My First Grow! DIY DWC & Grow Area, SNOW WHITE FEM FROM SEED!

[tmsculli]

Damn purp, I completely forgot about curing too. Man, I really want this bud ASAP. I may end up doing a very small harvest so that I can have it in time for my trip and let the rest cure while I'm gone and have a friend open the jars once a day for me.

Today is Day 63 of Flower for these ladies and they sadly definitely still need time. In fact, in the past few days I found that some branches that were covered 100% in fat bud have now grown an additional inch or so taller and now that stem portion is starting to fill in with bud. I have those two big stems that I keep talking about that are also filling in slowly, but surely. I haven't posted pics in a while so here are a few. For some reason I feel like these pictures are not good representation of what I have going on, but it will work.

^This is one of the tall empty branches that I bent over and tied down. There are two of them and over the past week they have been starting to fill in nicely from bottom to top. They are about 1/2 filled in so at least I know they will eventually completely fill in.

^This is the bud that is actually my fattest most plump, but then decided to grow another inch or inch and a half stem on top that is now slowly filling in with bud.

^ I have changed my lighting a lot during the flowering cycle. It has been how it is now for about 2 weeks and I saw huge improvement in the grow.

 

[purpdaddy]

Looks great bro...there s a window of ripeness for the trichs during harvestMeaning that if you wait too long to harvest you can lose potency..YOu ot the scope so check em out and harvest the ones that are ready,if not let em go a lil longer.

Cure for atleast 1 week before starting to smoke.Then smoke a bud a week later and repeat the process to see how curing the bud longer (full 30 days)makes it taste better!

 

[tmsculli]

Thanks purp, good to know. Now, I read that the various states of the trichomes "coloring," if you will, are responsible, in part, for the type of high. Peak of harvest is cloudy trichs correct? I know many people like to do cloudy with a side of amber and all that fun stuff. I have looked through the scope a bunch and at various buds. Sadly, it is kind of hard for me to get in and look at each independent bud to check for ripeness because of the lighting and all being in the way. I will definitely start doing a bit of an incremental harvest then. Just start harvesting the ones that are nice and cloudy with receded brown hairs and go from there.


Oh, purp, I also wanted to ask when you think I should do the temperature change. If you don't know what I am referring to I apologize. I am talking about making the bud drop into it's "Oh shit we really need to pollinate" mode. I am going to crank the AC one night and drop temps to about 50*F or so to make them push out some more trichs and also get a little bit of purpling. I know you are supposed to do that 2 days before harvest, but what about during an incremental harvest? If I were to do it tonight, if it works, tomorrow I should have purple frosty buds all over, but still only some of them would be ripe for harvest. Is it okay to leave those purple frosty guys in there for another week or maybe even more to allow their trichs to get a bit more cloudy and let more hairs recede?

Sorry if that is a little complicated brother, hopefully you understand what I am referring too.

 

[purpdaddy]

Thanks purp, good to know. Now, I read that the various states of the trichomes "coloring," if you will, are responsible, in part, for the type of high. Peak of harvest is cloudy trichs correct? I know many people like to do cloudy with a side of amber and all that fun stuff. I have looked through the scope a bunch and at various buds. Sadly, it is kind of hard for me to get in and look at each independent bud to check for ripeness because of the lighting and all being in the way. I will definitely start doing a bit of an incremental harvest then. Just start harvesting the ones that are nice and cloudy with receded brown hairs and go from there.


Oh, purp, I also wanted to ask when you think I should do the temperature change. If you don't know what I am referring to I apologize. I am talking about making the bud drop into it's "Oh shit we really need to pollinate" mode. I am going to crank the AC one night and drop temps to about 50*F or so to make them push out some more trichs and also get a little bit of purpling. I know you are supposed to do that 2 days before harvest, but what about during an incremental harvest? If I were to do it tonight, if it works, tomorrow I should have purple frosty buds all over, but still only some of them would be ripe for harvest. Is it okay to leave those purple frosty guys in there for another week or maybe even more to allow their trichs to get a bit more cloudy and let more hairs recede?

Sorry if that is a little complicated brother, hopefully you understand what I am referring too.

Man to view the trichs better...

takt a clipping of a small trim leaf and put it on something that you can see it better on...thats how i always looked at mine if COULDNT see em on the tree cause of the light or position..but..try it.

NO MAN DONT DROP THE TEMPS LIKE THAT IT WILL PUT INTO TEMP STRESS JUST LIKE OVER NUTTING CAUSES YELLOWING,CURLED LEAVES.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Itll turn purple yes but that is an indication that there is LOW TEMP STRESS!!!!
PLEASE DONT DO THAT!!!!

