CrackerJax
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yes, let's all turn the clock back magically and start living off the land.
Wanna be Amish? Vote democrat.
Wanna be Amish? Vote democrat.
HACKERS REVEAL!! Climate change scientists have been manipulating and fixing data
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Johnnyorganic
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When did I not promote sustainable energy?The stuff being said here makes me ashamed to be a cannabis grower and legalization supporter. I'm upset to know that some of my fellow NORML members are in this thread speaking on these issues this way.
How can you promote industrial hemp and not promote other "green" alternatives. Use industrial hemp as a bio-fuel substitute in coal power plants, and BAM there is your backup system for the "inefficient" solar and wind power.
Also what about tidal power? It's being used in New York City or it's Chicago, I believe. In the river generators have been dropped in and using the river current (without building a dam) generate electricity. The city plans to expand this system.
Rather than everyone sprawling out all over the place, urbanize cities, lower the demand, by decreasing the size of the grid. Individual homes with installed (professionally installed) solar panels on the roof, donate power back to the grid within only a few short months. With so many options, why not?! Just because we can continue to use this? Best estimates give us about 50 more years of fossil fuels. If we don't do something now and continue to stifle technology, we could be up a creek in 50 years. But I guess the "Oh well, won't be my problem in 50 years, planning to be dead," is so strongly embedded in some, there is no point even mentioning something that doesn't directly effect you.
By the way, stop calling me a "liberal" I'm progressive. I believe old time thinking has no place in modern society. My favorite definition of insanity comes from Albert Einstein, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So why stick to dated conservative principles, and stifle progress, when it's just by definition "insane"?
Shack
Does my dismissing industrial-level wind and solar as a subsidy-driven boondoggle take away my support for sustainables? No.
Why do we have to consider getting rid of coal at all? The Man Made Global Warming scam has been uncovered. We can safely and carefully transition to sustainables.
My position is quite consistent. If you insist on being ashamed, be ashamed of yourself.
I did not slander you. Nor did I attack you personally. Everything is right here in this thread for everyone to see.
Oregon I still respect you. And if you can't take a little ribbing from me when I caught you pulling a fast one. Well my friend - there is a child sitting at a terminal. It's you.
Big P
Well-Known Member
Impeachment is a formal process in which an elected official is accused of unlawful activity, and which may or may not lead to the removal of that official from office.
Impeachment and removal from office are two different things. Dumbass. Our leader for the past 8 years committed far more illegal acts as Prez. than current administration. You may disagree, but he has YET to break any laws.
Shack
im not convinced his true intentions are to be lawful and help our country
i think he may be a lier and a thief. bush was nothing more than a heavy handed patriot who defended his people well. he would never have tryed to destroy america
theres so many shoes dropping it boggles the mind, specially when you factor in that 80% of the news media out there is not reporting any bad things that obama is doing unless forced too
70% of americans polled say they want everone in congress removed inculing the minority of incumbet republicans
that game is over. obama will be a lame duck,
if it comes out he did anything illigal he may be impeached
bush did nothing illigal, and we freed 25 milllion people in Iraq, whom i work closly with in my job. soon iraq will be a stronger economicly and democraticly than our once precious america
the chinese are lecturing us about capitolism for gods sake
wake up and smell the coffee,
Shackleford.R
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I'm done too man. You're not debating. Not even stating facts. Other than a few non-independently confirmed resources.
How is man made global warming a scam? Show me multiple articles, that have been independently confirmed in your next post.
If you have read so much on it, and know it be true, show me something. Something from a non-empirically conservative source.
I want 5 sources. If more than 5 sources are talking about this, and all have been confirmed true. I'll believe you.
Presently, I could find several sources, independently confirmed, that man is having an effect on global warming.
Hell, common sense tells you that. Before man's industrialization earth was "balanced" then we built plants and factories and started adding increased amounts of various gasses into the air.
How can you ignore that fact. Prior to man's industrialization, certain gasses existed. Post industrialization, MORE gasses existed. That's simple fact.
Also, I don't promote living off the land. I promote treating cities as sprawling urban environments. Where you don't have to travel all over the place to live day-to-day.
