Humans are more detrimental to nature than nuclear meltdown.

tnrtinr

tnrtinr

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I just watched a great documentary - Chernobyl: Life In The Dead Zone.

They took a nature camera crew into Chernobyl to see the effect that radiation had on the animals. What they found was not only are the animals healthy but they are thriving. There are even some endangered indigenous species that are returning to the area that had left when Chernobyl was developed.

Fascinating to see nature re-claiming her land and how detrimental to nature that humans are just by being around.

Next time that it will be on is Dec. 2nd on HD Theater. You can set an e-mail reminder on the link below. Just click the box and enter your email address in the box and click Submit.
http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=66.12341.119981.0.0
 
Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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Not all humans are detrimental

greedy ones, perhaps

Humans most definitely affect their universes.

If the regrowth interested you, check out information on South American Indians.

They farmed South America on a grand scale beyond the experience of most of humanity, yet what is visible today?

We believe it is Good to be in tune with natural cycles if you have perpetuation in mind.

I would like to understand the Chernobyl mutations.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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http://www.kiddofspeed.com/

Lots of cool pics of the area.

The thing about thriving wildlife is that the wildlife you see now is not the wildlife that was there before the meltdown. Radiation would have decimated populations and those that survived to produce offspring would have birthed both viable and non-viable young. Those who had the gene expressions or point mutuations which allowed them to resist radiation would have gone on to produce further viable offspring. With most small animals capable of reproducing several times a year, and medium sized animals often maturing in their first two years, and no human interference it would be easily possible for animals to repopulate at nearly exponential rates. At least until an evolutionary stable system was achieved and their ability to procure food balanced their ability to reproduce.

We could see the same thing with humans given adequate time to observe generations reproducing in that scenario. Though it would be much harder for a late maturing organism like a human to produce gametes that had not incurred a significant amount of damage before breeding occurred.

And the number of Incredible Hulks running around would make observation very dangerous.
 
Abnjm

Abnjm

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morgentaler said:
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/

Lots of cool pics of the area.

The thing about thriving wildlife is that the wildlife you see now is not the wildlife that was there before the meltdown. Radiation would have decimated populations and those that survived to produce offspring would have birthed both viable and non-viable young. Those who had the gene expressions or point mutuations which allowed them to resist radiation would have gone on to produce further viable offspring. With most small animals capable of reproducing several times a year, and medium sized animals often maturing in their first two years, and no human interference it would be easily possible for animals to repopulate at nearly exponential rates. At least until an evolutionary stable system was achieved and their ability to procure food balanced their ability to reproduce.

We could see the same thing with humans given adequate time to observe generations reproducing in that scenario. Though it would be much harder for a late maturing organism like a human to produce gametes that had not incurred a significant amount of damage before breeding occurred.

And the number of Incredible Hulks running around would make observation very dangerous.
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Not only does Elena drive motorcycles through the nuclear wastelands, she also spends her weekends on old WWII battlefields digging up old munitions. Been following her for a few years....
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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Has she noticed you're following her?

There might be some danger in stalking a woman who handles unstable explosives :)
 
Abnjm

Abnjm

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morgentaler said:
Has she noticed you're following her?

There might be some danger in stalking a woman who handles unstable explosives :)
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And drives bikes through nuclear wastelands..... :fire:

One of her posts links to a good story about the whole Chernobyl debacle. Russian soldiers went into the irradiated areas knowing they would die, but also knowing others would die if they didn't go in to get it under control.

I'm not a stalker, but I did have an email conversation with her about the underwater bunkers they had run into. I do some cave diving, and I thought it would be a cool place to explore. (Not allowed by the government.)
 
Vindicated

Vindicated

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I disagree. We may kill and threaten species that live near us, like lions threatening the hyenas. Or bees that threaten mosquitos or even ants that wage war against the termites. But unlike these other species, we have a powerful culture that breads intelligence. Birds and bees can't fly to the moon, but humans can. So for all our faults, we might be the very thing that saves life.

We haven't made contact with alien life, so you can't yet rule out the possibility that we might be the first (and only) species that are capable of saving life on Earth from a mass extinction. An astroid, a near by super nova, or a direct hit from a gamma ray that shot from a super massive black hole can destroy our entire planet. And if we manage to do as NASA envisioned back in JFK's day (and not let Congress fuck things up again) and terraform Mars, I think we'll prove our worth once and for all.
 
tebor

tebor

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One day the sun will burn out and none of this will matter. But probably an asteroid gonna kill us all before then.
Thats why I say fuck the earth.
Lets fuck her up real good before the whole thing goes up in flames.
Going Detrimental will be the next in thing once this green thing blows over.
 
tnrtinr

tnrtinr

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Wednesday, December, 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM ET on Discovery HD

Chernobyl: Life In The Dead Zone


The site of the world's worst nuclear accident was hastily abandoned by panic-stricken humans over 20 years ago. Only a number of house pets and indigenous wild animals remained. To the surprise of scientists, they have not only survived, but thrived.
 
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