My First Grow! DIY DWC & Grow Area, SNOW WHITE FEM FROM SEED!
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tmsculli
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Well guys, this really fucking sucks, but Big Momma is history. Due to my small mistake it cost me the entire plant. So, my wonderful $50 seed investment actually yielded me 0 smoke. It is obvious for us to all see that I can't clone for shit, so who needs a mother? I guess I will be pulling her from her box and chucking something else in there. I think I'm gonna toss a few seeds in some rockwool, get the bubbleponics back together and start up some fresh seeds. Sounds more fun to me than watching clones die every day haha.
The flowering ladies are huge. The more I lift the lights, the more 2 of the branches stretch, so they are damn near hugging the lights at the top. I almost want to get some string to tie them sideways a bit. I'll get pictures up for you guys later.
The flowering ladies are huge. The more I lift the lights, the more 2 of the branches stretch, so they are damn near hugging the lights at the top. I almost want to get some string to tie them sideways a bit. I'll get pictures up for you guys later.
tmsculli
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Alright guys, so a lot has happened over the past few days and I haven't been around much, but here is a nice little update for you guys.
I am sad to say that my Snow White mother, the only survivor of the original 5 snow white sisters, is officially dead. It was completely my fault, and now I have learned from my mistakes. I altered how I was doing the intake for her veg area, and didn't realize that after changing the method that I would be with family for a few days due to the holiday. Regardless, it's over now, and I have that whole box to have fun with now!!
All, but one of the clones has died. The survivor is not domed, is farther from the light, is getting misted a lot, and is getting plastered with bubbles. I am hoping that she will root up, it would make my day. I am going back to the KISS method now that I have that big open veg box though. I am going to buy a simple, easy, cheap plastic clone dome kinda thing, chuck some cuttings in rockwool, and let them sit in there in the veg box. This way they won't get too hot, they won't be in a small area etc. I am hoping that keeping it simple will help me out. The reason I hadn't kept it simple before was because I literally had no other options. I know that the cloning failures have frustrated you all just as much as me, but it's because the way that I was doing it was the best that I was able to conjure up given those circumstances. Regardless, it's all in the past!
So, what's the plan? Well, I have those 2 delicious ladies flowering up amazingly and they should be ripe for the picking in about 2 weeks. Christmas weed, christmas weed, mmm mmm mmm mmm mmmmm. That sentence was funnier to me than you because I typed it to the tune of jingle bells. Try it out. Anyway, they are doing great, and are in that tub that has 9 holes in. I tossed a few seeds in some water to start germing them up, just some more bagseed. I am going to keep perpetually growing bag seed and every few weeks or so, transfer more into the flower tub. Doing it this way I should be able to get a nice perpetual grow going even though I'm going from seed each time. I will be using a 5 gallon bucket with 4 holes in the top and bubbleponics to start the seedlings out. I am thinking that I want to make some sort of barrier between the root systems of each plant in there. I may not need it, because they won't be too big before they get transferred to the flower area, so we will see how that works out.
Sorry for that wordy post guys, my adderall is crankin' right now haha.
Here are the ladies as of Day 77 total growth and day 56 of Flower. Shack is definitely right, they are taking longer than expected most likely because they turned out to be a bit more sativa, but that is not a big deal.
I tied over one of the taller stalks to get some more even growth on it and get it away from the lights, but the rest are still just hanging out. I have been eyeing up the buds in relation to what amounts look like weighed out, trying to guess my yield. I know there are incredible amounts of end factors, but I'm thinking somewhere are 2.5 oz. What do you guys think? There is a shit ton of bud in there haha.
Mmm
Definitely time to get that microscope!
Question though for you guys. I know before I talked about harvesting the bigger buds first and letting the smaller ones grow longer, but it looks like most of the lower, smaller, buds are the ones that are getting the most receding hairs. Is this going to still be possible?
I am sad to say that my Snow White mother, the only survivor of the original 5 snow white sisters, is officially dead. It was completely my fault, and now I have learned from my mistakes. I altered how I was doing the intake for her veg area, and didn't realize that after changing the method that I would be with family for a few days due to the holiday. Regardless, it's over now, and I have that whole box to have fun with now!!
