L.E.D. grow lights?

[indoorsavant]

is this even your grow laserbrn doubtful because if it was youd have fact to back up your theory like i do.i have used both sources of light and made my choice,but what the hell ill humor you?how much did you spend on your electric bill veg through flower?how much on all of your lights?how many 1000w hps lights did it take to get buds that big like 5,ive used hps man and the led is cheaper to run with very similar results,and you dont have to but 500$ worth of fans and exhaust equipmentinto your closet cutting holes and causing damage to your place of living.even with all my fans and what not my 400w hps closet was always 85 and up,very harmful to growing plants,as a matter of fact i have a brand new sunlightsystems 400w hps in the box,and im selling it to a buddy because i have no use for it with my 90w ufo,do some research ive seen buds grow very large with led systems 90w and up not those crappy 13w panels

 

[laserbrn]

I'm flattered that you think it takes 5 lights to get those results. I mean, they are good results, but I used 1x 600w HPS for that. I have one fan on my flowering tent. I use a T5HO for veg (360w, I think). My electric bill is nothing compared to the money I get and save for my bud.

Here's a link to the grow journal if you'd like to see it....

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/207695-laserbrn-dp-white-widow-green-11.html

C'mon...where's yours? Show me your 90w LED grow journal, and don't fake that shit...show me the pictures buddy. Show me your buds.

I've had enough with the claims.... link to the HT articles. Show me some motherfuckin' evidence or simply piss off. I have never seen anyone with more than 500 posts, pictuers of their buds and ACTUAL evidence to support these claims.

I would love for them to be true. I would love it for something better to come along, but no matter how many of these threads I've seen over the years, no one is able ever to "show me the money".

 

[HaNDyGrOw]

I have a non-cheap-o UFO .. with hidhut.com 's satalitte CFL attachment.. look at my avatar pic.. n e ways.. gotta say after some time using HPS and LED w/CFL... LED is only going to be good for in MY OPINION.. veg or seedling state .. FOR FLOWER one will have to step up to HPS to get the sense, danky, full nugs.. I have expierence growing Bagseed, Dinafem Moby Dick, Lowrider Easyrider, and Some Jack Herrer.. everytime same thing all plants did well under UFO with about 16,000 in additional lumens supplimented with CFL and UFO claims 3650 lumens so roufly 20K lumens will veg about 2 or 3 plants well.. but after that go HPS for finish.. you'll me wasting you good genetics if you dont.. I am going for some DNA LA women grows soon along with more Moby Dick.. thinking of switching to MH and seeing if that will do well.. 4 under a 400 watter.. ??

 

[laserbrn]

I have a non-cheap-o UFO .. with hidhut.com 's satalitte CFL attachment.. look at my avatar pic.. n e ways.. gotta say after some time using HPS and LED w/CFL... LED is only going to be good for in MY OPINION.. veg or seedling state .. FOR FLOWER one will have to step up to HPS to get the sense, danky, full nugs.. I have expierence growing Bagseed, Dinafem Moby Dick, Lowrider Easyrider, and Some Jack Herrer.. everytime same thing all plants did well under UFO with about 16,000 in additional lumens supplimented with CFL and UFO claims 3650 lumens so roufly 20K lumens will veg about 2 or 3 plants well.. but after that go HPS for finish.. you'll me wasting you good genetics if you dont.. I am going for some DNA LA women grows soon along with more Moby Dick.. thinking of switching to MH and seeing if that will do well.. 4 under a 400 watter.. ??

I would like to add that I do belive LED's are awesome for veg. I love my T5HO, but they do put out some heat. I am fortunate to have a large veg area, but it would be completely unnecessary with LED's. I could ustilize a much smaller smace and not have to ventilate it like I do now. I may some day do this and I am a firm believer in LED lights for the vegetative state. There's plenty of evidence to support their use. I believe the plants actually do grow faster under the LED's in veg than MH, but for flower they are just not up to snuff. Certainly not bang for the buck.

 

[Treeth]

Those are impressive colas laserburn.

But those main colas are also the result of a lot of veg time. That was a big plant. Most people who grow leds keep it under 'tree' status, and look to SOG for the proven efficacy over vegging out.

