Katatawnic
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That makes more sense than the proposals do! 
Kinda how it feels now, even having medical status. 
Kinda how it feels now, even having medical status. 
Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid
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OregonMeds
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ya - how in the world does 5'x5' = 28grams? they should say we get one plant, but we can't water it and it can't be in direct sun....lol...
Naw that would be as insane as making a tax on it, and requiring you to bring your illegal goods in illegally to get the tax stamp they wont give you anyway, then busting you either at home or on the way to get the stamp for not having the stamp.
Silly rabbit.
Dan Kone
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Good idea actually. Hydo systems + carpet don't always go well together.
On a side note. How do I clean up nutrients spilled on carpet when there is a hydro table on top of it?
Dan Kone
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ya - how in the world does 5'x5' = 28grams? they should say we get one plant, but we can't water it and it can't be in direct sun....
Yeah. That should be interesting. I'd cry if one of my 4x4 tables yielded one ounce. Someone thought that one through...
triconomics
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Most of you sound like well a bunch of wankers! It is almost like the mindset like you actually think your cool now by following along with the government and finding every way out of thinking for yourselves. I fully agree with the mindset stated here however that there will be more than enough regulations just like there is now. And what does regulation entail these days? Cops lots of fucking dumbshit fucking power trip shit cops. Do I fucking trust cops? NO. Do I like cops? NO. Decriminalization would set no rules for COPS to enforce on my freedom at their will and leisure to fuck with me. Legalization is just going to be a different game where the government wins and still fucks you over and says deal with we don't give a shit all at their leisure. And it isn't semantics. One way the government admits their error which has to be done or else those currently in jail will stay in jail. Especially those in prison under federal laws. Legalization is just another game for them to "DICTATE" to us how we can and can't order our lives! And if we break their petty rules they have now the right to fuck us over and harass us the rest of our lives! I won't get into what I really think though.
MoN3yb4Gs
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legalization vs. decriminalization
Really tough call, however
I have to say decriminalize...
Complete legalization changes everything we know. I don't trust it. It's too soon, and I only say that because our Gov't is so fuct. I don't think it would be able to handle the change of complete legalization in one state, and no, not even semi-legal stances in other states.
Decriminalize...
Keep low level pot growers, smokers & dealers out of our jail, and prison systems. Let us grow, and smoke our weed. If we don't have any, let us buy a little from our neighbors.. fuckin simple..
Really tough call, however
I have to say decriminalize...
Complete legalization changes everything we know. I don't trust it. It's too soon, and I only say that because our Gov't is so fuct. I don't think it would be able to handle the change of complete legalization in one state, and no, not even semi-legal stances in other states.
Decriminalize...
Keep low level pot growers, smokers & dealers out of our jail, and prison systems. Let us grow, and smoke our weed. If we don't have any, let us buy a little from our neighbors.. fuckin simple..
estesj
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I agree 100% Its my nightmare that they legalize it. I have been depending on that money for over a decade. The only people that want it legal are the retail buyers. It would kill the growers and the hustlers!
dontexist21
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Decriminalization would still have dealers being sent to jail. It only means that people will be able to process small quantities, not giving people the ability the sell it. Really what are you afraid off, your reasoning just sounds rediculous. The government would not be growing it, it would be in the hands of private industry. The day after it is made legal there will be thousands of people selling it out in the open. This is not health care, its regulating a product, we seem to do fine with alcohol and cigarettes. The government would only tax it, and weed would be cheaper then if we decriminalized it. It is not so simple since your neighbors would not just advertise that they sell pot since, THEY CAN STILL BE ARRESTED FOR SELLING.
The black market would still control herb, meaning prices will still be high. If you do not take the risk out of distribution the price will still be high. And you are naive to believe that the government would allow the selling of pot without the ability to collect taxes. Mexican cartels will still be pushing their dirt weed, and making billions that should be going to America. And the DEA would still be busting down large grows and wasting tax payer money. Decriminalization fixes nothing.
