Turbogarden (Ebb & Flow) vs. Econojet(not 2x2) vs. Waterfarm

[guitarabuser]

How many plants can u get in that tray, anyways? And are u cloning , or seeds. Also, are u using the containers? Thanks for the help brother, and stop abusing them guitars... They need love 2. LMAO! Peace!

The megagarden has 15 sites using 5x5 containers. I have grown with them the past 3 runs and all is good. It's hard to get a full tray going, there always seems to be a runt or problem child to weed out. I ran two of them on my last grow with them staggered two weeks apart. I've grown plenty of clones and seeds. The last was a mix of Great white shark and Purple Lady. On one tray I had 13 plants and pulled 17 ozs dry.

 

[tea tree]

right on. First I use GH three part with the hard water micro and straight un dechlorinated from the faucet tapwater. I have no probs at all and growth is good. I have never noticed algae nor do I think there will be. The floods are breif and the water is well churned and oxygenated. Plus I ooxygenate the res. I also use some h202 once in a while.

I grow from seed and clone. So far in ebb and flow I have only grown in rockwool. I place rapid rooters into the four inch cubes. I am doing mine in one gallon nursery pots and no matter how I work it I can always only fit 14 of anything into a turbgarden. I dont recomend more.

I prefer faster floods. So I am waiting until the roots grow out of rockwool, about two to three weeks and then placeing hydroton under the cubes. When this gets over a three inchs I will increase the floods to once every two hours. I have started the plants in hydrton once. I used small level of hydroton for the first week. Then I added more every week when the roots poked out. IT worked brilliantly and I am doing that in the future. So I have grown in other than rockwool. This time I was out of hydroton and has some rockwool laying around so I used that. Rockwool is cool with GH, no ph probs, GH buffers like astronuats, but rockwool wil grow algae like crazy if you dont cover the cubes.

I am vegging and keeping donator plants in ebb and flows. Then I plan to flower in five gallon buckets with 10 inch netpot lids. Using drippers on stakes and return hoses back to the res on the bottom. I saw this working for a lot of dudes.

Another strategy that I am using is too use a four inch cube and when is full place another four inch cube underneath. This has given me a huge plant! In flower It is great. I however am not sure about all that rockwool to buy. I saw a case on CL for 50 bucks once. Lol. Just wait it out. CL always dleivers

I know you want a pro white system. But I found a 2x3 cment tray at lowes for 10 bucks and a 27 gallon sturdy black and yellow tote thing that is perfect for reservoirs. That is 10 bucks. Add a 10 dollar eBay botancare ebb and flow ficture and a 20 dollar eBay pump and some dollar peices of Lowes tubing and you are set.


The best part about ebb and flow for us first year growers is moving plants around. Well for all growers but it sure is fun to examine yur girls when you feel like it.

I might use my 3x3 to flower. But i want some legal medical trees, so I got to figure out how to use five gallon buickets on a table. Drip is the only sure way I can think of. Ecept a top flood. Lol.

At this nursery they flood all their plants on tables in dirt. Five gallons and on too. But soil is diferent that fast and clean hydro.

If you got the money the turbogarden is nice. But if it is tight then make it yurself dude. I built a 1.2x2.5 tray and it is nice but I did not see the 2x3 cement trays too. Very sturdy. The only real reason to buy the botanicare is the channels on the bottom. When using cemnt trays the water can pool. Nothing serious. but perfectionist is Botanicare. It would only really matter in rockwool.


Gl.

 

[I♥BUD]

The megagarden has 15 sites using 5x5 containers. I have grown with them the past 3 runs and all is good. It's hard to get a full tray going, there always seems to be a runt or problem child to weed out. I ran two of them on my last grow with them staggered two weeks apart. I've grown plenty of clones and seeds. The last was a mix of Great white shark and Purple Lady. On one tray I had 13 plants and pulled 17 ozs dry.

