what bulb to use with lowrider
- Thread starter allen bud
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Starting a lowrider-ak 47 hybred and was wondering what bulb to use seeing its autoflowering and a constant 20 on 4 off light cycle??any help whould be sweet !
CHILLINxWITHxMARLEY
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In my opinion HPS (High Pressure Sodium) is the best for your money no matter what, t5 fluorescent for cloning but yeah... Here is a scale on light size and i also got a site with 10% off all products... they are trusted...
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| Wattage | Coverage | Height above plants|
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| 150...... | 2x2 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet........... |
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| 175...... | 2x2 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet............ |
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| 250...... | 3x3 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet............ |
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| 400...... | 5x5 sq ft.. | 4 feet................... |
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| 600...... | 6x6 sq ft.. | 4 feet................... |
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| 1000.... | 8x8 sq ft.. | 4 to 6 feet ........... |
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| Wattage | Coverage | Height above plants|
|________|_________|________________|
| 150...... | 2x2 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet........... |
|________|_________|________________|
| 175...... | 2x2 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet............ |
|________|_________|________________|
| 250...... | 3x3 sq ft.. | 2 to 3 feet............ |
|________|_________|________________|
| 400...... | 5x5 sq ft.. | 4 feet................... |
|________|_________|________________|
| 600...... | 6x6 sq ft.. | 4 feet................... |
|________|_________|________________|
| 1000.... | 8x8 sq ft.. | 4 to 6 feet ........... |
|________|_________|________________|
I made the table just for you... NOW FEEL SPECIAL! lol jk
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/grow-light-hps-grow-lights-c-132_192.html?zenid=d2a7ff224ac9eeeb78d4e9e7a491d6f8
Coupons:
code: ProWebs 5$ off on all purchases, first purchase
code: GetGreen 10% off all purchases 50$ or more
Hope it helps
FreddieMercury
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i wud say metal halide or cfls for vegg, and deff hps for flowering, EYE HORTILUX BULBS ARE THE BEST
darkdestruction420
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use 3(preferably more) 2700k 42w cfls and 1(again, preferabley more) 6500k 42w cfl per plant. i use a mixed spectrum myself. following the ratio i gave earlier-1 blue for every 3 2700k you have. spectrum is not really as important as people like to think. lol. ive used only 2700k for veg and then only 6500k in veg, and it doesnt make a bit of difference imo. virtually identical results. the mixed spectrum really did kinda shock me at how much differece it made over just using one spectrum though.
darkdestruction420
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how many do you plan on growing and how big is your grow area? somehow i forgot to ask that in my first post.
super2200
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I think if I had my 400w 4ft away my plants would stretch like crazy and 4-6 for 1000w? this chart is way off imo. I think you will get the coverage you posted with the lights that far away but the plants would be tall and thin for sure. I have my 1000w hps less than 18inches from the tops of my plants
darkdestruction420
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thats alot of space for just 2 lowryder plants, especially w/cfls......get a 400w cooltubes hps and grow 6-8 in that area.
super2200
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Is the power consumption the same for the Cfl as Hps if I switch to a 4ft T5 setup? I am thinking about changing for veg and stop using HID and killing my power bill. If its the same I may not
also I believe you will find better lighting prices here
http://www.dchydro.com/category/BST0/Grow-Light-Ballasts/
darkdestruction420
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the watts it uses are identical, if thats what you mean, a 400w hps and 400w of cfls is still 400w no matter how ya look at it. cfls are not as efficient as hps, they take more watts to put out as much light as an hps.(ex. 400w of cfls gives off about 28,000 lumens(average) hps gives off about(approx. some models differ) 50,000 lumens.)
super2200
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Yah I will stick with the HID then and just deal with the heat. Winter coming anyway not as hard to deal with. I am waiting for one of my spots to clear so I can do a seed grow with 10 LR2 seeds I just got
darkdestruction420
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heres a good priced 400w imo, 2nd one comes w/eerything you need pretty much. except the cooltube.
http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47929
http://www.htgsupply.com/growlights.asp?categoryID=1&subcategoryID=155&typeID=55
super2200
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lol in my efforts to get started I was buying the small ones and then drooling over the larger and upgrading so now I already have a 150,400,600 and 1000w its all good because I now just use the 1000 alongside my 600 for flowering so they are both off for a full 12. Just using the 400 now after 150 on WW clones. I have to scale it down a bit as I am now getting 100% success rooting my clones so I have quite a few waiting.
allen bud
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Dark , you think 4 plants in the area , witch after mesering is like 3x3 by 4 high, useing 400 watt hps..and should i start them with cfls.i have 6 lower watt cfls that i used for my last bag seed grow and they worked very good !but i just want to start plant for a week or so then switch to hps ? is that good or bad....
darkdestruction420
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sounds good. let us know how they do.
allen bud
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well iam at week 2 and half and now starting to bud(looks funny ..see pics....Ok curly leaf problem could be as such , I got a 4 way tester and got thes results
water moister level good
light purfect
ph at 7
furtility LOW.
So i have uped the amount to 3 tsp per gallon of FLORALICIOUS bloom and half tsp FLORALICIOUS grow..the bloom is 1-1-1
and still fertiity is a little to low hmmm..going to feed it 1 more time with this mix and check again.