All, but one of the clones has died. The survivor is not domed, is farther from the light, is getting misted a lot, and is getting plastered with bubbles. I am hoping that she will root up, it would make my day. I am going back to the KISS method now that I have that big open veg box though. I am going to buy a simple, easy, cheap plastic clone dome kinda thing, chuck some cuttings in rockwool, and let them sit in there in the veg box. This way they won't get too hot, they won't be in a small area etc. I am hoping that keeping it simple will help me out. The reason I hadn't kept it simple before was because I literally had no other options. I know that the cloning failures have frustrated you all just as much as me, but it's because the way that I was doing it was the best that I was able to conjure up given those circumstances. Regardless, it's all in the past!
So, what's the plan? Well, I have those 2 delicious ladies flowering up amazingly and they should be ripe for the picking in about 2 weeks. Christmas weed, christmas weed, mmm mmm mmm mmm mmmmm. That sentence was funnier to me than you because I typed it to the tune of jingle bells. Try it out. Anyway, they are doing great, and are in that tub that has 9 holes in. I tossed a few seeds in some water to start germing them up, just some more bagseed. I am going to keep perpetually growing bag seed and every few weeks or so, transfer more into the flower tub. Doing it this way I should be able to get a nice perpetual grow going even though I'm going from seed each time. I will be using a 5 gallon bucket with 4 holes in the top and bubbleponics to start the seedlings out. I am thinking that I want to make some sort of barrier between the root systems of each plant in there. I may not need it, because they won't be too big before they get transferred to the flower area, so we will see how that works out.
Sorry for that wordy post guys, my adderall is crankin' right now haha.
Here are the ladies as of Day 77 total growth and day 56 of Flower. Shack is definitely right, they are taking longer than expected most likely because they turned out to be a bit more sativa, but that is not a big deal.
I tied over one of the taller stalks to get some more even growth on it and get it away from the lights, but the rest are still just hanging out. I have been eyeing up the buds in relation to what amounts look like weighed out, trying to guess my yield. I know there are incredible amounts of end factors, but I'm thinking somewhere are 2.5 oz. What do you guys think? There is a shit ton of bud in there haha.
Mmm
Definitely time to get that microscope!
Question though for you guys. I know before I talked about harvesting the bigger buds first and letting the smaller ones grow longer, but it looks like most of the lower, smaller, buds are the ones that are getting the most receding hairs. Is this going to still be possible?
tmsculli
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The girls are looking great. After I took those pictures in my last post, I tied down the two tall stalks almost completely horizontal and overnight this has inspired great vertical growth of buds. Kinda like LSTing that single branch I guess.
I knew I would get impatient before harvest so I purposely let two lower growth buds grow under the screen. One got clipped today, adn the other will be clipped the next time I feel liek I can't wait haha. After clipping it and just hung it to dry with a slow fan on it. Is there anything else I need to do? I know it's not going to smoke well, because it's full of nutes and not dry, but can I just chuck that shit in the pipe and smoke it now? haha.
I knew I would get impatient before harvest so I purposely let two lower growth buds grow under the screen. One got clipped today, adn the other will be clipped the next time I feel liek I can't wait haha. After clipping it and just hung it to dry with a slow fan on it. Is there anything else I need to do? I know it's not going to smoke well, because it's full of nutes and not dry, but can I just chuck that shit in the pipe and smoke it now? haha.
Couple things:
Don't think those are gonna be ready to cut in two weeks - I'd say New Years at the earliest, but get a microscope and check it out.
The nutes won't affect taste - I've never flushed and never had any impact on my taste - flushing is for soil grows (and overferted ones at that), not bubbles (this is of course only my opinion based on my experiences, others will disagree).
Finally, growing from bagseed each time is a beat call - you need to have an idea of each plant's genetic makeup before you start growing it, as much as is possible - you're gonna get duds and weak herb from certain plants (certain plants will be strong with good herb), so I'd keep on cloning until I got it right, so I'd only have the strong plants with the good herb - also, I'd find some more indica dominant seeds to grow, especially since you're keeping them short (heavier yields and lower flowering time).