Dude! u got 13 plants on 1 of those tray????? and ur getting 1.3 oz's off of 1 plant? Sweet! I mean I normally pull about 3-4 oz a plant from seed(in a DWC system, but I can only grow so many. It gets bushy. Like this is the biggest grow I've done, and it's in soilless soil. Six girls under 1k, split between a 400 watter and a 600 watter, and the girls are crammed in 2 1/2 x 4 area. I'm hoping for at least 12 oz's. So it be nice to have a nicer yield in a smaller more compact area. Now it seems everyone is really recommending the Turbogarden, but I'm thinking..... Can I... Or I know I can..... Would it be wise to try doing the same thing in a 3x3 table. using 5x5x7 containers, filled with hydroton? Or how is the coco media with ebb & flows. Never used coco, don't know anything but that it's coconut husk(I think). but I've seen this Ready Gro that Botanicare makes, but it's seems like it's the made of the same exact stuff I use now(Sunshine Organic Soilless Mix). If u've got any comments about those media.. Please throw them at me. Oh yeah I won't use Rockwool. Lol! Sorry I use those Super Starter Plugs.

 

[tea tree]

lol, I got an ounce off a turbogarden pot, but I vegged three weeks and I used rockwool. I did it on a table by itself cuz it was my only female. First hydro grow really. I would suggest hydroton if you want max yeild. More air. That is the goal. Plus you can feed more with the faster drying medium. Good luck.

 

[I♥BUD]

right on. First I use GH three part with the hard water micro and straight un dechlorinated from the faucet tapwater. I have no probs at all and growth is good. I have never noticed algae nor do I think there will be. The floods are breif and the water is well churned and oxygenated. Plus I ooxygenate the res. DO u add air stones in ur res? I would have to keep my res aerated, with some of the goodies I use.
I also use some h202 once in a while. 3


I grow from seed and clone. So far in ebb and flow I have only grown in rockwool. I place rapid rooters into the four inch cubes. If by Rapid Rooters, u mean those Super Starter Plugs(rubberized peat moss, i think is wat the hydro guy told me they were), that's all I use, besides Hydroton or soil. But I start in those plugs. I won't use Rockwool cause those Starter Plugs are GREAT! U don't have to treat them, or condition them. No pH issues with those. Can u not use them throught ur gro? Why not just put them into Hydroton into ur conatiners?
I am doing mine in one gallon nursery pots and no matter how I work it I can always only fit 14 of anything into a turbgarden. I dont recomend more.

I prefer faster floods. So I am waiting until the roots grow out of rockwool, about two to three weeks and then placeing hydroton under the cubes. When this gets over a three inchs I will increase the floods to once every two hours. I have started the plants in hydrton once. I used small level of hydroton for the first week. Then I added more every week when the roots poked out. IT worked brilliantly and I am doing that in the future. So I have grown in other than rockwool. This time I was out of hydroton and has some rockwool laying around so I used that. Rockwool is cool with GH, no ph probs, GH buffers like astronuats, but rockwool wil grow algae like crazy if you dont cover the cubes.
I plan on gettin me some GH for some testing, along with Humboldt Nutes. I I already have Liquid KoolBloom, and Floralicious Plus. But I use Dutch Master Gold, and it just doesn't go well with other products.

I am vegging and keeping donator plants in ebb and flows. Then I plan to flower in five gallon buckets with 10 inch netpot lids. Using drippers on stakes and return hoses back to the res on the bottom. I saw this working for a lot of dudes.

Another strategy that I am using is too use a four inch cube and when is full place another four inch cube underneath. This has given me a huge plant! In flower It is great. I however am not sure about all that rockwool to buy. I saw a case on CL for 50 bucks once. Lol. Just wait it out. CL always dleivers

I know you want a pro white system. But I found a 2x3 cment tray at lowes for 10 bucks and a 27 gallon sturdy black and yellow tote thing that is perfect for reservoirs. That is 10 bucks. Add a 10 dollar eBay botancare ebb and flow ficture and a 20 dollar eBay pump and some dollar peices of Lowes tubing and you are set.
Eventually I will probably, in the future, build a few different DIY systems. I would like to try a DIY Aeroponics, Drip, and so forth. But for now, I'll get a "real" system. and I can always sell it on craigslist for almost what I paid for it, around my way. If I pay $300, and get 1 grow out of it, and sell it for $250, I will feel like I got my $50 worth.