I also started plant 2 today and using soil for this 1..after checking soil it is perfect fertility and ph so am exited to see how much quicker and bigger this 1 grow.Using 2 tsp of bloom in this plant for water (no pics of new plant yet.just germed and in soil now ,when she pops there will be pics )
water moister level good
light purfect
ph at 7
furtility LOW.
So i have uped the amount to 3 tsp per gallon of FLORALICIOUS bloom and half tsp FLORALICIOUS grow..the bloom is 1-1-1
and still fertiity is a little to low hmmm..going to feed it 1 more time with this mix and check again.
I also started plant 2 today and using soil for this 1..after checking soil it is perfect fertility and ph so am exited to see how much quicker and bigger this 1 grow.Using 2 tsp of bloom in this plant for water (no pics of new plant yet.just germed and in soil now ,when she pops there will be pics )
LOL
yea dude HPS makes plants stretch because lots of them lack blue spectrum and even most blue spectrum added bulbs dont put off enough to stop the plants from still stretchin a lil..it just cuts down on it a lot..
The best bet for an autoflower IMO is a Ceramic Metal halide, a Phillips MasterColor (or Master Color, but I think MasterColor) --
They put off pretty good blue and ultraviolet with more intense light from the yellow/orange/red range with a good peak on the 570nm-590nm area of the spectrum.. as you can see in the spectral graph:
Don't listen to that idiot that's trying to make you 'feel special', he's a reseller of that site and he's looking around on here to try and poach a few customers while not getting banned by acting like a user.
Look at the pathetic prices on those..and THAT'S TEN PERCENT OFF?!
Go to E-bay..
If you want to use a retailer and dont need a cooled hood go with insidesun.com they have cheap 250/400w HPS or MH lights -- however they use a magnetic (hummmmmmmming) ballast, however compared to the ventillation fans it is negligible. There's debate about which is safer, but many claim it's digital ballass..
http://www.insidesun.com/Super_Economy_400_Watt_MH_65a26e.item
that's to their $99 400w HPS..
I think the Phillips colormax is meant to run on HPS ballasts..
I am one of those who think it's digital ballasts..
They sell kits on sites like HID hut with an air cooled reflector for the same price as that guy lists for those all-in-one heat machines..
http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/hid-hut-light-kits-c-25_49.html?page=2&sort=2a
They sell a cool tube + 400w MH/HPS digital ballast + bulb for $244 or economy reflector instead for $200..
Those are cheaper digital ballasts and many will reccomend not getting "made in china pieces of crap"..
I don't know what those ballasts are..but I have a made in china piece of crap that looks similar (but is a diff brand I think) and it runs excellent..
It's Welthink brand and I got it on E-Bay for $75 when the guy who runs daystarhid.com was selling them on there brand new for $85 shipped..
(gave him a private offer)
It's worked excellent for me so far..
The case gets a little warmer than my other ballast because it doesn't have a fan..however..IT DOESN'T RELY ON A FAN THAT CAN BREAK! =) I like that..
As far as the heat difference my other one stays 8-12 degrees above room temp and this one stays 15-20degrees (fahrenheit) which is still max 100 deg (i've seen it hit 94f max actually), which isn't hot to the touch or anything.. but warmer than one that relies on a fan.
Fans are pretty reliable though..
But I've had my share not be regarding computer case fans..and these seem similar.
By the way the difference in heat from a digital/magnetic ballast is negligible as far as how much it will heat a room, however magnetic ballasts tend to not have such broad and even heat dissipation so as far as how hot they get to-the-touch on a single point can be much hotter..
A magnetic ballast is said to put out more light/better light than a digital one..some say it's the other way around..
I believe the magnetic does.. but I believe the difference is negligible, and, that in regards to how much light a bulb is going to put out over a 1 year period of 12 hour a day usage I believe the digital will be the winner, as the harsher starting methods of a magnetic ballast causes bulb degradation to happen more quickly..
I hope this helps..
But I bet it's TL;DR
-J
Oh sorry read the rest haha you already ordered it =)
What are ya gonna go with on it?
I'm thinkin about doin some autoflowers myself..
I've been reading journals on autoflowers and have noticed that people with a metal halide at the beginning 2-4 weeks w/ a switch to HPS get better looking buds IMO..I have only seen one grow journal using a phillips master color retro bulb on an autoflower but it came out far better than any I have ever seen and I definitely want to replicate the results =P
All the results I have seen using HPS start->finish have been good though. Some even really really exceptional!
I have liked the 20on/4off light pattern for autoflower after all the journals I have read..those people get way more and better looking bud..
These plants dont need a certain light pattern to flower so take advantage that they can use all the light you can give 'em and only need a small resting period to recover..it's really not even 4 hours!
I will definitely keep an eye on your thread =)
-J
What are ya gonna go with on it?
I'm thinkin about doin some autoflowers myself..
I've been reading journals on autoflowers and have noticed that people with a metal halide at the beginning 2-4 weeks w/ a switch to HPS get better looking buds IMO..I have only seen one grow journal using a phillips master color retro bulb on an autoflower but it came out far better than any I have ever seen and I definitely want to replicate the results =P
All the results I have seen using HPS start->finish have been good though. Some even really really exceptional!
I have liked the 20on/4off light pattern for autoflower after all the journals I have read..those people get way more and better looking bud..
These plants dont need a certain light pattern to flower so take advantage that they can use all the light you can give 'em and only need a small resting period to recover..it's really not even 4 hours!
I will definitely keep an eye on your thread =)
-J