CrackerJax
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Guess you didn't hear about the huge tax breaks they were given by TEAM OBAMA.... govt. support... next!!
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doobnVA
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Typical. You can't think of an intelligent response so you insult me.
You're so smart...
Again, where is the government takeover?
How does a government takeover put more power in the hands of private industry?
Green Cross
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Don't miss Glen Beck this week!
White House Officials Praise for Mao--Whose Policies Led to Death of 65 Million--Was Pathetic, Says China Expert
Monday, October 19, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
White House Communications Director Anita Dunn (AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told high school students in May 2009 that one of her favorite political philosophers was Mao Tse Tung, the Communist dictator responsible for the death of millions of people, and she explained why his philosophy was important for achieving personal and political goals.
When questioned last week after a video of her speech surfaced, however, Dunn said she was using irony in reference to Mao. A leading expert on China told CNSNews.com that Dunns remarks were pathetic, given the human rights atrocities committed under Maos reign.
As first shown on Fox News Channels Glenn Beck show on Thursday, Oct. 15, in the video Dunn told graduating high school students that Mao and Mother Teresa, the Catholic nun known for aiding the poor, were examples of people who did not give up, and did their own thing to make a difference in the world.
Though Dunn acknowledged that Chairman Mao and Mother Teresa are not often coupled together, she did not preface or qualify her remarks about Mao at all. In the video, Dunn said: [T]he third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa not often coupled with each other -- but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is youre going to make choices, youre going to challenge, youre going to say why not. Youre going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before. But heres the deal: These are your choices, they are no one elses.
Dunn continued: In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities that had the army. They had the airport. They had everything on their side, and people said, How can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this, against all the odds against you? And Mao Tse Tung said, You know, you fight your war, and I'll fight mine.
And think about that for a second, Dunn told the students. You don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, Okay? It is about your choices and your path. You fight your own war. You lay out your own path. You figure out what's right for you. You don't let external definitions define how good you are internally. You fight your war. You let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path.
Mao Tse Tung, former Communist dictator of China.
Policies implemented under Mao Tse Tung, including the civil war, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and persecution in Tibet, among other policies, led to death of an estimated 65 million people, according to The Black Book of Communism (Harvard University Press), which is considered by scholars as one of the best sources on communist atrocities.
Mao also outlawed religion and sent at least 2.5 million people to re-education camps, called laogai, which were similar to the slave-labor camps in the Gulag of the Soviet Union. An estimated 1,000 laogai reportedly are still in operation today.
While Dunn now says she was using irony when she called Mao one of her favorite political philosophers, an expert on Maos three-decade rule in China thinks the remarks she made in May 2009 to the students were pathetic.
William Ratliff, an expert on China with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said he found Dunns comments astonishing regardless of her larger point, and wondered whether Dunn is aware of the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution, or if Dunn was trying to look at Maos positive accomplishments.
He did unify the country. He did implement some policies in the very early years that were constructive, Ratliff told CNSNews.com. But his policies, basically, were terribly, terribly destructive and I think that just makes it impossible for any serious person in the Western world, and I think an awful lot of serious people in China, to regard him as one of the great political philosophers.
Its outrageous and pathetic that a person, anyone in this country frankly, would still believe that, said Ratliff.
In the 1930s, Mao led the Chinese Communists to overthrow the Chinese Nationalists and unify the country. From 1930 through 1949, the Communists killed about 4 million people, mostly rich peasants and the bourgeoisie, according to The Black Book of Communism.
Further, the book reports, Mao had executed 1 million counter revolutionaries by 1951. The democratic terror led to about 700,000 suicides, while 2.5 million were sent to re-education (labor) camps, and a campaign against hidden counter-revolutionaries launched in 1955 led to 770,000 deaths. The state policies that caused widespread famine, along with the labor camps and direct killing of political opponents, among other Communist actions, led to the death of approximately 65 million people in China, according to The Black Book of Communism.
That number exceeds the estimate of people directly killed for political or racial reasons by the Nazis, as well as the estimated number of people killed by the Soviet Communists under Lenin and Stalin. The genocidal policies of Hitler are estimated to have killed 21 million people, which included at least 1 million children under the age of 18. In the Soviet Union, an estimated 25 million died as a result of policies implemented under Lenin and Stalin.
