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tusseltussel

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hi all i just came up with this a few mins. ago, say you have a room with more width than hight how bout a really cool experiment: kinda like an ebb flow system but fill the tub with clay balls and put a leak proof cover on it than cut 1\2" holes for plants to go in, mount it on the wall feed water in through the top so it runs down, out the bottom, back to a reservoir, light on opposite wall , grow horizontally and maybe some string from the ceiling to hold the plants up as they grow.:hump: WOW maybe im a lil high but it sounds doable :blsmoke:

i have enough head room in my room so it wouldn't make sense for me to do this but what do you all think, will it work for someone with limited space
 

tckfui

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I'm not 100% on this but I think the plants will grow up anyway, they know about gravity somehow, but they will lean twords the light. the sidways hydro system sounds like a pretty cool idea, but dont know if it would work with Ebb and flow, maybe with aero or maybe possibly a DWC maybe... I like the sidways hydro tihng ... but having a pump have to fill up a sidways res seems like too much work, whee with aero you would just need misters misting the roots, so it dosnt need to have much water in it... now we just need someone with enough time... money... plants and space... any volenteers?
 

tusseltussel

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I'm not 100% on this but I think the plants will grow up anyway, they know about gravity somehow, but they will lean twords the light. the sidways hydro system sounds like a pretty cool idea, but dont know if it would work with Ebb and flow, maybe with aero or maybe possibly a DWC maybe... I like the sidways hydro tihng ... but having a pump have to fill up a sidways res seems like too much work, whee with aero you would just need misters misting the roots, so it dosnt need to have much water in it... now we just need someone with enough time... money... plants and space... any volenteers?
areo sounds interesting but i think my 370 gpm pump is rated to pump up to 3' and gracity would make it just fall through and back to the res. i hope sumone tries it. maybe i will sum time i got like 2 months til i could do it caus all i got now but it would make a killer grow journal
 

dankie

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NASA started work on aeroponics to grow plants in zero gravity. That would most likely be your best bet for a sideways grow. You would still need to tie the plants horizontally or they will just try to grow up.
 

tckfui

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did they really? thats pretty crazy... now only if there was a reason for them to do that... other than wishfull thinking, and jumping the gun?
 

tckfui

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wow... how insightfull... when we start populating other planetes. potheads better get their own!!! or I'mm going to have to... move... to a metior? or astroid or somthing man... that wouldnt bee too cool...
 

jonnyblaze24

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Im bettin they got some good nugs growin up on Venus.....that sun shines pretty bright there I hear.

Maybe one day it will rain nuggets on us from some kind of comet thats really a huge bud flying thru space rather than an asteroid, with little chunks of bud raining down upon us.
 

dankie

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did they really? thats pretty crazy... now only if there was a reason for them to do that... other than wishfull thinking, and jumping the gun?
NASA aeroponic history


Space plants

Plants were first taken into Earth's orbit in 1960 on two separate missions, Sputnik 4 and Discover 17 (for a review of the first 30 years of plant growth in space, see (Halstead and Scott 1990)).
NASA life support GAP technology with untreated beans (left) and biocontrol treated beans (right) returned from the Mir space station aboard the space shuttle – September 1997


On the former mission, wheat, pea, maize, spring onion, and Nigella damascena seeds were carried into space, and on the latter mission Chlorella pyrenoidosa cells were brought into orbit.[15][3]
Plant experiments were later performed on a variety of Soviet, American, and joint Soviet-American missions, including Biosatellite II, Skylab 3 and 4, Apollo-Soyuz, Sputnik, Vostok, and Zond. Some of the earliest research results showed the effect of low gravity on the orientation of roots and shoots (Halstead and Scott 1990).[3]
Subsequent research went on to investigate the effect of low gravity on plants at the organismic, cellular, and subcellular levels. At the organismic level, for example, a variety of species, including pine, oat, mung bean, lettuce, cress, and Arabidopsis, showed decreased seedling, root, and shoot growth in low gravity, whereas lettuce grown on Cosmos showed the opposite effect of growth in space (Halstead and Scott 1990). Mineral uptake seems also to be affected in plants grown in space. For example, peas grown in space exhibited increased levels of phosphorus and potassium and decreased levels of the divalent cations calcium, magnesium, manganese, zinc, and iron (Halstead and Scott 1990).[16]