For everyone that supports themselves through weed, either find a way to get yourself into the new system, or get another job. There will be plenty of opportunities so guys that have grown it for years to find a place, it just matters if you are smart enough to to it. It might sounds harsh but that is just the way it is. I rather going into hemp production and making products out of hemp, since there is so much more money in industrial hemp then there is in pot.
dontexist21
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No the only people that want it legal is just about every one but the growers, hustlers, and Mexican Cartels. Congratulations your in the same club with an organization that brutally kills families to keep their dominance in the black market.
The average American wants it legal and regulated. Either find a place in the new legal scene when it happens or get another job.
RoundTree
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If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the Greenhouse Effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil, and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is -- the same one that did it all before -- Cannabis Hemp... Marijuana!
legalize it thank you emperor wearing no clothes
legalize it thank you emperor wearing no clothes
estesj
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which makes you a retail buyer smart guy. You sound like the typical jealous player hater. Grow some balls and learn how to grow and you wont have to be a $100 a quarter buying chump all your life! Putting a weed dealer in the same boat as the mexican mafia is idiotic.
Dan Kone
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You have my vote for president in 2012.
vapeape
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do not vote for legallization???
fuck that.. for once in my life not to be a criminal,, i'll take legalization,, i am sorry blackmarketiers, but i payed inflated prices for sub par bullshit product most my life, you are just scared cause you might have to go to work like the rest of us.... legalize it stop our citizens from going to prison... yeah poor people caught up in a sensless tragedy, taken away from their families in podunk towns for simple possesion...makes me sick to think that people would rather see innocents in jail for a harmless smoke than to loose a paycheck.
fuck that.. for once in my life not to be a criminal,, i'll take legalization,, i am sorry blackmarketiers, but i payed inflated prices for sub par bullshit product most my life, you are just scared cause you might have to go to work like the rest of us.... legalize it stop our citizens from going to prison... yeah poor people caught up in a sensless tragedy, taken away from their families in podunk towns for simple possesion...makes me sick to think that people would rather see innocents in jail for a harmless smoke than to loose a paycheck.
vapeape
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really,, idiotioc huh...people die over large weed deal cause its illegal......
drug cartels run illegal drugs, they dont want it legal,,, YOU DONT WANT IT LEGAL,,,ALL ABOARD
K
Keenly
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ill vote for it every time
i want to go to the store and buy a pack of mary janes
i want to go to the store and buy a pack of mary janes
MoN3yb4Gs
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You may be the naive one thinking that the gov't isn't going to big dick this issue like they do everything else..
Both synthetic heroin, and meth are legal thus their legalization...and daily use by many...
However, that's only because this "private industry" (pharmacy corporations) are a money maker for the govt. Health care is the real biggest money maker in this bitch.
You don't think pot will end up the same way, after so many "private industries" manipulate the product on a cellular level that The FDA steps in, regulates, and controls it..
And... WHO do you think regulates, and controls these private multi-billion dollar tax paying pharmacopoeia corporate conglomerates...? THE FDA!
So... in essence YES, the govt would be growing it. The FDA... who is a govt agency would regulate the fuct out if it, thus having total control. It would end up being like pills without a prescription. So, now... Instead of a misdemeanor crime before legalization, it may end up being a felony charge. I know if you posses a pill of a controlled substance here in Washington state, and you do not have a prescription for it you'll be catching felony charges, and possible prison time.... That's one felony per pill that you don't have a scrip for. What would they end up doing? One felony per gram?
There's definitely something to think about that...