Anyhow, good luck, and sorry to hear about your mama.
tmsculli
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You've got some good points Bob. Really, you think it's even going to be later than that? New Years, really? That sounds a bit far, but I guess the damage I did early on kinda screwed me. Hmm, I really wanted to get it smokeable before my trip leaving on Jan 2, I will have to wait and see I suppose. Good to know that I don't really need to flush, I wasn't too sure of that. Bob, also the pictures don't really do the 'garden' justice. There are a lot of buds on there that I would bet are almost ready to go, but obviously there are plenty that aren't. I really do want cloning to work man, hopefully I can save the one remaining Snow White clone that I have now. I have one living clone that I am keeping alive and hope I can root it because I would love to grow her into another mother, and then get clones from her. I know bagseed isn't really 'safe' in any of those senses, but it may be what I have to do for a bit. I just get so upset when I know that I could shorten my grow time and hold onto good strains forever with cloning, but that I couldn't pull it off. Nothing more to do now than try my best and wait. I have 4 seeds germing that I'll get working soon regardless of whether or not that clone starts working out for me.
So, that bud that dried over night was kinda dry this morning so I smoked it up. It was a little harsh, and still a bit too wet, but it got me baked. Huge head high and good smiles and laughing. Definitely excited to smoke it in full force. I'm assuming the combination of the more Sativa strand and the early 'clearer' trichromes would explain the more head high than rock stone body?
So, that bud that dried over night was kinda dry this morning so I smoked it up. It was a little harsh, and still a bit too wet, but it got me baked. Huge head high and good smiles and laughing. Definitely excited to smoke it in full force. I'm assuming the combination of the more Sativa strand and the early 'clearer' trichromes would explain the more head high than rock stone body?
Shackleford.R
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that's how my sativa was. my girl and i smoked my unknown sativa and were just WOW!! lol don't know how to describe it. we'd jam and draw and all sorts of creative shit. it's definitely one that gets the mind going, instead that overall body don't wanna move stone. take bob's advice... i harvest (compared to your grow, work with me on this) probably about 2 1/2 weeks from where you are now, and i could have gone twice that. if nothing else the weight! they bulk up towards the end of their lifecycle. to get a better idea of what is should look like google/youtube some outdoor grows, that are primarily sativa strain. the colas on those things can get as fat as 1 liter soda bottle, if not more. that's what your girls WANT to do, so they will try their hardest. let 'em bloom and you WILL be rewarded.
Shack
Shack
tmsculli
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Dude, I could believe that they get super fat as soda bottles. Right now there are two buds in there are have a diameter of ~2" while many of the others are really tall and skinny. I have seen that they are starting to fill in nicely along the sides though which is good. Also bending down those two branches has started awesome vertical growth on them.
tmsculli
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Ladies look absolutely great. They don't like being pushed on the ppms though, so I am just going to keep them moderate. They have had downturned leaf tips for a week or so now and I haven't pushed them much so I'm not going to push my luck. They are sitting at 5.8ph, 1250ppms and just got a new gallon of fresh aqua so I hope they will keep on keepin on. Starting to see a lot more frosty popping out so I hope that continues. I am going to do the cold night trick before harvest though. Whenever I feel liek they are about ready for harvest, I am going to turn on the AC and keep it around 58 in the house. That will put them into survival mode and kick out some more trichs.
Clone is still alive and pumpin, still no roots though. I found a heating pad and stuck it under the little tank to try and warm up the water. I read that clones like warmer rooting areas, so maybe this will help.
School is ridiculous right now, but almost done the semester. Once that is all over hopefully I can do some big things for my girls.
Clone is still alive and pumpin, still no roots though. I found a heating pad and stuck it under the little tank to try and warm up the water. I read that clones like warmer rooting areas, so maybe this will help.
School is ridiculous right now, but almost done the semester. Once that is all over hopefully I can do some big things for my girls.
Shackleford.R
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not only will the survival thing create more trichs. often times induces a "purpleing" or "blueing" of the buds. saw a photo on here somewhere of a dude that grew bagseed and kept his temps LOW at night so they would color up, just to make his bagseed look purty! if you wanted to do that, keep it cold at night for the last week. and on the last day put them in darkness for 24 hours.
or don't! it's your grow!
glad to hear all is doing well. have you stopped by my tent grow? i have some seedlings popping up finally!! link is in my signature.
