d.c. beard
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Damn Crop you've been flowering for 4 solid weeks, the stretch has to be over by now! Looks like you've got plenty of room between the canopy and the lights, and they're looking great. I wanna see em start filling in...
3600 Watt Dutch tables (Jamaican Pineapple)
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CROPALOTAPOT
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I know eh!! 4 weeks of flowering before any major bud sites, but what a stretch! This is the only strain I have ever worked with that stretches in flower this much, they where freakin tiny when I flicked em......
Thanks for the feedback.
* I just have added a 3 in one air scrubber, humidifier and most importantly right now Dehumidifier..
Thanks for the feedback.
* I just have added a 3 in one air scrubber, humidifier and most importantly right now Dehumidifier..
HigherLearning420
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Those are 600w im guessing? They look in the pictures to be about 12 in+ from some of the tops. you shouldnt have to move them up anymore. with good ventilation, you could prolly move them down a few inches. you should be cool though, i wouldnt move them up anymore if i were you.
CROPALOTAPOT
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Yeah Higherlearning I agree. with most strains I have had the same experience. It is quite cool even 2 inches from under the lights and with previous strains it has been fine but with this pineapple for some reason the tops curl up and show signs of heat damage and slower growth at 12 - 14 inches from canopy although the heat is not too intense. I assumed it might have been uv damage from too intense of light but in any case they seem to like the lights 18 - 24 inches much better.... I am going to throw more fans in the room within the next few days here too... The ventilation is so good in there that I need a heater on at all times. It is a 1,350 cfm Canfan for only those 6 lights. The room is a no ins no outs or "The perfect room " and I am very happy with this setup..
To my experience so far this Jamaican Pineapple strain has been a tricky strain to work with...
I can't move them up anymore, but tonight I will be going in with some string and pulling all the tallest ones to even canopy then lowering everything to 18 inches or so.
Cheers
To my experience so far this Jamaican Pineapple strain has been a tricky strain to work with...
I can't move them up anymore, but tonight I will be going in with some string and pulling all the tallest ones to even canopy then lowering everything to 18 inches or so.
Cheers
MEANGREEN69
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subed....nice room
HigherLearning420
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yea i cant comment on that particular strain being that i havent grown it or smoked it for that fact. but yea that sounds pretty tricky, maybe you should let them grow up to the lights as much as they want to and wait for them to start curling or showing signs before you make any adjustments. maybe they will become used to the intensity...at any rate, thats frickin cool you have a "no in no out" room of that size. Im looking to have one by next year 
CROPALOTAPOT
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Thanks Higherlearning, yea no ins no outs is the way to go... I have already seen the tips of my Pineapple burn and curl and that is why I have the lights where they are but I will be lowering as soon as I train them down to a more even canopy (seed growth not being as even as clone) but their is no shortage of wattage per square foot in that setup....
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HigherLearning420
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man thats just beautiful. wish i had a light intensity problem lol
CROPALOTAPOT
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No Jnuggs by Canadian law I can only have 49 plants in total. Vegging and flowering, so next run I will have 1 Mom 24 vegging and 24 flowering dwc buckects...
d.c. beard
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So Crop, if I wanted to try DWC on one plant in my tent along with the others to see how it affects yield what's a very simple, SMALL, and effective setup that would leave me the option of expanding and adding more sites if it turned out that I liked it? I don't want to spend a million bucks on an experiment, but it doesn't have to be dirt cheap either (although that never hurts!).
What would you suggest?
What would you suggest?
CROPALOTAPOT
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Hey D.C, DWC is actually fairly in-expensive setup. A decent air pump will be needed with even the smallest of setups. Air is the #1 most overlooked thing with dwc I believe..
Then its only 2 five gallon buckets, 1 for a controller and one for production, connect them with as thick of hosing you can find for optimal flow and make sure you have a water pump as well recirculating the water from controller to production bucket, connect em all throw nutes in and your off....
Cheers
Then its only 2 five gallon buckets, 1 for a controller and one for production, connect them with as thick of hosing you can find for optimal flow and make sure you have a water pump as well recirculating the water from controller to production bucket, connect em all throw nutes in and your off....
Cheers
d.c. beard
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OK so I know I need the pump and air lines. I know I need the production bucket with an airstone in the bottom for the plant. I've heard of the 'controller', but what the hell does this thing actually do anyway? If I have a pump why do I need a controller?
And how do you mix your nutes (I'm assuming you use hydro nutes) and how often do you have to do something crazy like drain, clean, and refill the reservoir?
Got a brand/model recommendation?
