Ron Paul--Tea Party '07

[Wavels]

I wanted to start a new thread on Paul in order to increase his visibility and raise awareness....there is enough time remaining before elections to spread the word!

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[Wavels]

I have noticed a recent flurry of articles from both ends of the political spectrum highly critical of Paul and some of his supporters...Hmmm
Seems to me that many of the pundits are beginning to sense a real threat to the entrenched and thoroughly corrupt political status quo!

For anyone interested, here is a piece from the right wing which is close to hysterical panic.....
Paul "likes" Nazis.....hahahaha!
American Thinker: The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

 

[medicineman]

I'd like to take this time to invite all on this forum to donate to the Medicineman retirement fund. A donation of 100.00 per person would be greatly appreciated and might include you on my seedsforfree mailing list. The donations will be greatly appreciated and will go to a better cause than throwing money away on a candidate that has no chance of winning the nomination. You all know Guliani is the neo-con choice for president and any others need not apply. Guliani is the one person that would keep the insanity going for all the elites. PM me for donation details, I'll take cash only, thank you.

 

[ViRedd]

I'm afraid Med is right. (Gawd, did I really say that!?)

Ron Paul is the only liberty devotee on either ticket. As such, he is a huge threat to the status quo. I love Ron Paul's thinking. I love his books on the money issue. I would love to see him get elected. But ... voting for Ron Paul would be like voting for Ross Perot. Remember, Ross Perot got 20% of the vote ... and without Perot, the Clinton criminal family would never have gained access to the White House. I'm afraid that voting for Ron Paul would ensure Hillary's to continuation of the Clinton's evil criminal enterprise.

Vi

PS: I saw Mitt Romney interviewed on Glenn Beck's show last night. Glenn asked some hard-ball questions ... and Romney fielded everyone of them. The guy sounds good to me.

 

[Wavels]

I'm afraid Med is right. (Gawd, did I really say that!?)

I'm afraid that voting for Ron Paul would ensure Hillary's to continuation of the Clinton's evil criminal enterprise.
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Well I think you two guys have miscalculated.....(hopefully)!


I think it is possible that If Paul were to run as an independent, he would siphon off more of the Dem votes….like John Anderson did to Jimmy Carter vs. Reagan in 1980.
Paul running third party may very well help prevent Hillary from reaching the Whitehouse (assuming she wins Dem nomination)
As much as I dislike the Repubs, Mitt or Rudy are both infinitely superior to the prospect of another Clinton Whitehouse!

Let the games begin!

 

[7xstall]

these things can and do change quickly, there's no way to predict anything right now. it is a fact that ultra-neo-con Rudy and ultra-neo-lib Hillary are the top goons; that can change and in reality it rests in their own hands.

another self-destructive blunder by either will shake things up considerably.


ps-
you better watch out, Wavels! the media has reported that the Tea Party idea might be related to terrorism... lol








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[Wavels]

ps-
you better watch out, Wavels! the media has reported that the Tea Party idea might be related to terrorism... lol

LOL it is gonna be fun to see the hyperventilating and shrill denunciations coming from the MSM....they truly despise Paul....

 

[medicineman]

LOL it is gonna be fun to see the hyperventilating and shrill denunciations coming from the MSM....they truly despise Paul....

And why is that? Could it be that the MSM is owned and controlled by elites and corporate moguls like Rupert fucking Murdoch. If I thought Paul had a snowballs chance in hell, I might vote for him myself, but to take votes from the Democrats, (As fucked as they are) and let another repuke rule the country for 4 more years, is absolutely unthinkable. If that happens, this country will resemble Bosnia or Croatia or some other eastern european country, with no middle class and only rich and poor, And definently a police state with no medical services for the poor and more gulags for everyone else.

 

[iblazethatkush]

I got a great idea. Instead of paying taxes this year, let's send them to Ron Paul. And when Paul takes office, he'll pardon us for not paying.

