CrackerJax
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That's a no sh*t.
I didn't ignore it, but you haven't answered it either.
My premise is that LAW abiding citizens have nothing to fear from the Patriot Act.
I stand by that... because it's true. I mean, it's been in place now for 8 years ... where's the list of ppl crushed? There should be hundreds if not thousands of cases of oppression and yet ... all we hear are WORDS.
The WORDS don't jive with the ACTION. The WORDS are false.
Where to begin?
And I am not a law abiding citizen. I am a drug user that "supports terrorism" by buying and using drugs. I have no rights.
the New York Times reported incidents of the patriot act being used to investigate alleged potential drug traffickers without probable cause.
The article also mentions a study by Congress that referenced hundreds of cases where the USA PATRIOT Act was used to investigate non-terrorist alleged future crimes.
In November 2005, Business Week reported that the FBI had issued tens of thousands of "National Security Letters" and had obtained one million financial records from the customers of targeted Las Vegas businesses. Selected businesses included casinos, storage warehouses and car rental agencies. An anonymous Justice official claimed that such requests were permitted under section 505 of the USA PATRIOT Act and despite the volume of requests insisted "We are not inclined to ask courts to endorse fishing expeditions".
This didn't just include financial records, but credit records, employment records, and in some cases, health records.
Furthermore, this information is databased and maintained indefinitely by the FBI. Previous legislation required that federal law enforcement destroy any records harvested during an investigation that pertained to anyone deemed innocent. The Patriot Act superseded that and now the records are maintained indefinitely. According to the legislation, they may be "shared with third-parties where appropriate" yet no where in the legislation does it define who these third parties are or what conditions would be deemed appropriate for the sharing of such records.
The large scale wiretapping and tracing of calls to and from foreign countries also falls under this. Millions of phone records were harvested, fed into a database and were searched for patterns of calling to and from numbers of known terrorists. To date, there have been no announced arrests from this program.
Public libraries have been asked to turn over their records for specific terminals. A few have filed suit, because the National Security Letters that they were presented with were very sweeping, demanding information not just on the individual under investigation, but on everyone who had used specific terminals at the libraries during given time windows. Since many of the users in one case were minor children, one library felt that it had an obligation to notify the parents. The FBI has disagreed and the case is now working its way through the court system.
In May 2004, Professor Steve Kurtz of the University at Buffalo reported his wife's death of heart failure. The associate art professor, who works in the biotechnology sector, was using benign bacterial cultures and biological equipment in his work. Police arriving at the scene found the equipment (which had been displayed in museums and galleries throughout Europe and North America) suspicious and notified the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The next day the FBI, Joint Terrorism Task Force, Department of Homeland Security and numerous other law enforcement agencies arrived in HAZMAT gear and cordoned off the block surrounding Kurtz's house, impounding computers, manuscripts, books, and equipment, and detaining Kurtz without charge for 22 hours; the Erie County Health Department condemned the house as a possible "health risk" while the cultures were analyzed. Although it was determined that nothing in the Kurtz's home posed any health or safety risk, the Justice Department sought charges under Section 175 of the US Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Acta law which was expanded by the USA PATRIOT Act. A grand jury rejected those charges, but Kurtz is still charged with federal criminal mail and wire fraud, and faced 20 years in jail before the charges were dropped. Supporters worldwide argue that this is a politically motivated prosecution, akin to those seen during the era of McCarthyism, and legal observers note that it is a precedent-setting case with far-reaching implications involving the criminalization of free speech and expression for artists, scientists, researchers, and others.
and thats just the tip of the iceberg. They are just getting started.
and this is what it is all aboutbut SHIT i was so happy today, listening to 98.5 (98 rock in the sac area) today on my way to work, dogface and joe were talking about charlie sheen and how he came out and said it was an inside job
dogface , being the prick he is supposed to act like as a counter personality to joe, denounced it and everything
then something amazing happened, a listener called in and recommended they both watch loose change, and they were instantly interested
made my day that i heard them say they would both watch it, being famous radio dj's played throughout california
It must be nice to live in your lil "law abiding" world.I didn't ignore it, but you haven't answered it either.
My premise is that LAW abiding citizens have nothing to fear from the Patriot Act.
I stand by that... because it's true. I mean, it's been in place now for 8 years ... where's the list of ppl crushed? There should be hundreds if not thousands of cases of oppression and yet ... all we hear are WORDS.
The WORDS don't jive with the ACTION. The WORDS are false.
wont happen. they will just say ur crazy and then go to the next post and say i am crazy.I typed out some key issues.
Will somebody that supports the patriot act address them?
??? off topic again.oh yeah, charlie sheen, ...... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8445587.stm
AHAHHAHASHAHAAHAHHAHHAHHAHHhhahahhahahahahaahah
i'd be embarrassed for even mentioning his name. which i am.
??? off topic again.
Must just be intended for CJ. he will love this even though it has nothing to do with dems and how they are ruining our world.
nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.4 posts ago YOU quoted keenly who said he heard charlie sheen say it was an inside job. charlie sheen and his wife are crack addicts.
nice, reputable source.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/01/08/2010-01-08_charlie_sheens_wife_brooke_mueller_went_to_rehab_for_crack_addiction_report.html
once again, i have to explain my posts.
??? off topic again.
Must just be intended for CJ. he will love this even though it has nothing to do with dems and how they are ruining our world.
4 posts ago YOU quoted keenly who said he heard charlie sheen say it was an inside job. charlie sheen and his wife are crack addicts.
nice, reputable source.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/01/08/2010-01-08_charlie_sheens_wife_brooke_mueller_went_to_rehab_for_crack_addiction_report.html
once again, i have to explain my posts.
nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.
NO ONE on here said he was a source?
he is just a good way to get it out there, most americans will believe him (or look into it theirselves) because he is charlie sheen.
he got your attention quick.
u just like to see people argue.
i guess the number one reason i wouldnt vote for jesse is because i honestly hate the sound of his voice
he loves to hear himself talk and he talks very slowly so it takes him forever to say something
cool dude though
but SHIT i was so happy today, listening to 98.5 (98 rock in the sac area) today on my way to work, dogface and joe were talking about charlie sheen and how he came out and said it was an inside job
dogface , being the prick he is supposed to act like as a counter personality to joe, denounced it and everything
then something amazing happened, a listener called in and recommended they both watch loose change, and they were instantly interested
made my day that i heard them say they would both watch it, being famous radio dj's played throughout california
whats cool about them is joe is an avid marijuana smoker, and when he smokes during the show, they call it "moving the car" lol
nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.
NO ONE on here said he was a source?
he is just a good way to get it out there, most americans will believe him (or look into it theirselves) because he is charlie sheen.
he got your attention quick.
u just like to see people argue.
believe him "OR LOOK INTO IT THEIRSELVES" <you left that part out?most americans will believe him?
where the fuck do you all come up with this shit?
see you brought up charlie to begin with, keen was just talkin about his day, not charlie.i like to argue? you are telling me a crack addicted wife abuser inspires me. of course i'm gonna argue. or at least laugh. i do laugh at all this.
this backs up my point.just so you know, ... he is NOT a good way to "get it out there". i've read more about his personal vices than i have about how he feels about 911. so what's that tell you?
This is my only point with sheen.Haha whoever uses charlie sheen as a source is a fuccking idiot. However, he does get the word out...