Lollipopping

[Joe Camel]

lol let me get some updates up and I'll follow through.

Just a basic run down.
I joined this thread a while ago cause I was interested and have done several different techniques.
From Supercropping, 12/12 from seed and in that 101 page thread growing monster bushes
ie:

Now This round Im Lolipopping all my trees and growing them smaller to maximize the main colas
and hopefully see that I dont end up with pop corn buds like you do when you have bushes going.
I have been trying to find the best niche.
I have trimmed all the plants probably 3-4 nodes from the bottom.
Here is a picture Of one of my Widow clones I started to lollipop.

 

[Uncle Ben]

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[fatman7574]

lol let me get some updates up and I'll follow through.

Just a basic run down.
I joined this thread a while ago cause I was interested and have done several different techniques.
From Supercropping, 12/12 from seed and in that 101 page thread growing monster bushes
ie:

Now This round Im Lolipopping all my trees and growing them smaller to maximize the main colas
and hopefully see that I dont end up with pop corn buds like you do when you have bushes going.
I have been trying to find the best niche.
I have trimmed all the plants probably 3-4 nodes from the bottom.
Here is a picture Of one of my Widow clones I started to lollipop.

Cute liitle baby buds. Obviously not impressive.

 

[fatman7574]

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Now that is a healty natural plant that beats heel out of the lollipop baby buds. Likely even a faster grow. Lollipopping is just unnecessary faddish butchery.

 

[HookedOnChronic]

nice camel what week flower is that widow plant at? and what strain was that bush

 

[MRsteverson]

Now that is a healty natural plant that beats heel out of the lollipop baby buds. Likely even a faster grow. Lollipopping is just unnecessary faddish butchery.

ignorance not accepted... prove it wrong.. so many variables to consider.. i think lollypopping makes for the best yeild and you end up growing more smaller plants faster.. so your wrong.. very wrong and ignorant.. obviously if u veg a plant and then flower its gonna be bigger and more impressive..id take my 20 lollipoped plants over 5 big boys any day.. faster and colas only no fluff a NOTHING

 

[MRsteverson]

Now that is a healty natural plant that beats heel out of the lollipop baby buds. Likely even a faster grow. Lollipopping is just unnecessary faddish butchery.

and also.. if thats uncle bens picture he manipulates the crap out of his plants.. topping fiming supercroping.. he knows and experiments with them all... im sure he will agree with me on this one.. we are indeed growing artificially so why not make the plant grow to my, not its needs

 

[fatman7574]

Boysteverson,
I grow quick turn around Sogs from 1 week vegged clones without pinching, trimming, pruning or pinching. I know what I am doing and I know my grows out perform your lollipop crap grows. Your blatant ignorance of growing is shining through in this issue. I don't know Uncle Ben personally so I have no idea what he does to his crops and I very much doubt that you know either. The plant he posted the picture of shows no evidence of trimming. pruning or any other manipulation. Your just another child talking trash. He obviously does not agree with you he has stated leave them alone and let them grow. So child, you are merely talking out of your blow hole again.

 

[DaveCoulier]

Joe, I feel sorry for you right now. You're gonna catch more flak than you want, but I applaud your willingness to experiment with lollipopping. If we believed 100% of everything we read on these forums, were going to get some bad advice along the way guaranteed. Experimenting is the only way you will know for certain what works and what doesn't. Even if you dont get the results you are looking for, at least you learned something.

Oh and please no one put me in either camps side regarding this debate thats going on. All I have is an opinion, which I will kindly keep to myself since I dont have enough experience to present a side.

On a side note, anyone out there willing to do a side by side grow using clones to prove/disprove whether it really works or not?

 

[fatman7574]

Joe, I feel sorry for you right now. You're gonna catch more flak than you want, but I applaud your willingness to experiment with lollipopping. If we believed 100% of everything we read on these forums, were going to get some bad advice along the way guaranteed. Experimenting is the only way you will know for certain what works and what doesn't. Even if you dont get the results you are looking for, at least you learned something.

Oh and please no one put me in either camps side regarding this debate thats going on. All I have is an opinion, which I will kindly keep to myself since I dont have enough experience to present a side.

On a side note, anyone out there willing to do a side by side grow using clones to prove/disprove whether it really works or not?

Already been done by many people, including me. I tried it several decades agowith dirt grown sogs, and with NTF and with aero. Un trimmed, pruned, bent or butchered plants finish quicker and produces larger yields and higher quality buds. Likely none of those people who have also done side by sides still lollipop or manipulate anymore.

 

[Katatawnic]

id take my 20 lollipoped plants over 5 big boys any day.. faster and colas only no fluff a NOTHING

Thing is, in a situation like mine, you can not have 20 plants. I've got medical status in my state with a hubby in the military, so I have to do all of this 100% under my state's laws/guidelines. It's not my life that's at stake nearly as much as his life and career. So I'll stick to my six maximum bushes, and be happy to use my "popcorn" buds for cooking or waiting for the bigs buds to finish curing, etc.

