Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too.

[Johnnyorganic]

Damn this debate is getting heated. Dont wanna get in the middle, just have one question.

I know in meat there are certain things your body needs, like protein and such.

How do vegetarians or vegans get that if they're not eating meat?

p.s.- to johhny and doom, its only the internet. No reason to get so heated.

Good question.

The protein issue is a myth. Ironically, it was perpetuated by a vegetarian who wrote a book in the early 1970's if I remember correctly. Her name was Frances Moore Lappe and the book was called Diet For a Small Planet.

In truth, most Americans get too much protein in their diets. Plants are an ample source of protein.

The same thing goes for complex nutrients. A vegetarian diet is completely healthy in that regard.

 

[hempcurescancer]

Oh ok, I see. Another thing I was lied to about.

Cant say i'm surprised. Thanks for the info johnny.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

JohnnyO, I never really got anything in a wad. I played all the way through this. Note the wit and humor. As I have said more than once, I don't care what you eat or don't eat. It was your arrogance more than anything, and that was my perception, so I reacted. I'm actually glad you didn't lay down. You fought the good fight and didn't give up. Thanks and +rep to you.

Yeah, it's all good, Dude.

What is that old joke about arguing over the internet and the Special Olympics?

I'm not a big fan of the R-word, though. It's disrespectful to people with genuine disabilities.

I remember when I first became a vegetarian. I was maybe a couple of months into it and my Dad and I took a trip to visit my Grandmother (RIP). That was an education. En route, we decided to stop for a bite to eat and my Dad wanted to go to his favorite Bar-B-Que restaurant along the way. Not knowing any better I agreed. When we entered I asked the proprietor if the beans had meat in them and he looked at me as if I had just walked into his place buck naked. He started asking me why I was a vegetarian. He thought it was really funny that I didn't have any real good answers to his questions because I was a very inexperienced vegetarian then. All the while we were in there he made smart-assed remarks; such as his perception of veggies as pony-tailed slackers who wore Birkenstocks (which I was not).

That experience actually helped me even though it was a little embarrassing at the time. The ironic thing is that today I could return every one of his jabs, probably to the point of him telling me to leave his establishment. But I would never enter a place like that knowing what I do now.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Maybe they dont have a problem with the taste, they just dont like that something has to die for that taste, when instead something grown could produce something similar in taste. Am I making any sense? (I know I said taste a lot)

And you're right, I think the veggie burgers that taste like meat are pretty good.

I've heard that complaint before and I think I can answer it.

1) Convenience. Vegetarians like convenience as much as anyone else. A processed tofu-dog, garden-burger, or faux-meat sandwich is much easier to prepare than a full meal.

2) Assimilation. Thanksgiving would be a mighty thin affair for me if I did not have a Tofurkey to fill me up.

3) Comfort food. Sometimes you just want a cheeseburger, but I can have one without the beef and the dairy. Same thing goes for pizza. So why not?

 

[Johnny Retro]

but do plants Have a consciousnesses?
that it the reall issue right?

Corporate meat is bad for many reasons.
thats why I grow my own

You eat rabbit?
How could you ever kill that little fellow?

 

[hempcurescancer]

I've heard that complaint before and I think I can answer it.

1) Convenience. Vegetarians like convenience as much as anyone else. A processed tofu-dog, garden-burger, or faux-meat sandwich is much easier to prepare than a full meal.

2) Assimilation. Thanksgiving would be a mighty thin affair for me if I did not have a Tofurkey to fill me up.

3) Comfort food. Sometimes you just want a cheeseburger, but I can have one without the beef and the dairy. Same thing goes for pizza. So why not?

Extremely good point. If I ever went vegetarian i'd probably always eat the tofu burgers, turkey, ect, just because I love meat.

 

[tebor]

You eat rabbit?

yes.
Domestic rabbit are much better than wild rabbit imo.
it is very common at many restraunts in some European countries.
Even some really fancy american restraunts.
their manure is the best fertilizer ever.
1 breeding pair can produce enough offspring to feed a family for a year.
also it is the most healthy meat.
Plus they make money by selling their offspring to 4Her's and FFA students.
I will no longer eat meat from the store.
Only if I or someone I now harvests the meat themselves.

I also raise chickens. And sometimes pork.
but rabbits are ideal for establishing a self-sustaining homestead, which is my ultimate goal.

How could you ever kill that little fellow?

with a .22

 

[DaveyDoom]

Yeah, it's all good, Dude.

What is that old joke about arguing over the internet and the Special Olympics?

I'm not a big fan of the R-word, though. It's disrespectful to people with genuine disabilities.

I remember when I first became a vegetarian. I was maybe a couple of months into it and my Dad and I took a trip to visit my Grandmother (RIP). That was an education. En route, we decided to stop for a bite to eat and my Dad wanted to go to his favorite Bar-B-Que restaurant along the way. Not knowing any better I agreed. When we entered I asked the proprietor if the beans had meat in them and he looked at me as if I had just walked into his place buck naked. He started asking me why I was a vegetarian. He thought it was really funny that I didn't have any real good answers to his questions because I was a very inexperienced vegetarian then. All the while we were in there he made smart-assed remarks; such as his perception of veggies as pony-tailed wearing slackers who wore Birkenstocks (which I was not).

That experience actually helped me even though it was a little embarrassing at the time. The ironic thing is that today I could return every one of his jabs, probably to the point of him telling me to leave his establishment. But I would never enter a place like that knowing what I do now.

Yes, I would venture to say that you would put his dick in the dirt now, for sure.

I can certainly see your reasons for having to maintain a defensive stance for your beliefs. People can be pretty harsh. I'd bet people don't even walk that road for that reason alone. I'm pretty sure I (and everyone else) have beliefs that the masses would scoff at. I'm not pretty sure, I'm certain.

I do apologize to you and the others for my cruel words.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Yes, I would venture to say that you would put his dick in the dirt now, for sure.

I can certainly see your reasons for having to maintain a defensive stance for your beliefs. People can be pretty harsh. I'd bet people don't even walk that road for that reason alone. I'm pretty sure I (and everyone else) have beliefs that the masses would scoff at. I'm not pretty sure, I'm certain.

I do apologize to you and the others for my cruel words.

You have your beliefs. And you are passionate about them.

I can respect that.

There is nothing to apologize for.

If you had annoyed me in any way, we would not be engaged in a discussion right now because I would have simply put you in ignore and that would be that.

Like I said, Dude. It's all good.