Grow tent 600w hps hydro under construction

[SmokeyMcChokey]

Very nice Setup bro!Who makes that tent if you dont mind me asking?Does that light setup you have put out alot of heat?i want to put togehter exactley what you have there minus the hydro table.

i bought an the exact same tent from a site called LA somethin or other the box came marked darkroom. but the instructions said LA hydro or whatever the site was. i love it. i works well and i have almost the same setup as he does. only a 400 watter with a digigreenhouse ballast tho.

 

[smokingrubber]

So what is the verdict on the filter being outside/inside? I am new to a tent and looking at getting one and I have some questions. If anyone would take the time to answer any of them I would be greatful.

1. Is a 1000W sodium too much for a 4x4 tent?

2. should I hook the exhaust fan right to the filter and keep the fan outside thus forcing the air from inside the tent to be pushed out of the tent and through the filter(which is outside the tent)?

3. I am confused as to why you would leave the filter inside the tent? How does this eliminate odor? Help me out here. I don't think heat will be in issue as I will be setting this up in my garage, which will be cold in the witer.

Thanks in advance for any tips. Also, if anyone can provide a link with a growtent set up guide i would much appreciate it.

I'm about to start a 4x4 grow, but here's what I know.

1. 1000 watts a LOT of light, but not too much.

2 & 3. The filter goes inside the tent. Then run the duct from the filter to the air-cooled light hood. Then run the duct from the light to the fan outside the tent. This sucks the dirty air through the filter (cleaning it) and past the light (cooling it). Make sure you have a source of fresh air for a direct intake.

1000 watts is not too much light, but it's way too much heat. You will need to use an air-cooled hood (cool sun XL). The intense amount of light also creates humidity problems in some instances. Make sure you're keeping an eye on it.

 

[stonedgrappler]

I'm about to start a 4x4 grow, but here's what I know.

1. 1000 watts a LOT of light, but not too much.

2 & 3. The filter goes inside the tent. Then run the duct from the filter to the air-cooled light hood. Then run the duct from the light to the fan outside the tent. This sucks the dirty air through the filter (cleaning it) and past the light (cooling it). Make sure you have a source of fresh air for a direct intake.

1000 watts is not too much light, but it's way too much heat. You will need to use an air-cooled hood (cool sun XL). The intense amount of light also creates humidity problems in some instances. Make sure you're keeping an eye on it.

I am not too worried about heat because it will be in the garage and temps there outside the box will probably be between around 55-65F and I will have a small fan bringing air in the tent.

My next question is should I have the exhaust fan on the one side of the tent and the intake on the other? Won't this mess with air circulation? If I do this I assume the air will just go in and get sucked right out causing only the top half of my tent to get fresh air. Would it be a better idea to put the intake fans near the bottom of the tent and the exhaust on the top of the tent on the opposite side?

 

[stonedgrappler]

I'm about to start a 4x4 grow, but here's what I know.


2 & 3. The filter goes inside the tent. Then run the duct from the filter to the air-cooled light hood. Then run the duct from the light to the fan outside the tent. This sucks the dirty air through the filter (cleaning it) and past the light (cooling it). Make sure you have a source of fresh air for a direct intake.

How does this eliminate odor? Am I to assume that odor won't get out because it is airtight? I was under the impression that the filter should be attached to an exhaust fan outside the tent so the hot, smelly air would pass through the filter and leave the tent(and into my garage) without smell. I am confused about this one step. I understand running the intake fans to the light and exhausting it on the other side of the light to cool the bulb but I'm still a little confused about the filter.

 

[smokingrubber]

My next question is should I have the exhaust fan on the one side of the tent and the intake on the other? Won't this mess with air circulation? If I do this I assume the air will just go in and get sucked right out causing only the top half of my tent to get fresh air. Would it be a better idea to put the intake fans near the bottom of the tent and the exhaust on the top of the tent on the opposite side?

Intake and exhaust holes should be pre-installed in most tents. Intakes are located at the bottom. Run a FRESH air line from the outside world to your intakes. Don't use the recycled air from inside the garage, you need fresh co2.