 

[purpdaddy]

A GUY posted a pic in my thread of a purple leaf..but iot was not from genetics like mine will be but from stress you can CLEARLy see!..check it out and tell me if u want yours lookin like that..When the plant is stressed ;trichome production is put to a hault or COMPLETE stop until recovered.

 

[tmsculli]

Purp, a lot of people do the temp drop as I have said, so it can't be all that bad. Maybe the temperature I gave was too low, but it was just a random temp I threw out. I know that it is usually done at the end of the grow like I said, which means that if it does cause stress that maybe it doesn't matter at that point. I do agree that probably doing it with an incremental harvest is not a good idea. I was not going to do it for the purpling though purp, because what you said was actually not entirely true I think. The temperature drop (one that is within a certain range) makes the plants think that it is getting close to winter because of the cold weather. This makes the plant go into what I have called "oh shit" mode where they pull out all the stops to do the only thing that they are on the earth to do, which is get pollinated by a male. To increase chances of pollination, they increase trichome production to make the bud stickier and increase the chances of catching pollen. While this is what I am looking for, yes it does also cause cause a slight purpling of the bud, not the leaves necessarily. I think that we may be talking about two different conditions purp.


Regardless, I will take your advice and hold off on it for now until I learn a bit more about it.


I did build a nice little drying rack though actually. I took the tote that I had my clone system in and took all that shit out. I found a square screen shelf and it fit perfectly in the box. I lined the bottom of the tote with aluminum foil to catch any resin and the rack is about 5" from the bottom of the tote. The tote has 2 passive intake holes at the bottom and one computer fan exhaust at the top. This draws the air from the bottom to the top through the screen, drying the bud. I also took one of my small Mackey fans and placed it outside one of the passive intake holes just to expedite the airflow a little bit. I think that it should work pretty well.

 

[purpdaddy]

Purp, a lot of people do the temp drop as I have said, so it can't be all that bad. Maybe the temperature I gave was too low, but it was just a random temp I threw out. I know that it is usually done at the end of the grow like I said, which means that if it does cause stress that maybe it doesn't matter at that point. I do agree that probably doing it with an incremental harvest is not a good idea. I was not going to do it for the purpling though purp, because what you said was actually not entirely true I think. The temperature drop (one that is within a certain range) makes the plants think that it is getting close to winter because of the cold weather. This makes the plant go into what I have called "oh shit" mode where they pull out all the stops to do the only thing that they are on the earth to do, which is get pollinated by a male. To increase chances of pollination, they increase trichome production to make the bud stickier and increase the chances of catching pollen. While this is what I am looking for, yes it does also cause cause a slight purpling of the bud, not the leaves necessarily. I think that we may be talking about two different conditions purp.


Regardless, I will take your advice and hold off on it for now until I learn a bit more about it.


I did build a nice little drying rack though actually. I took the tote that I had my clone system in and took all that shit out. I found a square screen shelf and it fit perfectly in the box. I lined the bottom of the tote with aluminum foil to catch any resin and the rack is about 5" from the bottom of the tote. The tote has 2 passive intake holes at the bottom and one computer fan exhaust at the top. This draws the air from the bottom to the top through the screen, drying the bud. I also took one of my small Mackey fans and placed it outside one of the passive intake holes just to expedite the airflow a little bit. I think that it should work pretty well.

instead of dropping the temp to make em do that..we start "WITH HOLDING" nutrients,,,meanin giving them a lower PPM to make all the stored food in the foliage to be used up not by stressing with temps...
But what did i say was untrue? Pleasecorret me if u think im wrong bro but trust me this aint my first rodeo,,not nearly.

 

[purpdaddy]

i don't want mine lookin like this...maybe after i chopit,,,but i dont see heavy trich production on here..i could see if it was really frosty and dank lookin...but it looks like mid

 

[tmsculli]

Purpling on the leaves is not what I'm talking about though. Every time that I have seen it done there are just small purple flowerings on the bud, and that's it. I do know that temp stress causes the plant to seize, but I don't think that what I was talking about would throw it into that deep of a stress.

Either way it's all good brother, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to learn. I by no means meant to offend you or your knowledge of this because I know you have been through all of it before.

 

[purpdaddy]

Ohhh.....ok man i see what u saying about lowering the temps but we WITHHOLD the nutes...just another way of doing it and better by NOT stressing it..You can do it either way,,but i would say it slows production down a lil but,,try it and see!