Leds also have incredible value when spread out over their 70,000 hour lifespan don't you forget.

But my particular charge is that yes; leds are better at driving flowering and resin production.

You only have yet to see such a use specific led light.

 

[potsmokinbasturd]

led,s will never compare to fluorescent/HID combo. The only thing worse than an LED is the bullshit lyin basturds that claim they are worth half a shit. TRUE STORY 11/7/09

 

[potsmokinbasturd]

What kind of LEDs were you using?? If you were using a 60 watt LED to grow 5 plants then of course they sucked, LoL..

I am pretty sure you did not use a quality LED light, such as the SuperNova (the best one on the Market). Most people that have tried to use LEDs, usually buy the cheapest one they can find on ebay and then complain about having bad results. If you want a quality LED that will produce some good results then you have to spend some good money.

Hey this guy is fulla shit. Ya for the money u would pay for the top of the line LED you could buy 5 times more lumens going HID or even fluoros. Its a big scam go with what the big boys use HID. If Ive offended any 1 Im sorry lol.

 

[potsmokinbasturd]

Any 1 that backs an LED is fulla shit, and a dubmass newbie with no REAL experience. Again if I offended any dubasses or newbies Im again sorry heeeeeeee

 

[laserbrn]

Those are impressive colas laserburn.

But those main colas are also the result of a lot of veg time. That was a big plant. Most people who grow leds keep it under 'tree' status, and look to SOG for the proven efficacy over vegging out.

Why do you guys keep making assumptions without reading through the grow journal. The plants those cola's came off of where less than 3 feet tall. There were I beleive 7 of them in a 4'x4'x7.5' tent with a single 600w HPS.
I am keen to your claims about LED's driving flower and resin production, the problem is that you simply again have an empty claim. WHERE ARE YOUR GROWS? Where is the evidence to support your claim? Why the fuck is it so difficult to get some proof? Ohh.....It's the "Jesus Effect". I offered someone on here tryin to hawk their LED wares that I would pay out the extra $$$ for 600w of LED's and that I would do a side by side grow if they would offer a 100% money back satisfaction guarantee with no questsion asked.

If the LED grow outperforms the HPS than I'd keep them, but if not I'd have to send them right back. Good publicity for the MFG/Retailer as I would journal it, probably put it on youtube, etc.

What happened? Disappeared. And wanted $1200 for the lights. I can't do that, it's just no within reason. Half of that and we'd be in business for sure.

 

[Treeth]

So those are dutch passion ww colas?
-I personally love their gear. I'm trying a new one of theirs, "The Ultimate", which yields much like the plants did in your picture.

And thats too bad that led 'company' couldn't step up to the challenge, but this is exactly why I am enthralled by the leds - Easy, immaculate colas, even if you just barely keep the plant alive.

But with CO2 and genetics they get huge.

 

[laserbrn]

So those are dutch passion ww colas?
-I personally love their gear. I'm trying a new one of theirs, "The Ultimate", which yields much like the plants did in your picture.

And thats too bad that led 'company' couldn't step up to the challenge, but this is exactly why I am enthralled by the leds - Easy, immaculate colas, even if you just barely keep the plant alive.

But with CO2 and genetics they get huge.

Those are Dutch Passion White Widow Cola's. 100%. Ordered from Attitude seedbank originally. I am running another batch right now utilizing a SCROG to see how much it improves yeild. So far the SCROG looks good, but it's not as interesting to watch as the big cola's.

 

[Yow]

Those are Dutch Passion White Widow Cola's. 100%. Ordered from Attitude seedbank originally. I am running another batch right now utilizing a SCROG to see how much it improves yeild. So far the SCROG looks good, but it's not as interesting to watch as the big cola's.