In a statement to The New York Times on Friday, Dunn said former Republican political consultant Lee Atwater inspired the Mao comment.
My source for the Mao quote was actually the late Lee Atwater, either in an article or bio I read after the 1988 election. Now that Ive revealed this, I hope I dont get Keith Olbermann angry with me, Dunn told The Times. Let it be noted that I also quoted Mother Teresa, but no one is accusing me of being a saint.
In a separate statement to CNN, Dunn said, The Mao quote is one I picked up from the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater from something I read in the late 1980s, so I hope I don't get my progressive friends mad at me. The use of the phrase favorite political philosophers was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat -- at least with a certain Fox commentator whose sense of irony may be missing.
Meanwhile, responding to a question aboard Air Force One Friday, White House spokesman Bill Burton was dismissive.
I caught some of that from the Glenn Beck show yesterday, but I don't think anybody takes it, takes his attacks very seriously, Burton said. We're just, you know, we go day to day in this White House trying to ensure that people know the truth about the policies and programs and positions that the president holds, and we're going to continue to do that.
Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundations Center for Legal and Judicial Studies, commented on Dunns remarks about Mao on the National Review blog site, the corner. On Oct. 16, he wrote: Imagine what would happen if a White House communications director cited Adolf Hitler as one of her favorite political philosophers. Not only would it be an above-the-fold, front-page story in every major newspaper in the country, but there would also be outraged howls in the editorial pages."
Mao killed more people than Hitler they were two of the three worst mass murderers in the 20th century (the third being Joseph Stalin), wrote Spakovsky. However, the revelation of Dunns comments will probably be greeted by the mainstream media with a big collective yawn.
White House Officials Praise for Mao--Whose Policies Led to Death of 65 Million--Was Pathetic, Says China Expert
Monday, October 19, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
White House Communications Director Anita Dunn (AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told high school students in May 2009 that one of her favorite political philosophers was Mao Tse Tung, the Communist dictator responsible for the death of millions of people, and she explained why his philosophy was important for achieving personal and political goals.
When questioned last week after a video of her speech surfaced, however, Dunn said she was using irony in reference to Mao. A leading expert on China told CNSNews.com that Dunns remarks were pathetic, given the human rights atrocities committed under Maos reign.
As first shown on Fox News Channels Glenn Beck show on Thursday, Oct. 15, in the video Dunn told graduating high school students that Mao and Mother Teresa, the Catholic nun known for aiding the poor, were examples of people who did not give up, and did their own thing to make a difference in the world.
Though Dunn acknowledged that Chairman Mao and Mother Teresa are not often coupled together, she did not preface or qualify her remarks about Mao at all. In the video, Dunn said: [T]he third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse Tung and Mother Teresa not often coupled with each other -- but the two people that I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point, which is youre going to make choices, youre going to challenge, youre going to say why not. Youre going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before. But heres the deal: These are your choices, they are no one elses.
Dunn continued: In 1947, when Mao Tse Tung was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai Shek and the nationalist Chinese held the cities that had the army. They had the airport. They had everything on their side, and people said, How can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this, against all the odds against you? And Mao Tse Tung said, You know, you fight your war, and I'll fight mine.
And think about that for a second, Dunn told the students. You don't have to accept the definition of how to do things, and you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths, Okay? It is about your choices and your path. You fight your own war. You lay out your own path. You figure out what's right for you. You don't let external definitions define how good you are internally. You fight your war. You let them fight theirs. Everybody has their own path.
Mao Tse Tung, former Communist dictator of China.
Policies implemented under Mao Tse Tung, including the civil war, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and persecution in Tibet, among other policies, led to death of an estimated 65 million people, according to The Black Book of Communism (Harvard University Press), which is considered by scholars as one of the best sources on communist atrocities.
Mao also outlawed religion and sent at least 2.5 million people to re-education camps, called laogai, which were similar to the slave-labor camps in the Gulag of the Soviet Union. An estimated 1,000 laogai reportedly are still in operation today.
While Dunn now says she was using irony when she called Mao one of her favorite political philosophers, an expert on Maos three-decade rule in China thinks the remarks she made in May 2009 to the students were pathetic.
