Only 38% support Obamacare

[OregonMeds]

If you had actually read and understood the article you wouldn't have said a thing about it Jeff, because it doesn't support your position from any angle.

"suggestion, when you are trying to pack sand up my ass, get a source that makes your point.

"

I was thinking exactly the same thing. That article doesn't say anything like what you are reading into it. Nobody makes anyone move anywhere little buddy.

Just for the record a three year old article is more recent than the four year old article it countered. And I explained already that I used that article because it was the very first hit on a google search, I didn't go digging for some obscure thing to support my position.

 

[jeff f]

If you had actually read and understood the article you wouldn't have said a thing about it Jeff, because it doesn't support your position from any angle.

"suggestion, when you are trying to pack sand up my ass, get a source that makes your point.

"

I was thinking exactly the same thing. That article doesn't say anything like what you are reading into it. Nobody makes anyone move anywhere little buddy.

Just for the record a three year old article is more recent than the four year old article it countered. And I explained already that I used that article because it was the very first hit on a google search, I didn't go digging for some obscure thing to support my position.

The United Kingdom's surplus of doctors could solve the physician shortage in Canada, the British Medical Association has suggested.
It's predicted Britain will have a surplus of 3,200 medical specialists by 2010. The British Medical Association told reporters in London on Thursday that if those specialists can't find jobs in the United Kingdom, they might consider moving to Canada.

thats your text. it says uk surplus to solve canada problem. yep, just read it again, still says british doctors should consider moving to canada. yep, just read it again, still there.....yep...wait...yep still there.'''


the point is, you are saying that socialized medicine is great. right there in black and white it says, canada doesnt have enough physicians. your argument is that there are surpluses of docs. no, there arent. we know from YOUR SOURCE, that canada is short docs.

why pretell, do you think we have so many foreign doctors here in the US? think maybe because these people who have dedicated their lives to helping people in need, find it easier to do so in this system?

i am guessing if i go to other countries around the world, i am not gonna find a lot of american doctors in their hospitals unless its doing Gods work in some hell hole of a place like northern africa.

 

[OregonMeds]

We were talking about Britain, not Canada. Don't get all sidetracked it'll just confuse you.

"why pretell, do you think we have so many foreign doctors here in the US? think maybe because these people who have dedicated their lives to helping people in need, find it easier to do so in this system?"

No I'm more of a realist than that. They come because it's more PROFITABLE here, not because it's easier.

If they become doctors just for the sake of "helping people in need" then profit wouldn't be an issue now would it?


Get a real clue

 

[Rob Roy]

I wonder what the percentage of people is that support jailing somebody for refusing to be part of the nanny state healthcare plan? Anybody here that supports Obama and his cronies plan good with jailing people who say no?

 

[CrackerJax]

Britains socialized medicine program is BROKE!!!

Nuff said there....

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

This will help but only in part. Your question is a good one. I seached this under non-compliance / heath care. Pretty spooky.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JCTletter110509.pdf

If this passes all hell will break loose. It's criminal what they are doing. And illegals can use the system but not be penalized for not paying into the system. I guess this is our gift to all mankind - a gift made at gun piont literally.

 

[JustAnotherFriedDay]

When it is labeled "Obamacare", it necessarily draws in repuke votes. If labeled as healthcare reform, which it is, it recieves a more favorable vote. By labeling something to project hate or avarice, it attracts the more idiotic crowd of opposition to anything Obama. Hence the low numbers. Geeze people, do I really have to explain this?

And I could JUST as easily argue that Obama's name in the poll does the exact opposite for all the blind Obama supporters (yes, the ones who think Obama will pay their mortgage and all the others who support him HANDS DOWN NO MATTER WHAT).

So, again Med, your point is completely futile.

 

[CrackerJax]

That wasn't even a point!

 

[OregonMeds]

I wonder what the percentage of people is that support jailing somebody for refusing to be part of the nanny state healthcare plan? Anybody here that supports Obama and his cronies plan good with jailing people who say no?

I read the document linked above. It says it's a tax you have to pay if you fit certain criteria and if you fail to pay the tax then the penalties are exactly the same as not paying other taxes.

It also very clearly states you can opt out for religious conscious reasons legally and you're also not held to the tax if it would create a hardship financially or if you are under the threshold of minimum income.

If you own a home you are a dumbass not to insure it, I said that before. If you own a body it's the same damn thing. You may claim it's an unfair burden etc but in reality it will save many people from loosing everything they've worked their entire lives for when the shit hits the fan health wise.

