DUI Thread

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Yes exactly, if you are going to drink, don't drive. Stopping off for a few may not be the best idea. Make better arrangements, it's not difficult.
That is completely unreasonable. I take it you either don't drink or you don't have a busy social life. Those that do can not do as you suggest and maintain a regular lifestyle. Laws that interfere with common every day lifestyles are messed up.

And if cops respected the US Constitution people could drive home without detection. My good friend is a lawyer and he tells me that cops regularly violate your 4th amendment rights when they stop you and that is how a lot of people get busted.

He told me about 1 case where the cop's own dashboard cam was subpoenaed to show that the cop was lying about the guy swerving. The Judge simply said she didn't care.

So are you guys also fine with the cops violating people's Constitutional rights as is regularly done these days?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Why is it unreasonable? No nation has more drivers than the USA. No nation spends more time on the road than the USA. Alcohol usage and driving shouldn't even be a consideration. Thousands of ppl die every year at the hand of drunk drivers, despite the sobriety tests and punitive actions. Thousands would still be with their families, if not for another driver deciding it was okay to "have a few" and still drive. The first thing that goes after a few drinks is a persons judgment.
Considering how many ppl drive and how urbanized this country is, I'm surprised it's not more punitive.
Drinking isn't a right. Driving is a privilege. The two should never be mixed.
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Why is it unreasonable? No nation has more drivers than the USA. No nation spends more time on the road than the USA. Alcohol usage and driving shouldn't even be a consideration. Thousands of ppl die every year at the hand of drunk drivers, despite the sobriety tests and punitive actions. Thousands would still be with their families, if not for another driver deciding it was okay to "have a few" and still drive. The first thing that goes after a few drinks is a persons judgment.
Considering how many ppl drive and how urbanized this country is, I'm surprised it's not more punitive.
Drinking isn't a right. Driving is a privilege. The two should never be mixed.
Again, this is unreasonable. Alcohol has been a part of most cultures for as long as there has been cultures. In most states driving is an inescapable part of daily life. The two are bound to cross paths at one time or another. And in fairness, that is why we really don't have a zero tolerance. That is why the limit is .08% and not 0%.

The fact is drunk driving is nowhere near the problem it is made out to be. The statistics you hear about are not factual - they are propaganda. The fact is, there are bars on every corner and they all have parking lots, so on any given day there are a lot of people driving who have imbibed. Some of these people are bound, like anyone else, to get into a fender bender. But when they do, the guy who drank even one beer is automatically at fault and it is automatically ruled "alcohol related." So, it is easy to concoct misleading statistics to make something look more serious than it really is.

Now, regarding the instances in which people who get killed by drunks, every one is a tragedy. But as with all tragedies we must be careful of a phenomenon known as misleading vividness. This is the tendency for people to come to exaggerated and irrational conclusions based on a few particularly vivid events. Never attending a sporting even because a fan once died at one would be an example.

The fact is, if you take a survey, few people you know or meet know someone who was ever in an accident caused by a drunk. Even if they were the accident may in reality not have been caused by the drunk.

But again, I am not defending people who irresponsibly drink and drive. I am just saying that driving with a buzz can be done responsibly. Lots of people do it and lots of people can continue to do so without endangering anyone. Laws ought to be based on what people are actually doing wrong, not what they could conceivably do wrong. And people should never be prosecuted "one size fits all" because it is expedient for the authorities. That is what we are really discussing here. We are discussing lumping minor offenders with the worst offenders simply because it is more expedient to do so.

It is never OK to allow the Government to act in this manner. If you disagree then you must apply the same standard to everything. You must also agree that a guy with one joint should be treated the same as a guy caught with 10 tones of weed.

The bottom line is that there are better ways to punish offenders than by pulling them in and churning the system. Up to say .10 could be $100 fine. After that $250 up to .15 at which time more severe punishment could be considered. They should also consider mitigating factors such as distance driven and time and place. Driving one mile on a back woods road is clearly less dangerous than driving in Manhattan in the middle of the day.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Look Rick, science has come down on alcohol and has proven its detrimental effects beyond reproach.

So alcohol has been around a long time..... cars haven't. That changes things.

It's simply not acceptable to have a few and continue to operate a high speed vehicle on public roads.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
so what do you suggest? everyone take a drunk limit test when they get their license? :-?

i hear your argument and it does make a little sense. but what more could the lawmakers do? drunk drivers DO kill people so some type of system must be in place.


suggestion here, ... ______________

still trolling, rick? :sad:
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Look Rick, science has come down on alcohol and has proven its detrimental effects beyond reproach.

So alcohol has been around a long time..... cars haven't. That changes things.