William Ratliff, an expert on China with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said he found Dunns comments astonishing regardless of her larger point, and wondered whether Dunn is aware of the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution, or if Dunn was trying to look at Maos positive accomplishments.
He did unify the country. He did implement some policies in the very early years that were constructive, Ratliff told CNSNews.com. But his policies, basically, were terribly, terribly destructive and I think that just makes it impossible for any serious person in the Western world, and I think an awful lot of serious people in China, to regard him as one of the great political philosophers.
Its outrageous and pathetic that a person, anyone in this country frankly, would still believe that, said Ratliff.
In the 1930s, Mao led the Chinese Communists to overthrow the Chinese Nationalists and unify the country. From 1930 through 1949, the Communists killed about 4 million people, mostly rich peasants and the bourgeoisie, according to The Black Book of Communism.
Further, the book reports, Mao had executed 1 million counter revolutionaries by 1951. The democratic terror led to about 700,000 suicides, while 2.5 million were sent to re-education (labor) camps, and a campaign against hidden counter-revolutionaries launched in 1955 led to 770,000 deaths. The state policies that caused widespread famine, along with the labor camps and direct killing of political opponents, among other Communist actions, led to the death of approximately 65 million people in China, according to The Black Book of Communism.
That number exceeds the estimate of people directly killed for political or racial reasons by the Nazis, as well as the estimated number of people killed by the Soviet Communists under Lenin and Stalin. The genocidal policies of Hitler are estimated to have killed 21 million people, which included at least 1 million children under the age of 18. In the Soviet Union, an estimated 25 million died as a result of policies implemented under Lenin and Stalin.
In a statement to The New York Times on Friday, Dunn said former Republican political consultant Lee Atwater inspired the Mao comment.
My source for the Mao quote was actually the late Lee Atwater, either in an article or bio I read after the 1988 election. Now that Ive revealed this, I hope I dont get Keith Olbermann angry with me, Dunn told The Times. Let it be noted that I also quoted Mother Teresa, but no one is accusing me of being a saint.
In a separate statement to CNN, Dunn said, The Mao quote is one I picked up from the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater from something I read in the late 1980s, so I hope I don't get my progressive friends mad at me. The use of the phrase favorite political philosophers was intended as irony, but clearly the effort fell flat -- at least with a certain Fox commentator whose sense of irony may be missing.
Meanwhile, responding to a question aboard Air Force One Friday, White House spokesman Bill Burton was dismissive.
I caught some of that from the Glenn Beck show yesterday, but I don't think anybody takes it, takes his attacks very seriously, Burton said. We're just, you know, we go day to day in this White House trying to ensure that people know the truth about the policies and programs and positions that the president holds, and we're going to continue to do that.
Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundations Center for Legal and Judicial Studies, commented on Dunns remarks about Mao on the National Review blog site, the corner. On Oct. 16, he wrote: Imagine what would happen if a White House communications director cited Adolf Hitler as one of her favorite political philosophers. Not only would it be an above-the-fold, front-page story in every major newspaper in the country, but there would also be outraged howls in the editorial pages."
Mao killed more people than Hitler they were two of the three worst mass murderers in the 20th century (the third being Joseph Stalin), wrote Spakovsky. However, the revelation of Dunns comments will probably be greeted by the mainstream media with a big collective yawn.
ViRedd
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I'm just about done with you Doob. I've tried, along with others here in the forum to save your ass from a fate worse than death; the coming communist revolution that is passing us in the dead of night as we speak. But OH, NO ... not you. You just won't give up your progressive predjuces, nor your adoration for everything Obama, to see the light.Typical. You can't think of an intelligent response so you insult me.
You're so smart...
Again, where is the government takeover?
How does a government takeover put more power in the hands of private industry?
Too bad for you.
I would suggest though, that you take the lead from Green Cross and start watching Glenn Beck. You may be surprised. If nothing else ... PROVE HIM WRONG.
medicineman
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How do you spell Glenn Beck? Ans. I-D-I-O-T. Anyone that actually takes him seriously needs psychiatric help, seriously. OUT.