 

[tmsculli]

I just read a lot about trying to make the plants work a little bit harder during the end of the grow. Obviously this causes stress, but as long as the stress is minimal, and more importantly, that it is regulated, it can be useful in the grow. It is true that certain stressing conditions do cause the plant to produce more trichomes, but in the intense conditions like you are saying it is definitely a bad thing.

Now, withholding the nutes is kind of just like flushing right? I was told a bit ago that I was not going to have to worry about flushing. As of right now the girls are a little mad at me for overfeeding. They have some down curled leaves because I have been trying to push their limits a bit. I got up to 1380 and then they looked pretty upset so I backed it down around 1100. Should I just slowly bring the ppms down until the end of the grow?

 

[purpdaddy]

Either way it's all good brother, I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to learn. I by no means meant to offend you or your knowledge of this because I know you have been through all of it before.

No ma bro,anytime i talk to you,even if i seem to come off lil stiff,remember im NOT,im typing with a smile on my face(never meant to comeoff rude or argue,WE JUSTDEBATE!LOL)
I take time out to check you cause u one of the people of that takes heed and is willing to learn

 

[tmsculli]

THanks man, that means a lot.

I take heed and am willing to learn about growing with every ounce of learning power I have.


Sadly, I am fucking struggling right now and an emotional wreck trying to study for the 3 exams that I have tomorrow. Fuck man, talk about plant stress, people stress is the fucking worst!

 

[purpdaddy]

Now, withholding the nutes is kind of just like flushing right? I was told a bit ago that I was not going to have to worry about flushing. As of right now the girls are a little mad at me for overfeeding. They have some down curled leaves because I have been trying to push their limits a bit. I got up to 1380 and then they looked pretty upset so I backed it down around 1100. Should I just slowly bring the ppms down until the end of the grow?

Flushing is using NO nutes and is done after you are ready to harvest to get the fert taste out the foliage..Fluhing is an option..you aint gotta do it.I didnt flush my last grow and it taste the same as my first grow..Flushing is for people that keep alotta trim on the buds.The trim leaves makes it taste bad so thats the reason behindthat..I trim as close as i can to the bud

Lets say you runnin 1500ppm....lower to 1000 or lower until you see yellowing leaves,,This is done in the last couple weeks before harvest

 

[tmsculli]

Alright, well I am definitely within those last couple of weeks I would say so I think I may start slowly working them down over the next few weeks. Thanks brother.

 

[tmsculli]

So I spent some time this morning looking around at the buds and checking the trichs. I found a few branches that were very cloudy trichs and recessed hairs so I decided to give it a little incremental harvesting. I went ahead and chopped what is probably about a 1/4, but it looks really good. My drying system works great too and made my little sample from last week taste great. So what is the general rule of thumb for this? Dry for 3-5 days until its a tiny bit crunchy and then cure from a week to a month?

 

[tmsculli]

Hello All, today is day 66 of Flower for my girls and like I said above, I decided to start and do a tiny little harvest of what I saw was ready to go. Here are some pictures of the girls that are still up and the few chopped buds.

There you go. How do you think everything looks guys? I really really like the dryer that I set up. The small bud I harvested last week to test the system out dried really nicely and evenly and I had no issues. Hopefully everything keeps looking up at this point. I have two finals next week and then I am done for 2 months wooooottttt!

Cheers

 

[Shackleford.R]

mmmmmmm!!!
you'll be harvesting the rest soon. the leaves appear at the end of their life. they look like they're about to "give it their all" haha if that makes sense. thats one of the things i look at for harvest. as the leaves start to turn yellow and curl and just not look as healthy. means the plant is taking the last of what it can get from those leaves. keep an eye on the health of the leaf as well as trichomes.

i would say harvest in a couple weeks. they should be getting the last of their weight pretty soon, and those will soon curl, yellow and eventually die and need to be pruned back. that's when i would harvest when the about 50-75% of the upper leaves start to turn. any later than that, you risk missing the peak of potency on the buds.

i don't know this for fact. but my general gardening knowledge leads me to believe it's a good idea. it's how i harvested (my smoke was good) would have been better if not for mistakes along the way...

"too long, didn't read" = everything looks awesome and on track for a harvest in the next couple weeks. your first cut/trimmed buds look nice!! +rep


Shack

 

[Shackleford.R]

won't let me rep you.. remind me someday . . .


Shack

 

[tmsculli]

Hahaha, thanks Shack. Yea the ones that I pulled really did look like they were ready to go. I didn't pull much, so even if it is a bit early for them it's not that big of a deal. Glad everything seems to be going according to plan still haha. Yea, did it tell you you have to spread the wealth a little bit on that rep? haha