 

[silk]

I'd like to take this time to invite all on this forum to donate to the Medicineman retirement fund. A donation of 100.00 per person would be greatly appreciated and might include you on my seedsforfree mailing list. The donations will be greatly appreciated and will go to a better cause than throwing money away on a candidate that has no chance of winning the nomination. You all know Guliani is the neo-con choice for president and any others need not apply. Guliani is the one person that would keep the insanity going for all the elites. PM me for donation details, I'll take cash only, thank you.

Damn, you're funny again!

cheers!

 

[silk]

PS: I saw Mitt Romney interviewed on Glenn Beck's show last night. Glenn asked some hard-ball questions ... and Romney fielded everyone of them. The guy sounds good to me.

Romney is a brilliant businessman. Running a country like a business would be helpful in these times...

 

[iblazethatkush]

I think it is possible that If Paul were to run as an independent, he would siphon off more of the Dem votes….like John Anderson did to Jimmy Carter vs. Reagan in 1980.
Paul running third party may very well help prevent Hillary from reaching the Whitehouse (assuming she wins Dem nomination)
As much as I dislike the Repubs, Mitt or Rudy are both infinitely superior to the prospect of another Clinton Whitehouse!

Let the games begin!

This is very true. If he were to run as an independent, he would take votes from the dems and the Republican nomination would win. Luckily, he has said he will only run as the Republican nomintation. If, by some miracle, he can get the Repub nominaton he has a very real shot at winning. Don't lose hope yet, he can still win this. But, Rudy is definitely the worst possible candidate with Hilary being a close second.

 

[iblazethatkush]

Romney is a brilliant businessman. Running a country like a business would be helpful in these times...

I'm sorry Silk, I usually like your posts, but this is retarded. We got a businessman running the country now. Do you really think things are going that smoothly, right now?

 

[silk]

I'm sorry Silk, I usually like your posts, but this is retarded. We got a businessman running the country now. Do you really think things are going that smoothly, right now?

You can't say one businessman is the same as the next. That's where you went wrong. If you look into Romney's track record as governor of Massachusetts and his track record before his public political life you will see something much different than Dubya.

Lets take it back to the metaphor. If the U.S. was run like a business then it would be making money not losing money. As citizens we would have our parts in this business/country. Spending money in a business outside of overhead is either spent on creating more sales or making the business itself stronger. In other words, the money spent on turning Iraq into the world's biggest golf course could have been used for national health care, college scholarships or building levees in New Orleans... or whatever else to make this country(business) stronger.

 

[Smirgen]

People who think Ron Paul has no chance are the ones who need to ween themselves off the media tit and think for themselves, maybe do some research and realize that they finally have an opportunity to vote for the best man for the job instead of the lesser of two evils.

YouTube - Why is the controlled media so scared of RON PAUL?

YouTube - Ron Paul for the Long Haul

 

[surfpunk]

People who think Ron Paul has no chance are the ones who need to ween themselves off the media tit and think for themselves, maybe do some research and realize that they finally have an opportunity to vote for the best man for the job instead of the lesser of two evils.

YouTube - Why is the controlled media so scared of RON PAUL?

YouTube - Ron Paul for the Long Haul

I agree, what is this bullshit about trowing away votes on an "unvinible" candidate, iven if my vote is the only one counted for Ron Paul it will still be there, its not about voting for the wining team, its about doing the right thing regardless of media and party politics...I am a democrat and I am voting for Paul.

 

[iblazethatkush]

You can't say one businessman is the same as the next. That's where you went wrong. If you look into Romney's track record as governor of Massachusetts and his track record before his public political life you will see something much different than Dubya.

Lets take it back to the metaphor. If the U.S. was run like a business then it would be making money not losing money. As citizens we would have our parts in this business/country. Spending money in a business outside of overhead is either spent on creating more sales or making the business itself stronger. In other words, the money spent on turning Iraq into the world's biggest golf course could have been used for national health care, college scholarships or building levees in New Orleans... or whatever else to make this country(business) stronger.