CrackerJax
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Obama never said FOX was inaccurate..... he just doesn't like the negative coverage..... he wants everyone to like him.... any crack in the dike will split open eventually. Obama knows this since his policies are smoke and mirrors.
It's the light of day he is trying to avoid. he simply wants ppl to stop watching the one major news outlet which is actually doing objective reporting....which means all sides are examined.
Again, Murdoch backed GORE heavily in 2000....... so no republican cabal there..... try again!!
NEXT!!
It's the light of day he is trying to avoid. he simply wants ppl to stop watching the one major news outlet which is actually doing objective reporting....which means all sides are examined.
Again, Murdoch backed GORE heavily in 2000....... so no republican cabal there..... try again!!
NEXT!!
CrackerJax
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It's simply a smear campaign.... they are getting desperate and petty..... now it is plain for all to see.
ViRedd
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That's right, and whom is looking petty? Its Obama ... and its very demeaning to the office of the president.
We haven't had a president in office that has tried to intimidate the media like this since Wilson and FDR. What's next, blackballing authors and book publishers? Issuing a blackout order for the Internet? Yikes!
Where's Harry Truman when ya need him. Where's Ike? Where's The Gipper??!!
CrackerJax
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All of the theatrics that Obama is playing would have been considered "beneath" the office of the guys you mentioned..... They actually were Presidents, instead of ppl acting like a President.
Notice how outside his media influence, he is literally getting "rolled" by our sworn enemies...
They must watch FOX news I guess......
Notice how outside his media influence, he is literally getting "rolled" by our sworn enemies...
They must watch FOX news I guess......
ViRedd
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He's also getting rolled by the American People ... those that think anyway. The steam roller will be a-comin' in 2012.
Why aren't the liberals, and in doob's case, the Democrat Socialists (parasites and tax consumers) screaming out about how Obama wants to starve old people and have them eating cat food? My god, what are the grannies supposed to do when their Medicare is cut by 500 billion???
Why aren't the liberals, and in doob's case, the Democrat Socialists (parasites and tax consumers) screaming out about how Obama wants to starve old people and have them eating cat food? My god, what are the grannies supposed to do when their Medicare is cut by 500 billion???
doobnVA
Well-Known Member
I'm just about done with you Doob. I've tried, along with others here in the forum to save your ass from a fate worse than death; the coming communist revolution that is passing us in the dead of night as we speak. But OH, NO ... not you. You just won't give up your progressive predjuces, nor your adoration for everything Obama, to see the light.
Too bad for you.
I would suggest though, that you take the lead from Green Cross and start watching Glenn Beck. You may be surprised. If nothing else ... PROVE HIM WRONG.
LOL.. yeah, okay, Vi. This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that I've dragged your ass back and forth across the forums all day, exposing you for what you REALLY are?
Adoration of Obama? LOL! You don't know a damned thing about me, Vi, not surprising, considering you don't READ anything I write - you just skim through looking for pejorative words you can use to marginalize me and others who hold the same views as me. progressive "predjuces"? What does that even mean? I'm biased towards my own views? FUCKING SHOCKER... So are you, so is everybody. Quit trying to take the moral high ground, you've already established that you have no regard for anyone but yourself. " Sordid selfishness doth contract and narrow our benevolence, and cause us, like serpents, to infold ourselves within ourselves, and to turn out our stings to the entire world besides. "
Look Vi, I've seen the light, but it sure as hell ain't shining from anywhere near YOU or YOUR messiah, Glenn Beck.
This "communist revolution" you talk about is the product of the imagination of a LUNATIC. There is no communist revolution. It simply doesn't exist. There's no "salvation" for radicals like you, because there is nothing to be saved FROM.
doobnVA
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Yeah, don't fuck with Medicare, that horrible evil socialist program....He's also getting rolled by the American People ... those that think anyway. The steam roller will be a-comin' in 2012.
Why aren't the liberals, and in doob's case, the Democrat Socialists (parasites and tax consumers) screaming out about how Obama wants to starve old people and have them eating cat food? My god, what are the grannies supposed to do when their Medicare is cut by 500 billion???
Can you open your mouth ONCE without contradicting yourself, or is it impossible?
Do you want to know who voted AGAINST those "socialist" bailouts we gave to the banks?