Shack
or don't! it's your grow!
glad to hear all is doing well. have you stopped by my tent grow? i have some seedlings popping up finally!! link is in my signature.
Shack
tmsculli
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Yea shack I do know about the color changes. A buddy of mine's brother grows outdoor and was a little late this year. The random weather we get around here made it drop to like 50 a few days before his harvest and it was awesome. Shit got incredibly frosty over night and got purple. Nothing like trying to push bagseed, but selling it for 10 more a g because it's "that purple shit" hahaha.
No I haven't actually, but I will right now!
No I haven't actually, but I will right now!
tmsculli
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Well, the last Snow White clone has perished, and the tote-o-clones has been made out of order for the time being.
On a much much much better note, I finally went to radio shack and got my microscope!!!
I checked out the higher buds and many of them still have clear trichomes and need more time. I did find that many of the lower buds are much more frosty and are at the milky stage. I am thinking that this means by the time that the top buds are at about a 2/3 milky 1/3 amber level, the bottom buds are going to be a strong amber. I feel like this will be fine and could be fun because the smokes for them could be significantly different even though they are off the same plant. Am I correct in my thinking of this?
On a much much much better note, I finally went to radio shack and got my microscope!!!
I checked out the higher buds and many of them still have clear trichomes and need more time. I did find that many of the lower buds are much more frosty and are at the milky stage. I am thinking that this means by the time that the top buds are at about a 2/3 milky 1/3 amber level, the bottom buds are going to be a strong amber. I feel like this will be fine and could be fun because the smokes for them could be significantly different even though they are off the same plant. Am I correct in my thinking of this?
purpdaddy
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u know ill always check in u bro...this one and another are the only threads i visit besides my own...
I dont go from thread to thread helping anymore,I got 2 infractions from fucking with smartasses that didnt wanna listen..You can always PM me and it sends to my email and i check it on my phone.So u can ALWAYS get in touch with me bro
tmsculli
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Thanks brother I really really appreciate that. I am going to need to show you some pictures soon and try and get some help because I am starting to get a little unsure of what steps to take next. I have many lower buds that have cloudy trichs, and brown receding hairs. That means that they are good to go, but the upper buds are completely on different pages. Some upper buds are cloudy and still white hairs, some are clear trichs with brown hairs. actually, I have even just recently had some more vertical growth on some buds where the stem is now showing and I am assuming bud is going to be filling it in? I'll have to show you pictures of what I am talking about, but I have two branches that are about 6" long each and are almost completely bare. They have small small bud development and some hairs, but they are far from filling in. Is it common to harvest and still have giant bare branches like this? Should I try and let them fill in and see how that goes? Then again I come back to my first question from a few weeks back....is it possible and safe to do incremental harvest to certain parts of the plant that seem like they are ready to be harvested before the rest?
Sorry for all the questions, but it's another stage of the growing cycle that I have yet to experience. I asked a lot during germ, now I never ask again about it. I asked a lot during veg, now...never again. Flower, I asked A LOT, now...maybe just a bit more. Harvest, I only know what I have read and I need to couple that with experience that you guys guide me through.
Thanks guys
Sorry for all the questions, but it's another stage of the growing cycle that I have yet to experience. I asked a lot during germ, now I never ask again about it. I asked a lot during veg, now...never again. Flower, I asked A LOT, now...maybe just a bit more. Harvest, I only know what I have read and I need to couple that with experience that you guys guide me through.
Thanks guys
purpdaddy
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Harvest the ones that are ready and let the others finish....
We can go PM if you want for the drying/curing proces...its a necessity!
tmsculli
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Well, what if they are buds that are lower on the stem? Should I just cut them off and dry them in a rack I make. I originally planned on hanging the stems to dry them, but if I am going to be clipping buds at various times I'm gonna have to make a drying screen. I don't mind doing it in this. It's my grow journal and it's information that helps me with my grow haha, so as long as you are cool about helping me through this thread, I'm fine with it too!
purpdaddy
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Sure no prob man just shooting the option out there..but yea make a drying rack or you can dry them in anything really..a drying screen will work..put a small oscillating fan over em and in when they crispy to the touch..turn the fan off a lil while...see if they crispy enough...just to where you hear a crackle or light crunch when touched(not too dry,not too wet).Then the curing process begins!.7-30 days