If he actually ran the country like that it would be great. I just don't trust businessmen. I'd be afraid he would be more worried about making himself rich than the country. We don't need a businessman. What we need is Ron Paul

 

[medicineman]

Business is what is running the country and what a fucking mess they have made. The rich have definently gotten richer while the rest of us have taken it up the Culo (Ass). Global crossing, Adelphia, Enron, etc are poster children for business acumen. Profit is king, fuck everything else. Fuck employees and their needs, Fuck the environment, Fuck competition, (they make price deals with the competition to keep them inflated, example: big oil). Yeah running the country like a business would surely make some people richer, the already rich, but everyone else would take the hit. Baaaad Idea!!!

 

[clekstro]

And why is that? Could it be that the MSM is owned and controlled by elites and corporate moguls like Rupert fucking Murdoch. If I thought Paul had a snowballs chance in hell, I might vote for him myself, but to take votes from the Democrats, (As fucked as they are) and let another repuke rule the country for 4 more years, is absolutely unthinkable. If that happens, this country will resemble Bosnia or Croatia or some other eastern european country, with no middle class and only rich and poor, And definently a police state with no medical services for the poor and more gulags for everyone else.

This is wormy reasoning, Med. Everyone discounts the MSM's depiction of the war in Iraq, of illegal immigration, the drug war, wiretapping, torture, secret prisons; and it goes without saying that there are many on this forum who actually support what I consider repulsive. But I have a serious question:

Given the level of manipulation everyone apparently knows the MSM to exercise, why does everyone believe Ron Paul has no chance of winning? I read this from the Paul campaign:

"Of 41 recent straw polls across the U.S., Ron Paul has won 21, with numerous second and third place finishes." That means, of all the actual votes casted where Ron Paul's name was on the ballot, he has won the majority and placed in the top three on numerous other occasions. He is winning the after debate text-polling, internet polls (everyone discounts the internet as a valid sign of opinion, but that's ridiculous: FOX reported just a couple weeks ago that 80% of the adult American population has internet access.), most military donations, etc. Hasn't anyone watched the Penn and Teller YouTube video on polling: YouTube - Penn and Teller Defend Ron Paul vs. Luntz and Fox News.

The polls are dishonest. But that's only half of the manipulation that leads an otherwise reasonable person, like Med, to sacrifice his vote for a paradigm that is constructed and flexible and conjured up in the American imagination instead of voting his conscience. He is so aware of media distortion that he is cynical enough to believe in its fated truth. The machine is so big it must be right. I don't believe this, and objective evidence leads me to the opposite conclusion: Ron Paul has a very good chance if people who liked his ideas were not so easily segregated to partisanship and corralled into party-pens, jackasses and dumbo's alike. Americans are being pushed to voting for the second or third choice based on a false and self-righteous "realism" what might be labeled Machiavellian voting. But Machiavellian voting will give you a front-runner from either party opposed to full Iraq withdrawal and a supporter of further militarism and extravagant taxation and fraud. It steals from everyone by promoting the interests of groups within our society, and a corrupt partisanship is preserved because of the dependence of the people on the government programs connected to their political party, or their mortal fear of the myth of Islamofascism. (The concept in my mind is as illuminating as the term "evil cloud of blackness")

I hope that people apply their same keen and sharp reasoning faculties past the two-channel television set and see the American problems that no other candidate talks about but Ron Paul. We should focus on the explanation of these phenomena and instead of focusing on the personality and benefits that should control the damage of the last seven years. Personality is the American weakness, the political pornography played at every dinner table and recited as if words were dust that piled reason and time and made new manipulations seem like old truths on a shelf. We talk about what kind of actor we want, what kind of role and image a president should have, and we are discouraged to discuss any issue at great length by limiting debate to 2 minute responses in which the most platitudes and Frank Luntz "feel-good-words" are lobbed out while the candidate never delves into actual policy debates and what assumptions underlie their belligerence. That no one will speak about the fact that we will spend $1,000,000,000,000 for the first time ever on defense, will not change the fact that we will owe another (1 000 000 000 000 / 300 000 000) =$3 333.33333 per American. Add that to the $70 trillion in domestic debt.