I lollipopped my first grow, after having been instructed to do so by a local grower/seller who's been doing it for years, to "redirect" the plant's energy to the colas. My next round I didn't, and yielded a good ounce or so more per plant. (Same strains each round, cloned both times.) The main colas weren't any larger or denser with lollipopping than without, so there goes the whole "redirecting energy" thing... which I must say I didn't buy anyway, but did lollipop anyhow due to not having enough air circulation nor enough money to rectify this at the time.

I can see lollipopping for SOG growing, as the concept is solely to cram a lot of little plants into a tight space. I personally don't see it as a "better" set up for anything but SOG, which, again, some of us aren't at liberty to do. ("Personally" being the key word. I'm not looking for a fight, and don't need the drama. Like Dave, it's my opinion. Just my two cents' worth, and my experience.)

 

[fatman7574]

I think bending and such a great method of growing for legal grows where plant numbers are limited by law. However I see them as absurd if your going for a quick turn around and high yield and high quailty. A clone left to grow without physical manipulations just out performs and out produces a lollipopped grow and does it in less time with less labor. Afterall who wants to lollipop hung dreds or thousands of plants if they are just going to receive less yield at a higher production cost.

 

[DaveCoulier]

Fatman, and Kata thanks for chiming in with your experiences of experimenting with it before. I appreciate it.

Kat: I also agree that I can see the use of it in a SOG grow to fit more plants in, but I wonder why they dont just grow a strain that is more suited to a single cola with minimal side-branching. Surely that would be a better option instead of manipulating their plants for worse..just to fit into the space. Ooops. I think I put out my opinion there Of course if you like what you're growing and dont want to switch, that makes sense, but I think there'd be fun in continually growing plants out until you find that special pheno that fits your needs. But thats just my opinion

 

[fatman7574]

What iI have found is that mostly the autos provide the best single stem growth without excessive side branching, but auto's are usually not good cloning stock. Growing a mass of autos from seed is a too slow process. Unless you produce your own seeds from your own autos cost would be prohibitive. Who wants to grow SOG's where each female seedling likely cost $10 as half the $5 seeds will likely be females.

 

[rekl00se]

I'm pretty sure this is my first post on this or any other marijuana forum for that matter. I am about two months into my first grow in partnership with a friend of mine who has some horticultural experience but not with herb. I have just finished reading all 30 pages of this thread and realized an immediate need for me to get my hands on as many books and sources of information as possible so that I may be far more informed than I am currently. I would like to specifically ask UB and fatman a few questions - What do you recommend for reading material for those starting out? Do you have any thoughts on aeroponic systems? - this is what I am currently setup for. Could anyone expound more on not flushing your plants before harvest? Any links to previous posts that have already covered any of these questions would also be greatly appreciated.

 

[rekl00se]

ooops - post #5 - forgot about october - hehe

 

[stoner1984]

Could anyone expound more on not flushing your plants before harvest?

I've read reports on lab tests where plants or more specifically the flowers were tested for nutrient content, the plants that were flushed still contained the same ammount as plants that were not flushed.

This would seems to imply that flushing is has little purpose but i'm sure some people would contest this to the bitter end.

The way i see it, flushing will just cause the plants to use the reserve nutes in the foliage and the buds will still be given nutes till the time of harvest.

Wish i could remember where i read the report, not even sure it was cannabis related.

 

[Uncle Ben]

and also.. if thats uncle bens picture he manipulates the crap out of his plants.. topping fiming supercroping.. he knows and experiments with them all... im sure he will agree with me on this one.. we are indeed growing artificially so why not make the plant grow to my, not its needs

That is my plant and if you knew anything about a natural plant profile, you realize it was not pruned or trained at all. Most of the training, tricks, I see around here are stupid and I have not practiced any of them, so get your facts straight about my gardening techniques. I wouldn't think twice about doing SCROG for example.

This is how you get high yields, by producing AND retaining the most leaves possible right up to harvest.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I lollipopped my first grow, after having been instructed to do so by a local grower/seller who's been doing it for years, to "redirect" the plant's energy to the colas.

You should have stopped him right there and asked him to define "energy". That's a loose term used by folks who don't know squat. The only "energy" I'm aware of is that produced by the sun, photons collected by the leaves used in the making of simple and complex carbos, proteins, enyzmes, etc. which is what drives bud production.

My next round I didn't, and yielded a good ounce or so more per plant.

Of course. I had a friend who also thought that by removing the lower part of his branches he would redirect this "cosmic energy" to what's left. He had a control group and of course at the end of the year the untouched, leafy seedlings were heavier, healthier, taller than those who had their branches removed. I'm talking ag stuff now, hundreds of saplings.

I have found that cramming plants in a garden makes no difference one way or the other. Light WILL get to the lower levels, mostly R and FR light. You leave the stuff alone. The plant knows when to drop a non-productive leaf, it's a CO2 flag built into the plant's "control" processes.

This silly practice might have evolved from our Grandma removing the suckers on a tomato plant, the foliage coming from the axis of a leaf petiole. A similiar practice and of course stupid if you understand botany.

UB

 

[rekl00se]

thanks stoner 1984. any other knowledge out there in regards to whether or not to flush before harvest? specifically when dealing with aeroponics(not sure if it would make a diff)....