Integra21
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If you're just looking to try it out, I would get a pair of 2 gallon buckets($10) from the local hardware store, a 30 gallon or up air pump($20-$65), 2 5" air discs($12), a couple of netpots($3) and a small bag of hydrotron($10). Then you simply drill a small hole high on the bucket to fit the air line for the stone, place the stone in the bottom of each bucket, cut a hole in one of the lids for the netpot, and you've go a dwc setup. If using chemical nutrients(GH Flora, Technaflora, ect) change the res every 1-2 weeks, if organic(not recomended for first run) only let it go about a week. when it comes time to change the res, just fill up your second bucket with fresh nutrients, lift the lid, plant and all, off of the old and drop it ontop of the new. Res change complete. It is very simple, as long as you have a good ph and ppm pen. any other questions, feel free to ask, here are links to what I would use to build it....
the buckets(any local hardware store)
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=194347-1152-20256&lpage=none
Air Pump(the bigger the better,These are what I personally use)
http://www.growlightexpress.com/pumps-irrigation-41/air-pumps-42/dual-diaphragm-air-pump-270.html
Two 5" air discs(like these the best out of the cheap stones)
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752196
Netpots(3")&Hydrotron(10l)(usually need to order online or have a local grow store)
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=387
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=38
the buckets(any local hardware store)
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=194347-1152-20256&lpage=none
Air Pump(the bigger the better,These are what I personally use)
http://www.growlightexpress.com/pumps-irrigation-41/air-pumps-42/dual-diaphragm-air-pump-270.html
Two 5" air discs(like these the best out of the cheap stones)
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752196
Netpots(3")&Hydrotron(10l)(usually need to order online or have a local grow store)
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=387
http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=38
Integra21
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forgot to mention the above setup only has 2 buckets for easy res changes, no controller bucket, the air pump I listed is good for 1-4 buckest easily, i have used it to run 8, but prefer to keep it down to 4. I prefer the Techniflora recipe for success set, works great in hydro. Usually mix as directed as far as ratios go, but always set to a specific ppm and ph. for fresh rooted clones, I shoot for around 300-40ppm w/[email protected], with larger plants and mothers 500-800ppmw/[email protected] and flowering girls will vary depending on what stage of flower they're in so 800-1200ppm w/[email protected]. stay within these guidelines and it should go great, just keep an eye on the girls to see if they have higher or lower food requirements, but these are good generic amounts to start with. forgot about the cleanup, after a res change, take the old bucket and give it a thourough rinse and scrub with hot water(no soap) making sire to get any nutrient film or organic matter out and get the airstone and line as well, this way, each res change the plant gets new food in a clean bucket.
d.c. beard
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Awesome info buddy, I think I'm going to try it on the next run! Side by side comparison to truly show the effect on yield...of course I'll have to make a journal for it. 
So how high up the bucket should I fill it with water, and how strong do you mix the nutes (synthetic first time)? I'm assuming you aim for a hydro Ph of 5.8?
Oh and the hyroton pellets don't retain too much moisture? Do I run the pump 24/7 or on intervals?
Sorry for the barrage of questions, but I've got ya in the hotseat and I want to make the most of it! Thanks again!
So how high up the bucket should I fill it with water, and how strong do you mix the nutes (synthetic first time)? I'm assuming you aim for a hydro Ph of 5.8?
Oh and the hyroton pellets don't retain too much moisture? Do I run the pump 24/7 or on intervals?
Sorry for the barrage of questions, but I've got ya in the hotseat and I want to make the most of it! Thanks again!
Integra21
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Water level is supposed to be about 1" below the bottom of the net pot. If you run a ton of air, that rule doesnt apply. I fill mine to about half way up the netpot. The post above lists in detail how strong to mix the nutrients, but generically about 50% strenghth, depending on what nutrients you use. The hydrotron retains almost no water and nutrients, and you run the air pump 24/7. The particular pump I gave a link to only uses 6watts, so not much of an effect on the electric bill. Any other questions feel free to ask.Awesome info buddy, I think I'm going to try it on the next run! Side by side comparison to truly show the effect on yield...of course I'll have to make a journal for it.
So how high up the bucket should I fill it with water, and how strong do you mix the nutes (synthetic first time)? I'm assuming you aim for a hydro Ph of 5.8?
Oh and the hyroton pellets don't retain too much moisture? Do I run the pump 24/7 or on intervals?
Sorry for the barrage of questions, but I've got ya in the hotseat and I want to make the most of it! Thanks again!
d.c. beard
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I think I have it now, thanks for the help! Now just have to get to the shop and buy my goodies hehehe...
lsdn420
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Dude this is a great post, thanks for all the info + instructions for a small setup to run a trial..I've been wanting to try a setup like this for years, but was nervous about trying it...but your pics of the rootmass are badace!!..do you know what sort of yields you got from each run?
Integra21
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The first run I got 9.75oz. off of 5 plants of White widow. This weight was with nutrient burn and other problems still kicking out crazy bud, the second run hit a chemical catastrophy and died, and the third run is in progress with a Single mango plant, my guess is around 2oz, but it was just a quick grow as a single plant test, and the next batch of clones is ready to go in about 2 weeks with 4 Blue Kush clones. If you go through the whole journal, all of this is there with lots of pics, the best ones being of the widow, in the first 3rd of the journal.