The genetics are very admirable. Wow

http:// abrpa.com

advanced blue red photon applications™

 

[desert fox]

Wow I read an entire led thread. I dont think it will ever be practical for large grows, but for someone in a closet and micro grows they might be the best option. Micro grows just dont make sense to me. That is alot of work for minimal results. I ain't knocking it, to each his own. I would just never do it or LEDs for that matter. At least the LEDs growlights are moving in the right direction going with the Cree high power lamps vs the shitty LED they were using earlier. I built a homemade caving light that is just plain bad ass. using 2 Cree lamps. I can see the bottom of 75 ft pits! I love being able to see that far for rockfalls and such when on ropes....It thows a SHITLOAD of light. Philips also has some top class high power leds. 750ma-1000ma rated led are frickin bright and might even have...gasp...some canopy penetration. I will have to re-read bricktops post about the par efficiency again.

 

[Treeth]

I accept your challenge by the way Laserbrn.

I'll send you an invoice in the spring. I look forward to it.

I agree about Scrog, and
I think SOG is the way to go. LOTS of main colas, rather than bunches of side and/or three/4 good main colas. Its also the final method for me to attempt... and If you start thinking in tables,
Air-Assisted Aeroponics is the easy way to efficacy.


-Im a gonna get a tattoo; Philips Lumiled Rebel!

 

[laserbrn]

I accept your challenge by the way Laserbrn.

I'll send you an invoice in the spring. I look forward to it.

I agree about Scrog, and
I think SOG is the way to go. LOTS of main colas, rather than bunches of side and/or three/4 good main colas. Its also the final method for me to attempt... and If you start thinking in tables,
Air-Assisted Aeroponics is the easy way to efficacy.


-Im a gonna get a tattoo; Philips Lumiled Rebel!

You accept my challenge for what? You are going to grow some badass buds with LED's or you're going to send me some lights and invoice me in the spring? I'm a little confused?

 

[Treeth]

I do grow badass buds,
and I'd like to eventually sell you something led related,
After I grow more badass buds.
and if I can beats a 600w hps, gram per watt.

This is how confident I am,

To make statements like these.

 

[laserbrn]

I do grow badass buds,
and I'd like to eventually sell you something led related,
After I grow more badass buds.
and if I can beats a 600w hps, gram per watt.

This is how confident I am,

To make statements like these.

I would love to see it done. I would set the stardard @ 1G/Watt. If you can get even close to that with LED's you'd sell a zillion of them. Everyone is always working towards that coveted # and it would really revolution things if someone could show a grow @ say 600w where they were able to even get 500g. I'd love to run them side by side and I'd love someone to back their product enough to let me do it. Just guarantee it for 90 days, 100% money back guarantee, no questions asked and I'm down. It's not the expense of the lights, it's the lack of evidence to support that they truely work. Asking me to pay out $1200 on a wing and a prayer just isn't going to work.

Let me return it if doesn't work and we might be talking. Right now $1200+ would be too pricey anyway to scratch together, but I could by the time this batch is done. About 30-45 days I could come up with the scratch to put together another setup.

It's also not JUST the lights, I want the same tent, trays, reservoir, etc. that I currently have so all together I gotta come up with a good $2000 for everything. Which ain't the end of the world, but it damn well better work!

 

[Treeth]

Well Lazerbrn,
are there any stipulations to this?
I mean, a gram per watt in an aero system with CO2 counts, correct?

BTW, go and check out this thread .

His system, which isn't really his,
is close to what I'm doing. However he has never grown cannabis.

and i do not plan on sharing that msrp or the same optimism on coverage

 

[Yow]

Well Lazerbrn,
are there any stipulations to this?
I mean, a gram per watt in an aero system with CO2 counts, correct?

BTW, go and check out this thread .

His system, which isn't really his,
is close to what I'm doing. However he has never grown cannabis.

and i do not plan on sharing that msrp or the same optimism on coverage

So, what do YOU have? beside unfounded criticisms and assumptions ...

I agree you won't talk MSRP , lack of product and all. Does it everytime.



abrpa.com

 

[sgt.stiffy]

I also grow scrog with 2x 225 led panels, one is 80% red and 20 blue and the other is all red. Believe it or not it makes excellent healthy buds. And each panel is equivelant to a 400w hps system. Hps uses red spectrum for flowering and so my red LEDs are more efficient than hps. My full spectrum panel is better than hps for photosynthesis and veg growth. LEDs are the number one method for plant growth and is becomming much better than hps.