You just never know when you might be struck by injury or illness and it's really not unusual these days for a serious problem to rack up a couple hundred thousand dollars or more in debt.

This plan helps you, and all of us, you stubborn funny people you.

It's not about putting people in jail but if you'd prefer to tangle with the IRS over it be my guest.

 

[JustAnotherFriedDay]

That wasn't even a point!

Well, he attempted to make it a point that Obama's name being in the poll is what makes the poll numbers so low.

Your right, not even a point.

However, good attempt Med. Keep spewing shit out of your ass maybe one of these days it will sound credible.

Everyone knows Obama is the president, so calling it Obamacare does nothing of value. It just associates the bad plan with Obama, as well it should. He's far left and the bill comes from a very far left congress.

 

[Rob Roy]

I read the document linked above. It says it's a tax you have to pay if you fit certain criteria and if you fail to pay the tax then the penalties are exactly the same as not paying other taxes.

It also very clearly states you can opt out for religious conscious reasons legally and you're also not held to the tax if it would create a hardship financially or if you are under the threshold of minimum income.

If you own a home you are a dumbass not to insure it, I said that before. If you own a body it's the same damn thing. You may claim it's an unfair burden etc but in reality it will save many people from loosing everything they've worked their entire lives for when the shit hits the fan health wise.

You just never know when you might be struck by injury or illness and it's really not unusual these days for a serious problem to rack up a couple hundred thousand dollars or more in debt.

This plan helps you, and all of us, you stubborn funny people you.

It's not about putting people in jail but if you'd prefer to tangle with the IRS over it be my guest.

You are attempting to justify why I need insurance. That's not my point.

Using your "but it's good for you" argument is the same "logic" they use to keep pot illegal. As long as I harm nobody, it is my natural RIGHT to own my body, my property and my labor. The fact that they use force to steal those rights, does not mean they are correct, it only means they have more guns.
You are aware that your blessed government incarcerates more people than any other country percentage wise? Land of the free? Sure.

I need freedom over my choices more than I need anything. When my choices and YOUR choices are taken, we aren't free. I won't be buying any insurance that's shoved up my ass, ever.

Forcing somebody to buy something they don't want is extortion. Legalizing extortion does not make it right. Oh and fuck the IRS too. Peace to you Oregon Meds.

 

[Illegal Smile]

I'm a conservative but I don't agree that you have the right to be without insurance or means to pay for healthcare AND then expect the public to cover it for you. it is unconstitutional to require anyone to buy a product, especially one being sold by the government. Those who are really in the safety net should just be put on medicare. Those who could have insurance and don't because it is their risk to take - fine. But if they rack up a big bill it should be paid by a fund that will then, in IRS fashion, come back on them to collect no matter how many years it takes.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm a conservative but I don't agree that you have the right to be without insurance or means to pay for healthcare AND then expect the public to cover it for you. it is unconstitutional to require anyone to buy a product, especially one being sold by the government. Those who are really in the safety net should just be put on medicare. Those who could have insurance and don't because it is their risk to take - fine. But if they rack up a big bill it should be paid by a fund that will then, in IRS fashion, come back on them to collect no matter how many years it takes.

How is the funding of medicare any different than the Obama proposed plan? The funding for both is based on money that is taken by government force isn't it?

Reread the first line in your post.

"...I don't agree that you have the right to be without insurance or means to
pay for healthcare and then expect the public to pay for it. " That's a great line, thank you.

Nobody has a RIGHT to the fruit of anothers labor. What is slavery? Slavery is when a person or group of people force another to labor on their behalf. Cognitive dissonance prevents most people from acknowledging the logical and obvious.

 

[Illegal Smile]

How is the funding of medicare any different than the Obama proposed plan? The funding for both is based on money that is taken by government force isn't it?

Reread the first line in your post.

"...I don't agree that you have the right to be without insurance or means to
pay for healthcare and then expect the public to pay for it. " That's a great line, thank you.

Nobody has a RIGHT to the fruit of anothers labor. What is slavery? Slavery is when a person or group of people force another to labor on their behalf. Cognitive dissonance prevents most people from acknowledging the logical and obvious.

No. I mean we need to take care of those who take care of themselves. I do not want this to be a country where people die for lack of food or shelter or healthcare. I'm saying those who are capable of taking care of themselves should do so. And that includes having insurance. And if you can afford insurance but don't buy it then expect to go into unavoidable debt if you need healthcare.

Let's not get to where people are thinking:

I could buy it myself but why should I when the government will cover me? Start that with healthcare and see how far it spreads.

