the answer to how much will i yield

mogie

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How much will I yield?
"I have XXX watts...how much will I yield?" or "How can I get bigger yields?"

A common inquiry. From ambitious new gardeners and for good reason too. But, this is really a loaded question that doesn't have a definite answer. It seems one of the first assumptions by new gardeners is that loads of light automatically equals loads of buds. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. Yield is equally contingent on a number of factors; light, temperature, humidity, water, nutrients, CO2/ventilation, genetics, etc. Think of it as an engine, with each factor of cultivation representing a single piston, sure the engine will run if some of the cylinders are misfiring or not firing at all, but to yield the most power from that engine, all cylinders must be firing in sync and at maximum capacity.

Temperature. Most cannabis plants will slow or cease growth when temp's get above 85F, or below 65f. Optimal lights-on temp for most strains is about 72-78F, with 5-10 degrees cooler during the dark period being a good rule of thumb.

Humidity. Cannabis does best around 45%-55% RH (relative humidity).
During veg and late flower, however letting it drop lower during the final two weeks of flower is advised, as it will help prevent mould problems.

Water/moisture. Cannabis generally doesn't like "wet feet", or a soggy environment, so it's very important to have a fast draining soil/soil-less mix (or well aerated solution in a hydro garden). Wet or damp conditions can also lead to mould problems during flowering.

Nutrients. Cannabis will require a variety of nutrients at varying NPK ratios during its existence. NPK stand for; nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K)-the three major nutrients used by plants. Simply put, your plants will need a fertilizer with more N than P and K during vegetative growth and fertilizer with more P than N and K during flowering. Using any well-known quality fertilizer applied per instruction @ ½ strength is a good place to start. Organic, chemical, or somewhere in-between is another choice to be made and is a totally personal one. There is a plethora of fertilizers on the market, but the best fertilizer is the one that's used properly.

CO2/ventilation. Plants require CO2. There is sufficient CO2 in our atmosphere to support massive bud growth, but when growing inside you must either have adequate ventilation (the volume of the room exhausted at least once/5 minutes) to ensure that there is a constant supply of fresh, CO2 enriched air or one must have supplemental CO2, which requires higher temp's and more nutrients to be utilized effectively.

Light. Typically, the more the merrier, but more light will create stronger water, nutrient, and CO2 demands on the plants. You must also have the proper spectrum of lighting as well as a means of efficiently reflecting as much of the light as possible into the garden\'s canopy. The norm is to use more bluish light (Metal Halide, cool-white fluorescents) for vegetative growth and more reddish (High Pressure sodium, warm fluoro's) light for flowering. Though it's possible to grow great buds under fluorescent lighting and a few will even argue their superiority to HID's, most indoor growers use High Intensity Discharge lights such as MH and HPS, and many use fluoro's for vegetative growth and HPS for flowering. It's very important to have the light as physically close to the canopy as possible without burning the foliage and still allowing for even coverage.Many new growers believe that "Droppin the light" closer to the plant will be beneficial. Besides heat stress, the bulb puts out radiant energy that causes leaf burn (Note it is possible to complete a grow using just HPS or MH)

Genetics. Its an easily overlooked factor. Some strains simply have the potential to yield more than others. Having a heavy-yielding strain doesn't automatically equal big yields, either. It only means that the potential for heavy yields is there. The grower must provide the optimum environment for that particular strain in order for it to be able to reach it's yield potential, and each strain has slightly unique requirements. Also, within a strain there are usually several phenotypes, each of which will exhibit unique characteristics which is to say that some pheno\'s of a particular strain will weigh more than others.

Plant/root/container size. Obviously, the longer a plant is veg'd, the bigger it will get and the more it will yield. Almost always overlooked because they're unseen are the roots. Root mass is directly related to bud production. Simply put, the more roots you have the more bud you will (potentially) have. Be sure to always allow plenty of space for the roots to grow and spread out, even more-so in soil A general rule of thumb is 1 gallon of soil for every foot of plant height.

System.
Scrog/Sog/Vertical gardens
These systems have a higher g/w/time yield than comparable large plant system over the same time period.