I support local farming, I support local markets, I support anything local. It just makes more sense. Why buy something that has been moved all over the place?
When I can get a better product from someone across town and support the economy of my local area!
As cannabis growers, I think we could ALL agree local farming is the way to go! Eating vegetables in season, is the way to go!
I could go on and on about sustainability and the benefits going local. But would any of you even care? What is the point of this debate/discussion thread if everyone sticks to their guns and defends themselves?
I've conceded a couple times. Especially on the China issue (sort of) I've never considered the flip side. China let's something bad happen to us. They're fucked! We're definitely calling the shots in that situation.
Everyone, please, let's all remain civil. Stick to the issues and not resort to mockery or belittling. I'm here to discuss and arrive at new thoughts/ideas. Not tease people.
Shack
How is man made global warming a scam? Show me multiple articles, that have been independently confirmed in your next post.
If you have read so much on it, and know it be true, show me something. Something from a non-empirically conservative source.
I want 5 sources. If more than 5 sources are talking about this, and all have been confirmed true. I'll believe you.
Presently, I could find several sources, independently confirmed, that man is having an effect on global warming.
Hell, common sense tells you that. Before man's industrialization earth was "balanced" then we built plants and factories and started adding increased amounts of various gasses into the air.
How can you ignore that fact. Prior to man's industrialization, certain gasses existed. Post industrialization, MORE gasses existed. That's simple fact.
Also, I don't promote living off the land. I promote treating cities as sprawling urban environments. Where you don't have to travel all over the place to live day-to-day.
I support local farming, I support local markets, I support anything local. It just makes more sense. Why buy something that has been moved all over the place?
When I can get a better product from someone across town and support the economy of my local area!
As cannabis growers, I think we could ALL agree local farming is the way to go! Eating vegetables in season, is the way to go!
I could go on and on about sustainability and the benefits going local. But would any of you even care? What is the point of this debate/discussion thread if everyone sticks to their guns and defends themselves?
I've conceded a couple times. Especially on the China issue (sort of) I've never considered the flip side. China let's something bad happen to us. They're fucked! We're definitely calling the shots in that situation.
Everyone, please, let's all remain civil. Stick to the issues and not resort to mockery or belittling. I'm here to discuss and arrive at new thoughts/ideas. Not tease people.
Shack
Shackleford.R
Well-Known Member
why should iraq be a democracy?
they're a muslim nation. they're religion has outlined principles for how their nation is to be run.
by the way, cuba calls themselves a democracy.
eye of the beholder my friend.
Shack
they're a muslim nation. they're religion has outlined principles for how their nation is to be run.
by the way, cuba calls themselves a democracy.
eye of the beholder my friend.
Shack
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Again you just did the same thing. You claim first that you didn't slander nor attack, you say you respect me, that I just can't take a little ribbing.
But you still say you "caught me pulling a fast one" and you call me a child. Read your own words again you didn't say that "if you can't take a ribbing then you are a child" you claim I did in fact intentionally do something disreputable.
Fuck you, look at the god damn timestamp on what I edited and tell me how much sense it would make to try to sneak shit in before you might have had a chance to read and respond to it!
I'm done now for sure. Being pissed doesn't do anyone any good.
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
You fell into the trap, Shack.I'm done too man. You're not debating. Not even stating facts. Other than a few non-independently confirmed resources.
How is man made global warming a scam? Show me multiple articles, that have been independently confirmed in your next post.
If you have read so much on it, and know it be true, show me something. Something from a non-empirically conservative source.
I want 5 sources. If more than 5 sources are talking about this, and all have been confirmed true. I'll believe you.
Presently, I could find several sources, independently confirmed, that man is having an effect on global warming.
Hell, common sense tells you that. Before man's industrialization earth was "balanced" then we built plants and factories and started adding increased amounts of various gasses into the air.
How can you ignore that fact. Prior to man's industrialization, certain gasses existed. Post industrialization, MORE gasses existed. That's simple fact.
Also, I don't promote living off the land. I promote treating cities as sprawling urban environments. Where you don't have to travel all over the place to live day-to-day.
I support local farming, I support local markets, I support anything local. It just makes more sense. Why buy something that has been moved all over the place?
When I can get a better product from someone across town and support the economy of my local area!