 

[smokingrubber]

How does this eliminate odor? Am I to assume that odor won't get out because it is airtight? I was under the impression that the filter should be attached to an exhaust fan outside the tent so the hot, smelly air would pass through the filter and leave the tent(and into my garage) without smell. I am confused about this one step. I understand running the intake fans to the light and exhausting it on the other side of the light to cool the bulb but I'm still a little confused about the filter.

Note: the filter comes with a pre-filter. This is just a scrub pad wrapped around the outside of the filter. They call it a "pre" filter because it's the first filter the air gets passed through when it gets SUCKED through.

Air goes INTO the filter and it gets cleaned. It passes by the light and takes the hot, clean air out into your garage. Since the filter is SUCKING air in, the tent doesn't need to be air-tight as it's creating negative pressure inside the tent (smells can't get out). Therefore, all air leaving the tent gets passed through the filter.

 

[stonedgrappler]

Still a bit confused. I guess I'll have to wait and experiment.

 

[laserbrn]

How does this eliminate odor? Am I to assume that odor won't get out because it is airtight? I was under the impression that the filter should be attached to an exhaust fan outside the tent so the hot, smelly air would pass through the filter and leave the tent(and into my garage) without smell. I am confused about this one step. I understand running the intake fans to the light and exhausting it on the other side of the light to cool the bulb but I'm still a little confused about the filter.

I run mine the way you describe here and it works brilliantly. You can put the filter right outside the tent in the garage. Set the fan on top of the filter and run a duct into the tent and into your light. This will draw the warm air from the light out as well as the stanky air from the tent. It will pass through the filter and out into the garage.

Now this way works....but it is not the most efficient setup...

The most efficient way is to actually put the filter IN the tent up at the top and connect the fan to it. I don't run it this way because it's more of a PITA and I run a much bigger filter than most people (I used to have a bigger grow space).

Honestly with my 365cfm fan it's about a 2 degree difference if I put the filter in the tent versus outside the tent. Doesn't have much effect.

 

[CasteR]

Hey man i've been reading your entire setuip it looks nice.

I was bummed because as i was reading through i noticed early on you asked for suggestions for attitude strains to buy and nobody seemed to answer you right away, i was hoping to catch you before you ordered to request aurora indica. I'm on my 2nd aurora indica grow now and its a great strain. very hearty strain grows short, is primarily indica and very potent. also flowering times are pretty low too. but since you've already ordered write it down for next time or something i guess haha.

anyways, sick lookin setup, can't wait to see some plants in there

 

[stiffla]

anon1122

hi there ive just read all the tread and its sounds like your having plenty of fun and been given alot of very good advice, the thing is im setting up my very first budbox's and need to know how to start a thread so people can help me and give me advice cheers mate and keep up the good work with them babies

 

[anon1122]

Hi everyone! I've been very busy with work and working in the tent. Things are going fairly well at the moment. All 3 plants are growing at a healthy rate.


Plant A is tall, long 1st set of jagged leaves and the second set of leaves are coming in nicely, leaves look to be thinnish. Tallest one of all 3.

Plant B is also tall, not much shorter than A. It's first set of jagged leaves are long, not as long as A, and more wide. First set of jaggeds are pointing down slightly.

Plant C is kinda a runt, short, first set of jagged leaves are droopy but second set are fine. Not yellowing or anything, just droopy.

All plants are already growing a 3rd set of leaves.

I have nutes set to 1/4 strength at roughly 140 ppm, and I keep ph between 5.8 and 6.1 Lights come on at 7 am and off at 1 am. fits into my work schedule, I work odd hours.

I flood manually once or twice a day. what times would be optimal to flood given the hours the light is on? Does it matter if it only takes 5 minutes to flood but my timer only goes in 15 minute intervals, would the extra 10 minutes of soaking be detrimental?

I will have pictures up in the next couple days, I promise!

 

[smokingrubber]

I have nutes set to 1/4 strength at roughly 140 ppm, and I keep ph between 5.8 and 6.1 Lights come on at 7 am and off at 1 am. fits into my work schedule, I work odd hours.

Get the ppm up to 400-500.