Grower's skill. Growers can add yield by: using additives (like B1, kelp, enzymes), foliar feeding, and topping/FIM/

In addition. Tricks like keeping nutrients and the air temps warm during night cycle can help final yield. Although it's a topic of hot debate, it's generally thought that any system that supplies the roots with maximum oxygen (aeroponics) would outperform a system that restricts 02 input such as (soil).
So, as you can see there's much more to yield than throwing some plants under tons of light with tons of nutes. Before one becomes too concerned with yield, one must first learn how to grow plants well, learn how to "listen" to the plants and give them just what they need. It's best to start with simpler methods, in fact, I think the simpler method is always the better one. Learn how to grow strong, healthy, fast-growing plants and the yields will come.
 

TheConstantGardner

Well-Known Member
"...the best fertilizer is the one that's used properly."

"Think of it as an engine, with each factor of cultivation representing a single piston, sure the engine will run if some of the cylinders are misfiring or not firing at all, but to yield the most power from that engine, all cylinders must be firing in sync and at maximum capacity."

OMG, comments like this should be pasted everywhere on the site.

A+ Post Mogie!
 

Spittn4cash

Well-Known Member
whats funny is there has been many times mogie has posted great threads like this but no one has paid attention to them. But this is still a great thread nonetheless, and mogie is still my #1 poster on this site.
+rep
:peace:
 

JJgrands

Active Member
Returning to the contemplative question of yield, let us phrase it in a way to solidify all but the relevant unknown. Bear with me as I elaborate on what I see to be the questions pertaining to yield dynamics.

The internal combustion analogy for cannabis cultivation however apt, the relation between variables is likely more related to that among the wheels and the alternator than among the pistons themselves. Each is not equal among the variances in cultivation technique. All other things controlledl, for example, tying a plant down might be considered to at maximum increase yield by xx % under a particular set of conditions for the other variables. First consider the alterations anyone could make to a grow room, any conceivable growing scenarion, from outdoor wild to inside your cellphone.

Specifically, variables for a particular strain according to plant height/age/maturity/development prior to budding(1), container size/root mass development/soil space(2), Photosynthesis efficiency (3)**(light/water/nutes/air-soil/co2) and finally the care (4) (watering frequency, variation in environment control delivery hydro/soil/aero/outdoor/etc, photoperiod variance)

Thus let us work with four general categories to classify yield variables as we attempt to gain understanding and insight to not only what produces the best cannabis period, but also what specifically newbie growers strapped for cash can best reap rewards from their efforts by focusing on. What I mean is, would it be better to get a high powered light, a better soil mixture, a more refined ppm in your hydro, or let the plant grow for a month more? By considering these variables as we go step by step to realize the "optimum", we can then analyze the range in variation for each issue. Thus, if watering your plants too frequently is deathly critical, it is clearly a lower eschelon limit to maximized development. Meaning that, a tiered structure with diminishing returns as you go ever higher towards increased yield exists. I seek to understand how it is formed, and what least productive ventures (yet only applicable to the otherwise perfectly situated plants) are left to masters, and what environmental concerns for the plant are most critically relevant (must have x light).

Class 1 : AGE (preparation for bud)
The age for a cannabis plant in my mind represents the absolute optimum growing conditions (perfect outdoor sunlight with perfect soil mix/photoperiod etc for the strain) result over a period of time. It has been put forth, and I tend to agree, that marijuana plants grow as a result of the environment enabling the growth, and not as a linear time function. Thus, only when considering the set of {x,y,z} conditions that would produce the optimum groewth rate can we think of this specific class as truly "age". For undernourished, improperly lit, or stressed plants will clearly show development not apt for their age. So height best represents the function of age as measurable. Then again, height is relevant to training and pruning, whereas a more general consideration of development would be more apt. If an unpruned untied single cola plant grew to be 5 foot in 2 months, but a heavily pruned and trained bush was 2 feet tall but stacked with 8-12 branched out, tied down colas, the concept of height would not be a very good representation of yield capacity variance. Here, one might consider a permutation of paths of options for plant development. Cut, cut, tie, etc. Whereas the optimum for each strain might exist in each scenario, the MANNER about which the plant IS grown is not relevant to this variable. The age of the plant best represents :
The Development Level Prior To Budding/ Pre Flower Maturity

Class 2 Container Size

Clearly this is simple to explain. In the world of pots, what shape and size. In the outdoors, the infinite soil of an endless ploughed field representing the max, and a tiny rockwool cube representing the practical minimum. Here, with containers, we will assume pot size root training through transplantation has been utilized to full effectiveness. So then, we can assume when we ask what a 3 gallon pot vs a 5 gallon pot might yield with xyz other controls, we know we allowed the roots to encroach smaller pot limits to properly entrench in the soil. Thus, Container size is just that, container size.