As cannabis growers, I think we could ALL agree local farming is the way to go! Eating vegetables in season, is the way to go!
I could go on and on about sustainability and the benefits going local. But would any of you even care? What is the point of this debate/discussion thread if everyone sticks to their guns and defends themselves?
I've conceded a couple times. Especially on the China issue (sort of) I've never considered the flip side. China let's something bad happen to us. They're fucked! We're definitely calling the shots in that situation.
Everyone, please, let's all remain civil. Stick to the issues and not resort to mockery or belittling. I'm here to discuss and arrive at new thoughts/ideas. Not tease people.
Shack
Owl Gore proclaimed the debate was over even as he refused to debate with an actual expert on the matter.
But it's not over. The books were cooked. Yet the Adminstration is pressing on.
And you have a problem with me having a problem with that?
LOL!
Buddy, the time stamp only proves me right. You slipped something in and it posted at the same time as my rebuttal. There is no slander. You called me childish and I threw it right back at you.
As far as the 'fuck you' is concerned, I'll deal with that personally.
Remember that when you think about bitching about it.
doc111
Well-Known Member
I think the point is being missed entirely. I do care about the environment. I can't speak for Johnny or CJ but environmentalism is not the issue here. The issue is climate change data has been jacked with to make data more favorable to the climate changers. We simply don't know if we are the cause or not. And I suspect we will probably not be able to prove one way or the other for many many years if ever. There are too many variables. The big issue is cap and trade. It wouldn't be so bad but we are being assaulted from every side. Tax this and tax that. How much more can we take. If it only made a gallon of gas go up a nickel it wouldn't be a big deal. Can people not see the big picture? It's not about how this will affect the individual it's about how it will affect the entire economy, which is in a tailspin. Which in turn will affect each and every one of us in a bad, bad way. If cap and trade passes it could seriously hurt our economy. And for what? So the government can expand it's power and grow the bureaucracy. In the end cap and trade won't do a damn thing to control greenhouse gas emissions. If one of you can explain how this will dramatically help the environment I'm all ears (so to speak).
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Ok then no mistake about it, I can see the type of person you are now.
Go ahead report me, the fuck you still stands you earned it. What you did is the very definition of slander.
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
It would have been one thing to correct a typo, but you added a whole new point.
Who said anything about reporting it?
We're gonna sort this out, though.
p.s. I still like and respect you.
jeffchr
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George W. Bush's Resume
George W. Bush (Dubya)
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
Washington, D.C. 20500
Past Work Experience
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments in Previous Positions
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments As President
Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.
First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).
All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.
First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).
With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.
Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
Source: Kelley Kramer
Johnny Retro
Well-Known Member
Obamas list is longer than that..and hes only been in for a year
Shackleford.R
Well-Known Member
CrackerJax
New Member
One big difference. george was fully embedded in the private sector along with all of the lessons that go with it. Obama has NO experience, and it shows. It shows to us and the world. The secret is out. Not really a secret though, just a whole lot of wishful thinking.
Johnny Retro
Well-Known Member
Care to elaborate on your oh so info filled post...?
Shack
Shackleford.R
Well-Known Member
i'm just happy that i have a president i don't have to bash. welcome to the other side!! lol!
OBAMA ROCKS!!
oh and economy crashed under Bush's watch. NOT Obama's LOL!! BUSH TRASHED THE ECONOMY!!
Shack
OBAMA ROCKS!!
oh and economy crashed under Bush's watch. NOT Obama's LOL!! BUSH TRASHED THE ECONOMY!!
Shack
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
Must be wonderful to have the ability to disappear an entire election.i'm just happy that i have a president i don't have to bash. welcome to the other side!! lol!
OBAMA ROCKS!!
oh and economy crashed under Bush's watch. NOT Obama's LOL!! BUSH TRASHED THE ECONOMY!!
Shack
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/
OregonMeds
Well-Known Member
Ok not reporting it, that I do respect except the rest is two faced bullshit.
Oh I like you, I respect you, you're ok with me I just know you're a liar. Wow, I would rather you told me to fuck off and were honest. You can't respect someone you think you know to be a liar and if you claim you can then again more two faced bullshit.