Flood when the lights come on and again 9 hours later. Do that for the entire veg period. Flooding for 20 minutes is not a problem. If things look a little yellow, water only once a day.

 

[laserbrn]

Get the ppm up to 400-500.

Flood when the lights come on and again 9 hours later. Do that for the entire veg period. Flooding for 20 minutes is not a problem. If things look a little yellow, water only once a day.

You are smoking rocks. Didn't even need nutes yet. Don't raise your nutrient levels! Seedlings are fine in hydro until the 3rd set of leaves show. Then it's time to get started on nutrients. Don't get your nutes up to 400ppm or you'll burn them for sure and they will grow slower. Leave them at 140ppm if they are doing okay with it for a couple of weeks. They won't grow faster because you added more nutrients. You want them to grow faster, use more lights. Play it safe with the nutes and restrain yourself.

 

[anon1122]

You are smoking rocks. Didn't even need nutes yet. Don't raise your nutrient levels! Seedlings are fine in hydro until the 3rd set of leaves show. Then it's time to get started on nutrients. Don't get your nutes up to 400ppm or you'll burn them for sure and they will grow slower. Leave them at 140ppm if they are doing okay with it for a couple of weeks. They won't grow faster because you added more nutrients. You want them to grow faster, use more lights. Play it safe with the nutes and restrain yourself.

They were showing a tinge of yellowing the past couple days so I flushed them really well and will give them some plain water for a couple days. What will they look like when they WANT nutes?

I checked the roots on plant c today and they are abundant and healthy. So I can only imagine what A and B look like, but I dont want to cause damage so I am leaving them alone.

So yeah pictures. Maybe tonight if I can acquire a digital camera.

 

[smokingrubber]

You are smoking rocks. Didn't even need nutes yet. Don't raise your nutrient levels! Seedlings are fine in hydro until the 3rd set of leaves show. Then it's time to get started on nutrients.

I've smoked a few nugg's today, but no rocks. I don't f with that shit. What does that mean: "seedlings are fine in hydro"? What exactly are you refering to as hydro?

And, he said the third set was already coming in! Are you reading the conversation or just trying to attack me?

 

[smokingrubber]

They were showing a tinge of yellowing the past couple days so I flushed them really well and will give them some plain water for a couple days.

A tinge of yellow means too much water. Flushing them is not really nessessary unless you've given them a bunch of nutes you're trying to get rid of.

There are books that describe all of the sypmtoms of over/under nutes. I'm no botanist and it's difficult to know what advise to take around here. Invest in a books or two. A little education is never a bad thing.

 

[laserbrn]

I've smoked a few nugg's today, but no rocks. I don't f with that shit. What does that mean: "seedlings are fine in hydro"? What exactly are you refering to as hydro?

And, he said the third set was already coming in! Are you reading the conversation or just trying to attack me?

Are these not being grown in hydro? I read through and follow a lot of threads and it's possible I have this one mixed up. I thought this was growin' in Rockwool w/ Hydroton using Ebb & Flow?

I could reread it, but that's just crazy, it's huge.

When I start from seeds I feed them PLAIN water for ~ 2 weeks. By then they are on about their 3rd or 4th set of leaves.

Veg feeding Schedule looks like this....

Week 1: 0 ppm
Week 2: 0 ppm
Week 3: 200ppm - Start the 3rd week with 50ppm. Increase by 50ppm each day until 200ppm is reached.
Week 4: 200ppm
Week 5: 300ppm
Week 6: Increase by 100ppm each day until you reach ~600ppm.

Week 7: Flowerin' time. Whole different schedule.

Some people like to pump the nutrients faster, but if you look through all of my past grow journals you will see WHY I do it this way.

Now, this is a basic guideline for what I would call "safe growing" and a good start for a first timer. This is a minimal feeding schedule and will should give you healthy plants, but not all strains are created equal. And that's where things get interesting.

Using this basic guideline I can work on determining my plants needs without risking burning them and slowing my progress.

I am looking for these indicators in veg:

1) PPM is rising as the water level drops - Too strong. Need to add water and lower the PPM. The plants are taking up more water than nutrients.