Biocontrols in space

In 1996, NASA sponsored Stoner’s research for a natural liquid biocontrol, known then as ODC (organic disease control), that activates plants to grow without the need for pesticides as a means to control pathogens in a closed-loop culture system. ODC is derived from natural aquatic materials.[17]
By 1997, Stoner’s biocontrol experiments were conducted by NASA. BioServe Space Technologies’s GAP technology (miniature growth chambers) delivered the ODC solution unto bean seeds. Triplicate ODC experiments were conducted in GAP’s flown to the MIR by the shuttle space ; at the Kennedy Space Center; and at Colorado State University (J. Linden). All GAPS were housed in total darkness to eliminate light as an experiment variable. The NASA experiment was to study only the benefits of the biocontrol.[18]
NASA's experiments aboard the MIR space station and shuttle confirmed that ODC elicited increased germination rate, better sprouting, increased growth and natural plant disease mechanisms when applied to beans in an enclosed environment. ODC is now a standard for pesticide-free aeroponic growing and organic farming. Soil and hydroponics growers can benefit by incorporating ODC into their planting techniques. ODC meets USDA NOP standards for organic farms.[19]

Aeroponics for space & Earth

In 1998, Stoner received NASA funding to develop a high performance aeroponic system for earth and space. Stoner demonstrated that a dry bio-mass of lettuce can be significantly increased with aeroponics. NASA made history by utilizing numerous aeroponic advancements developed by Stoner.
Abstract: The purpose of the research conducted was to identify and demonstrate technologies for high-performance plant growth in a variety of gravitational environments. A low-gravity environment, for example, poses the problems of effectively bringing water and other nutrients to the plants and effecting recovery of effluents. Food production in the low-gravity environment of space provides further challenges, such as minimization of water use, water handling, and system weight. Food production on planetary bodies such as the Moon or Mars also requires dealing with a hypogravity environment. Because of the impacts to fluid dynamics in these various gravity environments, the nutrient delivery system has been a major focus in plant growth system optimization.
NASA aeroponic lettuce seed germination- Day 30


There are a number of methods currently utilized (both in low gravity and on Earth) to deliver nutrients to plants. Substrate dependent methods include traditional soil cultivation, zeoponics, agar, and nutrient-loaded ion exchange resins. In addition to substrate dependent cultivation, many soilless methods have been developed such as nutrient film technique, ebb and flow, aeroponics, and many other variants. Many hydroponic systems can provide high plant performance but nutrient solution throughput is high, necessitating large water volumes and substantial recycling of solutions, and the control of the solution in hypogravity conditions is difficult at best.
Aeroponics, with its use of a hydro-atomized spray to deliver nutrients, minimizes water use, increases oxygenation of roots, and offers excellent plant growth, while at the same time approaching or bettering the low nutrient solution throughput of other systems developed to operate in low gravity. Aeroponics’ elimination of substrates and the need for large nutrient stockpiles reduces the amount of waste materials to be processed by other life support systems. Furthermore, the absence of substrates simplifies planting and harvesting (providing opportunities for automation), decreases the volume and weight of expendable materials, and eliminates a pathway for pathogen transmission. These many advantages combined with the results of this research that prove the viability of aeroponics in microgravity makes aeroponics a logical choice for efficient food production in space.[1]

NASA inflatable aeroponics

NASA low-mass Inflatable Aeroponics System (AIS) - achieved 1999


In 1999, Stoner, funded by NASA, developed an inflatable low-mass aeroponic system (AIS) for space and earth for high performance food production.
Abstract: Aeroponics International’s (AI’s) innovation is a self-contained, self-supporting, inflatable aeroponic crop production unit with integral environmental systems for the control and delivery of a nutrient/mist to the roots. This inflatable aeroponic system addresses the needs of subtopic 08.03 Spacecraft Life Support Infrastructure and, in particular, water and nutrient delivery systems technologies for food production. The inflatable nature of our innovation makes it lightweight, allowing it to be deflated so it takes up less volume during transportation and storage. It improves on AI’s current aeroponic system design that uses rigid structures, which use more expensive materials, manufacture processes, and transportation. As a stationary aeroponic system, these existing high-mass units perform very well, but transporting and storing them can be problematic.[14]
On Earth, these problems may hinder the economic feasibility of aeroponics for commercial growers. However, such problems become insurmountable obstacles for using these systems on long-duration space missions because of the high cost of payload volume and mass during launch and transit.[14]
The NASA efforts lead to developments of numerous advanced materials for aeroponics for earth and space.[14]