Class 3 Represents Growth Conditions
Here all factors relevant to thew plant growth are considered. The supply of all npk, trace, gas and unlisted symbiotic mycorazze soil populations along with light and stable humidothermal factors. To oversimplify, each strain might have a yet to be discovered optimum for this whole class. Locking all other variables, and then each other withing this own class, will result in the capacity to measure the significance of variation. Clearly, many growers post on this forum about their various experiments. Thus this might best represent
Quantitative Growing Variables (Ideal Native Out Door)

Class 4 Human Care
The human involvement in an unvisited outdoor grow would be taken care of by mother nature. The mix of soil, the light period, thge temperature, the air, if a deer ate it. You have to do alot to take care of the plant if you thiunk about it. Lots of people would just take it if they saw it. So thus, from watering properly, to exactly when you feed, this humongous class encompasses all things humans can do for the plants to best get close to what God does. So ideally, we dont fuck it up at all, but in reality, each factor here represents not the temperature or the humidity per se, but specifically the PATTERN of variables ecxpression. If each plant's water and nutrient needs and how they affect yield are class 3 variables, the proper frequency of feeding (or better yet the maintenence of an organic soil that would constantly maintain the presence of optimum plant fee nutrients). Thus Care encompasses Recreating Natural Envrions (Failing To)



So, with this rubrick in consideration, now we can contemplate yield questions with slightly more verisimmilitude. I want to define all variables in their limiting relevance. Thus most things not prone to excess negative results, can be thought of as having "at least". Sadly this oversimplification easily falls apart, and clearly a balance among all factors is necessary, some accepting a more limited variability than others (soil ph). so.....

You fag ass bitches who write 500 page grow journals that dont list yields in weight, how hard is it to answer a ficking question? So ive seen shitloads of perfectly phrased and fine questions asked and rudely responded to with elitist snobbery. Heres my question, answer it if you dare (or are you ashamed??) and then lets bring some REAL YIELD discussion here, cus what the fuck else we doing here if not TRYING TO GROW MORE WEED. GROW MORE. LESS STUFF! MORE GANJ! ahem....

So.... simple question all you hard core vets who can claim glory day stories...

HOW MUCH IS THE MOST YOU EVER YIELDED IN WHATEVER SCENARION EVER (outdoor,indoor,mars) OFF ONE SINGLE PLANT (tied/not tied, topped/not topped/ pruned/ not pruned/ 1 week old/ 100 years old) IN ONE SINGLE THREE GALLON POT (any conditions, any straing, any time, any light, most)?
AND LIST ALL VARIABLES YOU CARE TO!! THANK YOU!!!


ill go first
How much off most for 3 galllon? dont know ill let you know in a couple weeks
Bettin on og soil 3 gallon under mix of 400 w mh and hp with 9 sq ft area all to herself extensively tied down seed start from first week in july bushy purple cross with skunk. So bitches, answer it, 3 gallon. how much. what scenarion. ANSWER IT! YIELD HOW MUCH WILL I YIELD WITH XXX BITCHES!
 

BeachGrower79

Well-Known Member
ok.well,when my plants show one single negative effect, i will post and let everyone know. it is a personal experiment that has only showed positive results.
 
ok.well,when my plants show one single negative effect, i will post and let everyone know. it is a personal experiment that has only showed positive results.
CO2 is a by-product of cellular respiration that occurs in every area of the plant. It's completely useless to any part of the plant that doesn't have access to light and chlorophyll.

However, CO2 will react with the water to make carbonic acid

H20 + CO2 - H2CO3

this will lower the ph.

(anyone remember acid rain?)

If the ph was previously running too high (above 6.5) the carbonic acid may be able to bring it down to a level that would make needed nutrients more available for uptake.

Just a thought, and a stoned one at that, so don't take it too seriously.;:joint:
 
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