway even if it messes with my 3:1 ratio of blue to orange for veg or orange to blue for flower?
 
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chitownsmoking

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you you got enough light just keep the floro real close to the plants man. dont try and grow giants eaither
 

Th3p3st24

Active Member
well you see thats kind of a problem due to the area surface of my bubbleponic system that its extremely difficult for me to spread the light evenly, I already know they wont be giants. I'm on week 9 of flowering of my first grow and realize the capability of CFL's. But this next go round I'm increasing the amount of plants and trying to increase my light potency as some of my plants from my first grow are way shorter than others.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
This is 4 65s, 4 85s, and 8 42s, equal 2700 k and 6500k bulbs. Worked good for me.

how sweet it is!
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tallest is 46 inches tall, N/L.
Vegged 5 weeks, Bloomed 9 weeks.









Read pages 7 and 8 for a complete guide to CFLS:
L I G H T S Page 7
shows how much, how to calculate, Dual Spectrums, etc
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I started 6 seeds in each tank, and got three females from each tank. Each tank had a runt, a medium size and a great big one. 6 plants gave me 15 and a half oz of dried heavily manicured buds. BUT one plant gave me 7 ounces, the runts gave me only one oz, the mediums 3 or 4 ounces each.
 

imlovnit24/7

Active Member
whats up all? i've also been asking myself the same thing. my first grow(mini-grow) with bag seed, 2 seedlings in a 2x2x3 box using 3 23W 6500k and 1 23W 2700k. i know this wont be enough for veging but to start is this enough???
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
whats up all? i've also been asking myself the same thing. my first grow(mini-grow) with bag seed, 2 seedlings in a 2x2x3 box using 3 23W 6500k and 1 23W 2700k. i know this wont be enough for veging but to start is this enough???
that is enough to keep it alive and grow, but it is not ample, just verey bare minimum. . You need a couple more 2700k bulbs for Flowering.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
CFLs vs HID Lights

If you want to start an arguement fast, then visit an Internet Grow Forum or Chat Room and mention CFLs vs HID Lights.
Let me just tell you a fact. HID Lights (High Intensity Discharge Lights) are much more efficient than CFLs (Compact Flourscent Lights) and they grow FASTER and penetrate a large plant much better than CFLs do. HID lights grow tighter denser buds too. That is a fact no one should argue. HIDs win easily.
Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT?

HEAT? I can touch a 200 watt CFL for ten seconds and not burn my hand. I can hold a burning 42, 65, or 85 watt bulb in my hand for five seconds and not get burnt. I can touch a HID bulb for half a second and have a serious blister and burn. Touching a HID bulb is like touching the burner on an electric stove. If you use HID bulbs, not only will you have to cool the bulb, you will have to cool the grow area too. Growing with HID lights requires VENTING the HEAT, and that cost extra money.

If you are a large scale grower, or commercial grower, HID lights are best for you.
If you are a small grower, a closet or tent grower, then CFLs are your best, easiest, cheapest way to grow.

As I mentioned, I like the cheaper CFLs because of their mobility and ease of use. When I did my first grow three years ago, a 65 watt CFL was the largest made and sold. Today I see up to 300 watt CFLS, but I do not advise using the larger watt CFL bulbs.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
From Ed Rosenthal:

In the new Skunk Magazine there was a question in the "Ask Ed" section that just made my night last night when reading it...



The question was:

I intend to grow a single cannabis plant in a space 1' x 2'. What light would you recommend? I was think of using four 30-watt compact fluorescent lamps. Will this be enough? Cost isn't an issue but I am deterred from getting a high pressure sodium [light] because of the amount of heat the bulb produces.

Answer:

As you mentioned, you have several lighting systems to choose from, including compact fluorescents and high pressure sodium (HPS) lamps. Among HPS lamps you have a choice between a single 100-watt lamp which uses a total of about 120-watts and emits about 8,800 lumens(73 lumens per watt) or a 150-watt lamp, which uses about 180 watts and emits almost double that-15,800 lumens (87 lumens per watt).

A 42-watt compact fluorescent (CFL) emits about 2700 lumens(64 lumens per watt). Four 42 watt CFLs use 168 watts and emit 10,800 lumens. Other size CFLs have a similar efficiency.

However, that is only part of the story. Plants use mostly red and blue light. Yellow and green light is of little use to them, so light that is emitted in these spectrums is wasted energy. Most of the light emitted by HPS lamps is in the yellow spectrum. Only a small amount of the emitted light is is in the orange or red spectrums, which plants use efficiently. Warm white fluorescents (2700 Kelvin) emit a greater portion in the red and orange sectors.
Although fluorescents produce only about 75% of the light per watt that the HPS does, the amount of light usable by the plant is equal or probably higher with the fluorescents. You may wish to experiment to see if adding a single cool white CFL to replace one warm white results in shorter, stouter stems and more vigorous growth. The reasoning is that warm whites don't emit much blue light, which the plants use for photosynthesis and to regulate their growth. The cool white bulb supplies the blue light.

My call for your unit would be to use several (three to five) CFLs with a total input of between 120-160 watts. Although the 150 watt HPS is a bit more efficient that the CFLs in total output, watt for watt the fluorescents provide as much useful light as the HPS lamp. Heat is another consideration. The HPS runs much hotter and emits more heat than the fluoescents.

Make sure to use reflective material around the garden so that any light escaping the garden is reflected back to the plants. Any light that doesn't get to the plant leaves is wasted.


Look at a lumen/watt ration of various CFL's. The higher the wattage of CFLs, the lower the lumen/watt ratio. This chart was submitted by Jerry Garcia, of RIU and edited for typos.

For example...

the 200w listed at 9250 lumens for a lumens/watt ratio of 9250/200=46.25

the 150w is listed at 7500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 7500/150=50

the 125w is listed at 6500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 6500/125=52

the 42w are listed for 2700 lumens, l/w ratio of 2700/42=64.28

I have some 26w that give off 1700 lumens for a l/w ratio of 1700/26=65.38

GE lists some 13w that give off 825 lumens for a l/w ratio of 825/13=63.46

So, according to these numbers the most efficient bulbs for growing are the 26w that emit 1700 lumens. If you used 8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens...4,350 more lumens than a single 200 watt cfl.

I suppose you need to purchase more sockets and cords and things to support 8 bulbs, but in the long run more lower watt CFLs seem like the way to go.

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imlovnit24/7

Active Member
-Roseman- great advice, bought 5pk CFL 26w 2700K on sale at ace hardware. since adding 2 more 2-3 days ago plants look even better. thanks.

1 more ? i've read some threads on fertilizing. some recommend using SuperThrive(growth hormone) in a mini grow(such as mine) to maximize more outward growth and bigger buds. is this true???
 

jonboy30

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1 more ? i've read some threads on fertilizing. some recommend using SuperThrive(growth hormone) in a mini grow(such as mine) to maximize more outward growth and bigger buds. is this true???
hey...i've used superthrive and i havent really seen any difference when not using it. However, i'm using lots of nutes in combination tho. I suppose if you were to grow a plant without nutes and a plant with superthrive, i guess you'd see a difference...
 

c5rftw

Well-Known Member
yah the plant can use double the amount of red light when it is flowering as compared to when its getting blue light vegging
 
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