Mission to Mars

NASA's long range plans indicate for man's visit to Mars will utilize inflatable structures to house the spaceship crew on the Mars surface. Planning is under way to incorporate inflatable greenhouse facilities for food production.
NASA planning scenarios also reveal the Mars surface crew will spend 60% of their time on Mars farming to sustain themselves. Aeroponics is considered the agricultural system of choice because of its low water and power inputs and high volume of food output per sq meter.

 

tckfui

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that would be cool... which leads me to a long babaling paragraph of runon senntances and speling mistakes... and no punctuation... except that...and that...

Cannabis in greak means canna- Dog, where we get the word canine, bis, meaning 2, or Bi as in bi sexual or bicycle... so the plant we love is called the two dog plant... why the fuck would they call it that...
well some crazy ass tribe in africa. worship a star, called the twodog star, or cannabi
and they believe that this planate is filled with ganja... and because these aliense love it so much they go around like misionaries from planet to planet, planting weed.
every 50 years or so they have a weed smoking party... that lasts a whole motherfuvkin year!!! where they celibrate the twodog plant and the 2dog star and the 2dog gods.
now heres the cracked out part. this star cant be seen with the human eye... it cant even be sceene with most telescopes. in fact we didn't even know it was their untill a few years ago. ind it just so happens that every 50 years or so for one year the star is the closest to earth... and guess whos having a giant weed smoking party that year?
some people argue that it must be true, since there are so many strains, that can taste like anything... and its truw. I can only think of one other plant that can be either sweet, or spicy (peppers any others?) but cannabis can be sweet, sower spicy, cheesy, moldy, skunky, piny, fruity.

dum dum dum!!!!!!
 

tckfui

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very cool link... I didnt read it yet but I'm about to... not swure if this is answerd in the article... but why cant soil be used?
I could only come up with 2 reasons... roots grow down because of gravity. and water sinks to the roots because of gravity... but I figured there must be other reasons.
 

tckfui

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ha... crazy soil... nutsos.
how does the aero system pmp the water in 0 G? wouldnt most of the water stay floating around and not fall to the botom, so there would be no water to pump?
 

tusseltussel

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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr if only all this bs could have been it's own thread. I was talking about growing pot on earth. now noone is going to read my experiment idea because of astronauts fu[kin around with 0=gravity 0=o2 and 0=co2I feel like ive been robbed :finger:
 

tckfui

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hahahahahahahaaaaa. your a funny guy tussel.
though you are right. we did pretty much jack your thread. but that hapens to almost all threads... it happens... smoking makes us switch subjects... but the subject wasnt revrn changed much... I think me and that other dude were saying, Aero would work wel, maybe the only thin that would work, sooo... you can build a sidways aero setup pretty cheeaply.
I would volenteer to do it... b ut I dont have enough room for it :(
and that stoner tangent helped me out some. I have to write a paper about hydroponic systems, and that will be a nice interesting piece of side info.
 

tusseltussel

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yea i know, i probably jacked a few threads in my day too but I may try it in a few months when my room is free of corse i have more hight than width but hey it sounds fun just to try. my room is 3wx5Lx8'h but i just wanna try. make a jornal out of it, i guess i could fit allot more plants goin up an 8' wall
hahahahahahahaaaaa. your a funny guy tussel.
though you are right. we did pretty much jack your thread. but that hapens to almost all threads... it happens... smoking makes us switch subjects... but the subject wasnt revrn changed much... I think me and that other dude were saying, Aero would work wel, maybe the only thin that would work, sooo... you can build a sidways aero setup pretty cheeaply.
I would volenteer to do it... b ut I dont have enough room for it :(
and that stoner tangent helped me out some. I have to write a paper about hydroponic systems, and that will be a nice interesting piece of side info.
 
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