The only SOCIALIST in Congress, Bernie motherfucking Sanders.
That's right, the SOCIALIST voted AGAINST the bail outs that you and others like to call "socialist".
How 'bout THEM apples?
Oh, and Bernie Sanders? He's a democratic socialist, too.
ViRedd
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Well, Doob ... you're correct of course. Bernie Sanders IS a self avowed socialist. But ... he's not the only socialist in the congress, he's the only one honest enough to admit it.
And, I have to hand it to you also. You've finally come out of the closet and admitted your own personal penchant for parasitical blood sucking of the fruit garnered from the labors of others. Thanks for that. I'll be addressing you quite differently in the future.
Are you sure you're not Med-'O-Mao in drag?
And, I have to hand it to you also. You've finally come out of the closet and admitted your own personal penchant for parasitical blood sucking of the fruit garnered from the labors of others. Thanks for that. I'll be addressing you quite differently in the future.
Are you sure you're not Med-'O-Mao in drag?
crazykoolaid
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I can not stand this man
doobnVA
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How exactly am I admitting a "penchant for parasitical blood sucking"? It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it still isn't true. You have NO IDEA what socialism is.Well, Doob ... you're correct of course. Bernie Sanders IS a self avowed socialist. But ... he's not the only socialist in the congress, he's the only one honest enough to admit it.
And, I have to hand it to you also. You've finally come out of the closet and admitted your own personal penchant for parasitical blood sucking of the fruit garnered from the labors of others. Thanks for that. I'll be addressing you quite differently in the future.
Are you sure you're not Med-'O-Mao in drag?
Do I somehow use more public services than you do, or cost the taxpayers any more money than you do?
No, I don't.
I'll ask again, because you have a habit of skirting questions that may further expose your ignorance and hypocrisy.
Do you drive on public roads? Use public utilities? Eat food purchased at the grocery store inspected by the FDA and/or USDA? Ever taken a prescription drug? Do you plan to collect social security, or do you already collect social security? Do you plan on signing up for Medicare when you're old enough (if you aren't already)? Did you attend school in the US, elementary, secondary, or college? Have you ever used a public library, filed your tax return with the IRS, relied on police, fire department, or do you plan on putting out your own house fire in the event that such a tragedy affects YOU?
Unless you can HONESTLY answer NO to ALL of these questions, then you're just as much of a "tax consuming parasite" as I am. AND a hypocrite, but we've already established that several times over
ViRedd
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Do you drive on public roads? Use public utilities? Eat food purchased at the grocery store inspected by the FDA and/or USDA? Ever taken a prescription drug? Do you plan to collect social security, or do you already collect social security? Do you plan on signing up for Medicare when you're old enough (if you aren't already)? Did you attend school in the US, elementary, secondary, or college? Have you ever used a public library, filed your tax return with the IRS, relied on police, fire department, or do you plan on putting out your own house fire in the event that such a tragedy affects YOU?
Well, yes and I pay for, or have already paid for, all of these services. Some were voluntary and some were paid under duress. So what's your point? Clearly, you are brain washed.
I've been trying to guess your age, but I'm all over the place with it. Mind telling me what it is?
Well, yes and I pay for, or have already paid for, all of these services. Some were voluntary and some were paid under duress. So what's your point? Clearly, you are brain washed.
I've been trying to guess your age, but I'm all over the place with it. Mind telling me what it is?
medicineman
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Pot VS KettleDo you drive on public roads? Use public utilities? Eat food purchased at the grocery store inspected by the FDA and/or USDA? Ever taken a prescription drug? Do you plan to collect social security, or do you already collect social security? Do you plan on signing up for Medicare when you're old enough (if you aren't already)? Did you attend school in the US, elementary, secondary, or college? Have you ever used a public library, filed your tax return with the IRS, relied on police, fire department, or do you plan on putting out your own house fire in the event that such a tragedy affects YOU?
Well, yes and I pay for, or have already paid for, all of these services. Some were voluntary and some were paid under duress. So what's your point? Clearly, you are brain washed.
I've been trying to guess your age, but I'm all over the place with it. Mind telling me what it is?
CrackerJax
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As if... more like Einstein Vs. the lab janitor.