It's simply not acceptable to have a few and continue to operate a high speed vehicle on public roads.
Simply restating your point doesn't make it stronger. Science hasn't proved anything. The statistics are fraudulent. Science has proved that the elderly have slowed reflexes. By the same logic we should all lose our license at 65. Would you also support that?

Since you insist on a Draconian approach, shouldn't you be in jail since you operate those same high speed vehicles with THC in your system contrary to those same laws?

You can't have it both ways.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

New Member
You should see the pole he smokes.

It has such a heavenly caress.

I vote I believe everyone over 65 deserves free, convenient public transportation.
 

skunkman98536

Well-Known Member
alchohol is good, but marijuana is GREAT

i HATE, HATE, HATE the laws instilled in the local, county, state, and federal judicial systems. They are so vague therefore do not suffice the re-occuring probelms still happening in EVERYONE's community. It is really sad when you have to consistantly watch over your back in fear of the law trying to put something on you. Everyone here should leave thier current states, we buy an island, and rule under our own juristiction. Everyone on this site seems to be pretty intellegent for the most part anyway. We could BANK off of tourists coming to OUR island for a little R&R. man .... ina perfect world...but i guess anything is worth fighting for as long as there is but one fool to fight for it(William Turner, Pirates of carribean)<----what? .. have to give credit wherecredit is due :):-P
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Simply restating your point doesn't make it stronger. Science hasn't proved anything. The statistics are fraudulent. Science has proved that the elderly have slowed reflexes. By the same logic we should all lose our license at 65. Would you also support that?

Since you insist on a Draconian approach, shouldn't you be in jail since you operate those same high speed vehicles with THC in your system contrary to those same laws?

You can't have it both ways.

so what do you suggest? :neutral:



one last try. :bigjoint:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Everybody can drink as much as they want, but they have to drive bumper cars on the freeway....little tiny drunk bumper cars. The rest of us get to use our vehicles.

I can think of a few great road games already.....
 

MediMary

Well-Known Member
100% wrong. Despite being a violation of your Constitutional rights, cops will pull you over based on being well dressed and groomed at 2am (evidence of having been at a bar or social occasion). They will have determined that you have been drinking before even approaching the vehicle. They will then make up 3 indicia of intoxication whether it is there or not, such as glassy eyes and odor of intoxicants. Then they ask you to perform so called tests which are really an interrogation designed to trick you into incriminating yourself.

If you ask for a lawyer which is another Constitutional right they will get all bent out of shape and begin threatening you. They will then make up more lies and arrest you for having the nerve to excises your Constitutional rights and they will lie to the judge in order to obtain a warrant to draw blood. If they then find any illegal substance in your blood you are hosed. They might even charge you with possession as well.

Then when you go to court, there will be a bunch of brainwashed sheep like yourself on the jury who will ignore the fact that your rights were violated and convict you.

In the end, either you agree with the law the way it is written or you don't. If you do, you must aside from not drinking, refrain from driving for up to a month until all THC is out of your system assuming you smoke pot.

Since most of you smoke weed and probably drive every day, most of you are guilty of DUI every day. I fail to see how people who commit a DUI every time they get behind the wheel can lecture others about it. I believe they call that hypocrisy.
+rep

wow, sounds like a nightly thing for you. :clap:

intelligent response:dunce:
So Fdd2blkk im guessing you dont drive?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
+rep




intelligent response:dunce:
So Fdd2blkk im guessing you dont drive?
i drive, and i'm fucking STONED. have a pipe in my lap. most of my glass gets broken exiting a vehicle.



i'm really not here to argue. it honestly sounds like rick is a daily drunk driver with numerous DUI's. am i wrong? i wanted to hear some of his ideas. he seems to have none and now will reply to this with yet another insult. where is all this leading? :leaf:
 

Woodstock.Hippie

New Member
Leading back to Rick's objection in the original post

"cops are doing is just randomly pulling over people who stopped off for happy hour, sticking their alcohol sniffing flashlights in the car and arresting people who are no danger to anyone and screwing their whole life up."

I object to the same practice, as I believe most Stoners do.

It has nothing really to do with any UI in particular.

I believe Rick feels frustrated because he believes this has to stop, but doesn't know how to make it happen.

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fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i'm medicated 24/7, it's part of my pain therapy. i'm medical so i don't now how it would go over in court. of course i test dirty, i'm medical. i have a legal right to smoke. they law says i'm not to drive "within 4 hours of smoking". smoking what? b grade? top shelf "medical"? how about hash?


rick just wants to argue. :roll:
 

Straight up G

New Member
i'm medicated 24/7, it's part of my pain therapy. i'm medical so i don't now how it would go over in court. of course i test dirty, i'm medical. i have a legal right to smoke. they law says i'm not to drive "within 4 hours of smoking". smoking what? b grade? top shelf "medical"? how about hash?


rick just wants to argue. :roll:
Pain therapy for what?
 
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