It is not minority of people who vote their conscience that is the problem; it is a society that has forgotten why it's supposed to vote and is too stupid to realize how badly they're being robbed from to vote for someone opposed to it. I just hope you understand what you're rationalizing, Med.

 

[7xstall]

This is wormy reasoning, Med. Everyone discounts the MSM's depiction of the war in Iraq, of illegal immigration, the drug war, wiretapping, torture, secret prisons; and it goes without saying that there are many on this forum who actually support what I consider repulsive. But I have a serious question:

Given the level of manipulation everyone apparently knows the MSM to exercise, why does everyone believe Ron Paul has no chance of winning? I read this from the Paul campaign:

"Of 41 recent straw polls across the U.S., Ron Paul has won 21, with numerous second and third place finishes." That means, of all the actual votes casted where Ron Paul's name was on the ballot, he has won the majority and placed in the top three on numerous other occasions. He is winning the after debate text-polling, internet polls (everyone discounts the internet as a valid sign of opinion, but that's ridiculous: FOX reported just a couple weeks ago that 80% of the adult American population has internet access.), most military donations, etc. Hasn't anyone watched the Penn and Teller YouTube video on polling: YouTube - Penn and Teller Defend Ron Paul vs. Luntz and Fox News.

The polls are dishonest. But that's only half of the manipulation that leads an otherwise reasonable person, like Med, to sacrifice his vote for a paradigm that is constructed and flexible and conjured up in the American imagination instead of voting his conscience. He is so aware of media distortion that he is cynical enough to believe in its fated truth. The machine is so big it must be right. I don't believe this, and objective evidence leads me to the opposite conclusion: Ron Paul has a very good chance if people who liked his ideas were not so easily segregated to partisanship and corralled into party-pens, jackasses and dumbo's alike. Americans are being pushed to voting for the second or third choice based on a false and self-righteous "realism" what might be labeled Machiavellian voting. But Machiavellian voting will give you a front-runner from either party opposed to full Iraq withdrawal and a supporter of further militarism and extravagant taxation and fraud. It steals from everyone by promoting the interests of groups within our society, and a corrupt partisanship is preserved because of the dependence of the people on the government programs connected to their political party, or their mortal fear of the myth of Islamofascism. (The concept in my mind is as illuminating as the term "evil cloud of blackness")

I hope that people apply their same keen and sharp reasoning faculties past the two-channel television set and see the American problems that no other candidate talks about but Ron Paul. We should focus on the explanation of these phenomena and instead of focusing on the personality and benefits that should control the damage of the last seven years. Personality is the American weakness, the political pornography played at every dinner table and recited as if words were dust that piled reason and time and made new manipulations seem like old truths on a shelf. We talk about what kind of actor we want, what kind of role and image a president should have, and we are discouraged to discuss any issue at great length by limiting debate to 2 minute responses in which the most platitudes and Frank Luntz "feel-good-words" are lobbed out while the candidate never delves into actual policy debates and what assumptions underlie their belligerence. That no one will speak about the fact that we will spend $1,000,000,000,000 for the first time ever on defense, will not change the fact that we will owe another (1 000 000 000 000 / 300 000 000) =$3 333.33333 per American. Add that to the $70 trillion in domestic debt.

It is not minority of people who vote their conscience that is the problem; it is a society that has forgotten why it's supposed to vote and is too stupid to realize how badly they're being robbed from to vote for someone opposed to it. I just hope you understand what you're rationalizing, Med.

this is the best post in the history of the Internet.








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