growwwww
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Yup Indefintely.Which affects our individual perception of things.
Perception is reality
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mexiblunt
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I just got that bit from a scientific mind mag. I know from recording school that the average person can not tell the difference between a single sound event or multiple within 30 milliseconds. Like say a snare drum with a delay set to 30 milliseconds. most people will just hear 1 snare drum hit not 2 very close together. Although you can hear that the delayed usually sounds more FULL or generally better for production reasons etc.
It also talks about how different signals travel at diff speeds like a pain signal can be as slow as 60mph. Their example was stubbing your toe always seems to take a bit to feel.
It also talks about how different signals travel at diff speeds like a pain signal can be as slow as 60mph. Their example was stubbing your toe always seems to take a bit to feel.
Mr.KushMan
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I have that same article.
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CrackerJax
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But importantly it is the base of knowledge within the individual which AIDS perception.Which affects our individual perception of things.
The ancient Roman perceived a star differently than you do because you have much more accurate information about what a star truly is.
The fact that offhand you know it takes millions of years for that light to get here, is beyond the Romans grasp.
It is the base of information which alters perceptions, correctly, or incorrectly.
Mr.KushMan
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But I think perception and the way one perceives things are on two different planes of thought, one is the actually sensory data your body receives and the other is the neural connections and pathways your body or brain use to decipher the data. They rely on one another, but aren't synonymous.
For example one would deal with hearing a noise behind you or seeing a movement in your peripheries, and the other would be used to understand what this thing is and if it is a threat, or food or not. The thing that is disturbing your senses is there whether your PERCEIVE it or not. You can only know experience through analogy, so as information becomes analogy on which to base your experience, accurate or otherwise, the way we understand it has SO much to do with it.
Most would deny this is how people understand the world but it most certainly is not. We have just developed much more intricate and complex reasoning abilities, we have each created systems within ourselves to fulfill order within chaos. Its just a survival mechanism, and as our species developed more intellect, meant more efficiency, meant more food, meant more comfort in the ultimate reality.
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For example one would deal with hearing a noise behind you or seeing a movement in your peripheries, and the other would be used to understand what this thing is and if it is a threat, or food or not. The thing that is disturbing your senses is there whether your PERCEIVE it or not. You can only know experience through analogy, so as information becomes analogy on which to base your experience, accurate or otherwise, the way we understand it has SO much to do with it.
Most would deny this is how people understand the world but it most certainly is not. We have just developed much more intricate and complex reasoning abilities, we have each created systems within ourselves to fulfill order within chaos. Its just a survival mechanism, and as our species developed more intellect, meant more efficiency, meant more food, meant more comfort in the ultimate reality.
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doc111
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Yes but that information had to get into our brains somehow. Back to perception...................
Mr.KushMan
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Look into solipsism, its a philosophy that all that exists is one mind, and by extension only your perceptions.
Perceptions are certainly the only things we can be sure of.
It is thought that all children are sophists but eventually are subject to assuming everyone has experiences like themselves.
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Perceptions are certainly the only things we can be sure of.
It is thought that all children are sophists but eventually are subject to assuming everyone has experiences like themselves.
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jeffchr
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nope, not true, wrong, idiotic thing to be discussing, but wrongo Jack
that post was the first mention of politics me thinks, and certainly economics and beyond a doubt it was the first post slamming a liberal, or a conservative or any other political persuasion
CrackerJax
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It got in there by science. We don't look at the stars the same today as an ancient Roman, because of science.Yes but that information had to get into our brains somehow. Back to perception...................
You cannot perceive something correctly if you don't understand it. There may be an automatic "fight or flight" response form something you don't comprehend, but that's a hard wire reaction.
The more you know about any subject the more ACCURATE the perception.
Without science, perceptions would still be limited to the ancient Roman. He knew what he knew, but really, how much could he know?
i'm not the one who's lost here ...
doc111
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I see what you mean but how do we know what we know to be correct? That science didn't just absorb into our brains. We had to learn it, which uses the 5 senses which leads to perception. It really is something we take for granted.
CrackerJax
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Heh, well for science, one must go to school, and absorb the knowledge. Not all are up to the task, for a variety of reasons. Not all are interested. It's a personal choice, but then again, it's a personal life. 
What you make of life is up to you, no one else. There are ways to split that hair, but it is basically sound and true.
In the end, we have to be able to trust science to be doing the best it can, and in an open and honest forum.
P.S. That is now the real damage of the Global Warming scandals. It is making lay ppl doubt all science. It's a slippery slope and those political "scientists" have done severe damage.
What you make of life is up to you, no one else. There are ways to split that hair, but it is basically sound and true.
In the end, we have to be able to trust science to be doing the best it can, and in an open and honest forum.
P.S. That is now the real damage of the Global Warming scandals. It is making lay ppl doubt all science. It's a slippery slope and those political "scientists" have done severe damage.
Mr.KushMan
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I think you two are starting to debate whether there is a conscious observer in us or if its merely an illusion of our perceptions.
I'd like us to remember the story about the native shaman who noticed that the water was approaching the shore differently but couldn't see anything that would cause this shift. Scared and curious the shaman stood and watched the horizon from the shore for three days and saw nothing. On the last day he saw huge magnificent wood structures floating in the ocean, these were the ships sent over by Columbus. Why was he oblivious to the ships, why couldn't he perceive them? He couldn't have expected these things to be there, was his ego just protecting him?
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I'd like us to remember the story about the native shaman who noticed that the water was approaching the shore differently but couldn't see anything that would cause this shift. Scared and curious the shaman stood and watched the horizon from the shore for three days and saw nothing. On the last day he saw huge magnificent wood structures floating in the ocean, these were the ships sent over by Columbus. Why was he oblivious to the ships, why couldn't he perceive them? He couldn't have expected these things to be there, was his ego just protecting him?
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doc111
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I love science! It was always my favorite subject in school. I hold a masters in chemistry as well. I find this whole topic fascinating though. How we perceive things does in fact shape our realities.Heh, well for science, one must go to school, and absorb the knowledge. Not all are up to the task, for a variety of reasons. Not all are interested. It's a personal choice, but then again, it's a personal life.
What you make of life is up to you, no one else. There are ways to split that hair, but it is basically sound and true.
In the end, we have to be able to trust science to be doing the best it can, and in an open and honest forum.
P.S. That is now the real damage of the Global Warming scandals. It is making lay ppl doubt all science. It's a slippery slope and those political "scientists" have done severe damage.
Very good anecdote. I think this is very good story to illustrate how perception and understanding shape reality.
CrackerJax
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We're really getting into Philosophy 101.
eza82
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"To understand reality is not the same as to know about outward events. It is to perceive the essential nature of things. The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential. But on the other hand, knowledge of an apparently trivial detail quite often makes it possible to see into the depth of things. And so the wise man will seek to acquire the best possible knowledge about events, but always without becoming dependent upon this knowledge. To recognize the significant in the factual is wisdom." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
morgentaler
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Well, if he was alone in a box his whole life, he might actually be "THE" man in his own little reality.
I'll let you guys fight that out
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