2) PPM is falling as the water level drops - Too Weak. Plants are taking up more nutrients than water. Need to add more nutrients to keep the plants happy.

3) PPM stays steady as the water level drops - We are in the right zone.

That again is another basic guideline, I then have to look at the plants....

1) Lower leaves are starting to yellow and overall the plant looks a bit "pale"
-Pleant is underfed and she would really like some more nutrients. Don't need to be drastic, she's just a hungrier breed.

2) Plant is REALLY dark green and starting to get "The Claw". The leaf tips are beginning to curl under. - She's overfed and has too much Nitrogen. Back off the nutes for a little bit. Overfed plants aren't happy.

You'll get the hang of it over time, but it's best to start out with less.

 

[anon1122]

Well, I had accidentally followed smoking rubber's advice about bumping them up. it was only for one feeding but boy did it burn them good. The first set of jaggeds are almost gone, the second set have brown spots and slightly necrotic tips. I really think he is smoking rubber. I flushed thoroughly and fed with ph adjusted distilled water. Now I added nutes to 50 ppm. PH stays in the neighborhood of 5.75-6.0. Hopefully it didn't stunt them too terribly. I'm sad I listened to his advice. But, it's a weed and it wants to grow, so i am sure they will bounce back.


Right now lights come on at 7, watered at 8 am and 4 p.m. lights out at 1 am. How dry should rockwool be before watering again? It's still moist when it gets watered, it never dries out though. Temps hover in the mid to upper 70's. RH is around 45-50% I am discouraged seeing how my plants look compared to some people's grows on here. But I am trying to follow everything to the letter. My only real mistake so far was the one feeding of high nutes and I really hope I didn't just fuck myself.

 

[laserbrn]

Well, I had accidentally followed smoking rubber's advice about bumping them up. it was only for one feeding but boy did it burn them good. The first set of jaggeds are almost gone, the second set have brown spots and slightly necrotic tips. I really think he is smoking rubber. I flushed thoroughly and fed with ph adjusted distilled water. Now I added nutes to 50 ppm. PH stays in the neighborhood of 5.75-6.0. Hopefully it didn't stunt them too terribly. I'm sad I listened to his advice. But, it's a weed and it wants to grow, so i am sure they will bounce back.


Right now lights come on at 7, watered at 8 am and 4 p.m. lights out at 1 am. How dry should rockwool be before watering again? It's still moist when it gets watered, it never dries out though. Temps hover in the mid to upper 70's. RH is around 45-50% I am discouraged seeing how my plants look compared to some people's grows on here. But I am trying to follow everything to the letter. My only real mistake so far was the one feeding of high nutes and I really hope I didn't just fuck myself.

He thought you bagseed could be pollenated by dandelions! He doesn't have pictures of his many grows. Watch out the advice you listen to and where it comes from. This forum is full of those that love to talk based upon what they've read, not from their growing experience.

Lesson learned, always consider the source.

Post up some pictures so we can see what's going on now. I would think that watering once a day at this stage should be fine and twice might be too much.

 

[laserbrn]

He thought you bagseed could be pollenated by dandelions! He doesn't have pictures of his many grows. Watch out the advice you listen to and where it comes from. This forum is full of those that love to talk based upon what they've read, not from their growing experience.

Lesson learned, always consider the source.

Post up some pictures so we can see what's going on now. I would think that watering once a day at this stage should be fine and twice might be too much.

Oh and the reason I said that if you look through my old journals you'd see why I don't feed early and don't feed strong in veg......I've burned many, many plants. Especially using AN nutes, they are strong and less is way more. Check out my current grow log, my previous grow log, I don't fuck around anymore and I've figured out how to do this without burning the plants and slowing yourself way down. And this smokingrubber guy has tried to contradict me on a few threads now and it's pissing me off that he's offering up poor advice based on shit he's just simply read somewhere. 3rd set of leaves 400ppm, told ya. That's 100% guaranteed to burn the shit out of them and it's TERRIBLE advice.

Put them back on plain water until you see new growth that is nice and green again up on top. Then move to 50ppm and leave it there for a couple of days. You need to be gentle too them. Seedlings are sensitive.

Oh yeah...and as reminder, pics please.