The best part about ebb and flow for us first year growers is moving plants around. Well for all growers but it sure is fun to examine yur girls when you feel like it.

I might use my 3x3 to flower. But i want some legal medical trees, so I got to figure out how to use five gallon buickets on a table. Drip is the only sure way I can think of. Ecept a top flood. Lol. I don't understand why u can't/ or are debating the use of a 3x3 to get medical trees. Please explain. And yes, I also agree that the only way I could think of a 5 gallon on a flood table is drip method.

At this nursery they flood all their plants on tables in dirt. Five gallons and on too. But soil is diferent that fast and clean hydro. Well are u talking about what I mentioned earlier(in my last post, right over this one)? This Ready Gro stuff that Botanicare puts out. It actually comes with the Turbogarden(where I'm ordering it from). And it's the same stuff that's in Sunshine Organic Soilless Mix. I didn't know u could flood with soil. Probably sounds stupid, I know, LMAO! Just Kiddin ppl!

If you got the money the turbogarden is nice. But if it is tight then make it yurself dude. I built a 1.2x2.5 tray and it is nice but I did not see the 2x3 cement trays too. Very sturdy. The only real reason to buy the botanicare is the channels on the bottom. When using cemnt trays the water can pool. Nothing serious. but perfectionist is Botanicare. It would only really matter in rockwool.


Gl.

Thanks dude. Please keep ur advice, and comments coming.

 

[I♥BUD]

Can I just use a bunch of 5x5x7 containers, on a 3x3 table. And flood them that way. Like during veg I could just drip feed them, and once I decide to flower, I can flood the table, with the containers in the table. Is that a good or bad idea. Please explain why?

 

[I♥BUD]

Also What sound better????? A 2x4 for $250 or a 3x3 for $300. Of course that includes the fittings, pump, res w/ lid. I have a 4x4 tent.

 

[I♥BUD]

Ready.... Set..... Vote!

 

[I♥BUD]

We've got a few more days ppl. Let's vote!

 

[I♥BUD]

Econojet tying with Turbogarden......

 

[tea tree]

3x3 s go for 50 dollars on CL all day! Save some money. Bewtween a 2x3 and a 2x2 I would take the 2x3. I run mine in a 4x4 too. Leaves me room in the rest of the tent too. Turbogarden.

 

[I♥BUD]

3x3 s go for 50 dollars on CL all day! Save some money. Bewtween a 2x3 and a 2x2 I would take the 2x3. I run mine in a 4x4 too. Leaves me room in the rest of the tent too. Turbogarden.

Dude I wrote u a post rambling on(not bad though), about how $$$$$ it is around my way. Anyways, I was sooooo freakin stoned when I wrote it, and man it took me a cpl hours. Cause I kept leaving and coming back. but it was a LONG post, and I timed out, and when I went to copy and paste I erased the whole freakin message. MAN!!!!!!!! I am freakin ripped! sorry dude!

 

[tea tree]

lol, I hear you, this is just damned excting to shop for grow supplies. that post thing happens to me all the time. I just remember you posting about driving an hour or something. I can imagine any where else it being like hear. CA. Man, they are selling 200 ounces of purple erkle hear and full on mother plants. 40 dollar 3x3s are a daily thing and so entire systems. Stinkbuds system is full on for sale every day too by various dudes. It costs like 100 bucks to make and it is triple or quadruple in CL. I met a few dudes from riu thru craigslist. Lol. The three by three, is nice, just make sure you get the right res size and need to mix that much nutes. For a three by three I flooded 12-13 gallons per flood. A rubbermaid wont cut it. Unless yu reinforce it, but that is sckethy. If you can afford the econjuet three by three then go for it. That thng is amzingly white, like a lab. And even if you intend to graduate to all that space, all that table space is a godsend to work on when it comes time to trim or work. I found it handy for a three plant run. So going big wont hurt. Forget the economy I mentioned before. I worry about plant numbers here. I also built one of those 2 liter bottle systems. It worked cool, but only for small plants. GL. I would turbogarden, for yer first run, unless you truly wont miss the funds for a 3x3 econojet. That will last forever for sure. You cant go wrong with ebb tables. Waterfarms eveeryone gets sick of.