Your argument is extremist and basically anarchy. I pay for other people's kids to go to school and don't mind. I pay for public institutions I'll never use and for roads I'll never drive on. That's part of making a workable society and so is basic healthcare. It is the dems who are trying to make this a debate about healthcare per se and it isn't.

 

[Rob Roy]

No. I mean we need to take care of those who take care of themselves. I do not want this to be a country where people die for lack of food or shelter or healthcare. I'm saying those who are capable of taking care of themselves should do so. And that includes having insurance. And if you can afford insurance but don't buy it then expect to go into unavoidable debt if you need healthcare.

Let's not get to where people are thinking:

I could buy it myself but why should I when the government will cover me? Start that with healthcare and see how far it spreads.

Your argument is extremist and basically anarchy. I pay for other people's kids to go to school and don't mind. I pay for public institutions I'll never use and for roads I'll never drive on. That's part of making a workable society and so is basic healthcare. It is the dems who are trying to make this a debate about healthcare per se and it isn't.

I pay for others kids to go to school and I do mind. That doesn't mean I oppose education, it means I oppose being made to pay for something I don't use at the point of a gun. My argument there is consistent with many people that argue against being forced to pay for healthcare for others.

A workable society? Is that what we have? Then why does the U.S. incarcerate more of it's citizens than any other country? Because we have the MOST government.

 

[Illegal Smile]

I pay for others kids to go to school and I do mind. That doesn't mean I oppose education, it means I oppose being made to pay for something I don't use at the point of a gun. My argument there is consistent with many people that argue against being forced to pay for healthcare for others.

A workable society? Is that what we have? Then why does the U.S. incarcerate more of it's citizens than any other country? Because we have the MOST government.

Liberals take note: many posters are way to the right of me.

 

[CrackerJax]

I pay for others kids to go to school and I do mind. That doesn't mean I oppose education, it means I oppose being made to pay for something I don't use at the point of a gun. My argument there is consistent with many people that argue against being forced to pay for healthcare for others.

A workable society? Is that what we have? Then why does the U.S. incarcerate more of it's citizens than any other country? Because we have the MOST government.

I don't agree with that actually (surprised?).....

I don't mind paying for my neighbors kid to go to school. What I do mind is the massive amounts of money that go to education and simply evaporates without results! We spend more per pupil than any other country and yet, no results.

The answer from Education?? More money!!!

Uhhh, no.... better education methodology is needed. teachers need to be fired, administration staffs cut to the bone. Too much money never makes it to the classroom.

When I was a kid, my neighbors through taxes paid for my schooling. it would be hypocritical of me to now say, I choose not to give. i just want better efficiency with the monies that I hand over.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

We all know that we pay far more for medicine than anu other country that buys our medicine. We are charged far more for the same pil etc. Why not flip that around. Make other countries pay more for our meds and use that money to fund those who CAN NOT afford going to the doctor? If other countries did NOT like paying more- then they would open up their own pharm development plants etc. If they had a product that we wanted to import- apply a tax to it for the funding of the program.

Going after 'people' to fund a thing is the basis of many problems in America. Corporations and their stock holders get fat. And we get screwed with their pricing.

The tax (code in America) was to be paid by, or on, profits. Profits. But the tax code was written by the rich and it screwed the poor. They get away paying for nothing and we get the bill.
Again- take the profits (percentage of) made from out-of-country sales and pay for the poor who can not afford.

And, if a person has the finacial means to provide for themselves when an illness comes- make them pay a higher rate for not keeping simple insurance. Just like waiting to buy a ticket to a concert ON THE DAY of the concertt- the ticket will cost more.

Our Income Tax in America was orginially for PROFITS MADE OFF /ON/FROM Investments.

But we, the people, have been conditioned to think thet WE have to pay a federal income tax via our personal labor. Labor is NOT profit. Exchanging labor for money is an equal exchange- not a profit from investment exchange. Profit is made ABOVE principle.

Fund this 'program' from the profits generated by the Pharma Industry.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

And ditto for a better/efficent return on our investment in education. But as long as we have a bunch of 'you can't make me learn shit' students infesting our schools- we will continue to have problems. A little yeast leavens the whole lump.

We lift up 'punk speach' and 'punk thought' and 'punk conduct' in this country and it's leaving it's mark in this generation. No discipline. No respect. No desire to make the world a better place for all. No understanding that freedom IS NOT FREE !

Yes, for a better return on our education dollars CJ. But remember.... "you can send a kid to collage but you can't make him think."

 

[CrackerJax]

The PC created environment in school is not conducive to a better education.

Leave the social engineering to the parents.