I agree, hemp has the market cornered. However, once legalization happens you don't think corporations like Monsanto will step in and Genetically modify this organism.. Just like they do every other one. You know all that High Fructose Corn syrup you ingest. Well, most of it comes from Monsanto's GMO Corn. Which they own copyrights, and patents to the seed of... think about it. THEY OWN THE COPYRIGHT TO THE CORN SEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE ELSE CAN USE IT WITHOUT THEIR WRITTEN PERMISSION>
Is it entirely possible that this could happen with hemp... ABSOLUTELY>! Here is just a taste. Do you even know the level your dealing with here bud? Don't fuck with me, I know my shit. "With Monsanto's patented genes being inserted into roughly 95 percent of all soybeans and 80 percent of all corn grown in the U.S., ..." http://www.star-telegram.com/238/story/1827990.html
"By CHRISTOPHER LEONARD
The Associated Press
ST. LOUIS — Confidential contracts detailing Monsanto Co.’s business practices reveal how the world’s biggest seed developer is squeezing competitors, controlling smaller seed companies and protecting its dominance over the multibillion-dollar market for genetically altered crops, an Associated Press investigation has found.
With Monsanto’s patented genes being inserted into roughly 95 percent of all soybeans and 80 percent of all corn grown in the U.S., the company is also using its reach to control the ability of new biotech companies to get wide distribution for their products, according to a review of several Monsanto licensing agreements and interviews with agriculture and legal experts.
Declining competition in the seed business could lead to price hikes that ripple out to every family’s dinner table. The corn flakes you may have had for breakfast, the soda you may have drunk at lunch and the beef stew you may have eaten for dinner were likely produced from crops grown with Monsanto’s patented genes.
Monsanto’s methods are spelled out in confidential commercial licensing agreements obtained by the AP.
The company has used the agreements to spread its technology, giving some 200 smaller companies the right to insert Monsanto’s genes in their separate strains of corn and soybean plants. But, the AP found, access to Monsanto’s genes comes with plenty of strings attached.
For example, one contract provision bans independent companies from breeding plants that contain both Monsanto’s genes and the genes of any of its competitors unless Monsanto gives written permission — letting Monsanto effectively lock out competitors from inserting their patented traits into the vast share of U.S. crops that already contain Monsanto’s genes.
Monsanto’s business strategies and licensing agreements are being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department and at least two state attorneys general, who are trying to determine whether the practices violate U.S. antitrust laws. The practices are also at the heart of civil antitrust suits filed against Monsanto by its competitors, including a 2004 suit by Syngenta AG that was settled with an agreement and ongoing litigation filed this summer by DuPont in response to a Monsanto lawsuit.
Monsanto, based in suburban St. Louis, said it’s done nothing wrong.
"We do not believe there is any merit to allegations about our licensing agreement or the terms within," Monsanto spokesman Lee Quarles said.
"Our approach to licensing [with] many companies is pro-competitive and has enabled literally hundreds of seed companies, including all of our major direct competitors, to offer thousands of new seed products to farmers," he said.
The benefit of Monsanto’s technology for farmers has been undeniable, but some of its major competitors and smaller seed companies say the company is using strong-arm tactics to further its control.
"We now believe that Monsanto has control over as much as 90 percent of [seed genetics]. This level of control is almost unbelievable," said Neil Harl, an agricultural economist at Iowa State University who has studied the seed industry for decades. "The upshot of that is that it’s tightening Monsanto’s control and makes it possible for them to increase their prices long-term. And we’ve seen this happening the last five years, and the end is not in sight."
At issue is how much power one company can have over seeds, the foundation of the world’s food supply. Without stiff competition, Monsanto could raise its seed prices at will, which in turn could raise the cost of everything from animal feed to wheat bread and cookies.
The price of seeds is already rising. Monsanto increased some corn seed prices last year by 25 percent, with an additional 7 percent hike planned for corn seeds in 2010. The price of Monsanto soybean seeds climbed 28 percent last year."
ps... Do not insult my intelligence! ..My reasoning is my own, for my own reasons.... if you don't agree with me then please, by all means help me to understand why...
I'm just stating my opinion like anyone else... thanks...
vapeape
Active Member
so those lives arent worth anything right???
so you dont think a thug got shot for 60k worth of og..right
whos livin in a dream..
MoN3yb4Gs
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Your sadly right. Also, the average American is sold a pipe dream that their taught to live as truth from birth. Don't vote legalize, and regulate. You should really think long and hard about this issue... It has too much potential to backfire on your ass...