 

[I♥BUD]

lol, I hear you, this is just damned excting to shop for grow supplies. that post thing happens to me all the time. I just remember you posting about driving an hour or something. I can imagine any where else it being like hear. CA. Man, they are selling 200 ounces of purple erkle hear and full on mother plants. 40 dollar 3x3s are a daily thing and so entire systems. Stinkbuds system is full on for sale every day too by various dudes. It costs like 100 bucks to make and it is triple or quadruple in CL. I met a few dudes from riu thru craigslist. Lol. The three by three, is nice, just make sure you get the right res size and need to mix that much nutes. For a three by three I flooded 12-13 gallons per flood. A rubbermaid wont cut it. Unless yu reinforce it, but that is sckethy. If you can afford the econjuet three by three then go for it. That thng is amzingly white, like a lab. And even if you intend to graduate to all that space, all that table space is a godsend to work on when it comes time to trim or work. I found it handy for a three plant run. So going big wont hurt. Forget the economy I mentioned before. I worry about plant numbers here. I also built one of those 2 liter bottle systems. It worked cool, but only for small plants. GL. I would turbogarden, for yer first run, unless you truly wont miss the funds for a 3x3 econojet. That will last forever for sure. You cant go wrong with ebb tables. Waterfarms eveeryone gets sick of.

LMAO! I guess I did post it then huh.... Then I erased it, when I was trying to edit. I actually live 5 minutes from a "chain" hydroponic store(there's about 5 of them), but what I said about an hour is that there is about 4-6 hydroponic stores(just 2 are the "chain" store) within an hour from my place. And like I was saying... If I order from this place I found online..... I can get a 3x3 econojet and/or 2-Cool Sun 6" reflectors($570) or 2-Sunlight Yield Master II($540). that's with s+h already included. And around my way it'll run me $961.83(tax included) for the 3x3 and 2-Cool Sun. So it's not like I've got the money... but I've been savin for a system for 1/2 a year now. If I don't get this system soon, I'll wind up spending money, and going thru headaches with my next grow. And the way I look at it..... I'm saving $400 dude! That's why I'm saying. That system around my way goes for $500.... I'm getting it for $300.... So if I decide it sucks, I can get $250-$300 for it.... And I'd be fine with that. I've seen used 3x3 tables go for $80 on CL. Oh yeah.... I didn't know wat u meant by CL yesterday, but once I came down, I became a genius again. Sorry about yesterday, dude I was BAKED! And I don't know if u've tried the Big Buddha "Chiesel" yet, but I had chopped a little down, not so long ago, and It's pretty dry, and hasn't been jar cured, and I'm in love! Just smoked some now, and yummy! No harshness to it. Tastes like sour milk/garbage(yet it's tasty garbage). It's a very disgustingly delicious rotten taste, if that makes any sense. It really doesn't even need to be jar cured at this point. Of course when I do the final chop, it will be jar cured, all I chopped down was about an 1/8's worth, that I will be toking on for about a week or so, till I can get a sack, for a couple of weeks. And that stuff yesterday was a concoction of Strawberry Haze, with some organically grown Blue Mystic(this one was not mine) bubble hash(YUMMY!)
Let me ask u a ????? Do u have issues with algae and ur tables, or res, when u use ebb and flow. I don't use RW, I use Hydroton, and Starter Plugs.

 

[tea tree]

no alge issues dude. For the plants health I oxygenate the res and I use h202. I also use GH three part which is a mineral nute not organic in any way so I am able to use straight tapwater and I dont even let it sit out. I use the hardwarter micro. It is the best I think. Try reading albfucts harvest every two weeks in the hydro section. It is a sticky. It is a good ebb and flow read.