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[CrackerJax]

Good sense is a better indicator of a mature man than chronological age. Some folks never get it.

If ur past 40 and still a liberal (and not profiting by being one directly), U never matured properly.

 

[jeffchr]

i'd say there is a fair degree of animosity toward MM and liberals in general (and versy vice)
what is the sense of discussing any issue in this forum if the thread degrades into a bashing contest ?
people have their opinions and those opinions will remain despite insults
it would be a lot more interesting if we all showed more respect for each other

 

[CrackerJax]

It's the nonsensical posts which are annoying 9and a bit comical). I cannot read very much actual content from most lib postings. It's all emotion, no data. What data comes up is laughable, and usually far out of context. In the end lib's must play a game of deflection, their armor is way too thin for a frontal defense.

Insult then change the topic. Pick a grammar error out and change the subject. Find a typo and dismiss the entire post, and change the subject.

Look over the political threads, and that's what you find, overwhelmingly.

Reality usually dismisses liberal theories ... hence all the rhetorical nonsense and sometimes hysteria.

It would be like a comedy show if the real damage wasn't so serious.

 

[jeffchr]

It's the nonsensical posts which are annoying 9and a bit comical). I cannot read very much actual content from most lib postings. It's all emotion, no data. What data comes up is laughable, and usually far out of context. In the end lib's must play a game of deflection, their armor is way too thin for a frontal defense.

Insult then change the topic. Pick a grammar error out and change the subject. Find a typo and dismiss the entire post, and change the subject.

Look over the political threads, and that's what you find, overwhelmingly.

Reality usually dismisses liberal theories ... hence all the rhetorical nonsense and sometimes hysteria.

It would be like a comedy show if the real damage wasn't so serious.

from your point of reference, that's how you see it. i have read the political threads, and disagree. there are quite a few interesting liberals on these forums. It's too bad they annoy you - that must make your time here a bit irritating.

 

[CrackerJax]

I witness it each and every day. Like I said, it's comical. this is playtime, I don't get upset.

Now if my livelihood was going down the drain, or I voted in Obama hoping for some real change and all I got was unemployed ... sure I'd be upset.

But I tend to keep looking forward and saw Obama coming.... so no worries here, at least for now.

I'll tell you this much, the pain hasn't begun yet, so hang on to ur hat. No worries, I don't gloat. I wish you all well, but if you don't heed the warnings, don't get upset at me in a year or two, when the reality of this misdirected spending sets in.

A number crunch is approaching, and you best brace urself for it.

 

[RickWhite]

It's the nonsensical posts which are annoying 9and a bit comical). I cannot read very much actual content from most lib postings. It's all emotion, no data. What data comes up is laughable, and usually far out of context. In the end lib's must play a game of deflection, their armor is way too thin for a frontal defense.

Insult then change the topic. Pick a grammar error out and change the subject. Find a typo and dismiss the entire post, and change the subject.

Look over the political threads, and that's what you find, overwhelmingly.

Reality usually dismisses liberal theories ... hence all the rhetorical nonsense and sometimes hysteria.

It would be like a comedy show if the real damage wasn't so serious.

I think it is interesting how two people who never met make the exact same observations. I think what is stated above is undeniable. It is because Liberal ideas can not hold up to scrutiny. Liberal ideas never survive in the free market of ideas and that is why Liberals gravitate toward our learning institutions. In the classroom there is no voice of opposition. There is only indoctrination of impressionable minds that are ill equipped to challenge Liberal ideas. Liberals have also learned that because their ideas appear compassionate on the surface, it is easy to foster an atmosphere of social pressure on our youth. I hate to compare anyone to Nazis, but the Nazis did employ and possibly perfect this method of brainwashing through their "Hitler Youth" organizations and their classroom indoctrination of children. The psychology is relatively simple.

What annoys me is the insidious degradation of society that Liberalism promotes. At one time men wore suits to baseball games in the heat of the summer. Now you can't go anywhere with out seeing some young punks ass hanging out of his pants.

Society, like everything else is subject to entropy (spontaneous degradation from order to chaos). We must work to keep things orderly lest things become chaotic. Liberals, instead of working to resist entropy, seem to want to hasten it.

 

[hanimmal]

That is crap Rick.

Before you spout shit that you really have no clue about, like your 'economics' lesson you gave about business in some post a couple days ago, without realizing you were talking about finance, maybe you should learn a little more about the subjects you try to act like you own.

Even though a lot of "liberal" ideals are fluffy, and well intentioned, and many of them are argued one way (even if it is the altruistic argument) that may be wrong, it doesn't mean that there is not a very real reason for it to be the way it is.

Take unemployment. Sure a "Right winger" like yourself (face it you won't be voting for Obama, which means basically you will be supporting a right canidate) may say that it is a liberal idea that is bullshit, and doesn't make sense, because it will not give people a reason to get a job again right away.

Maybe I am wrong, what are some of these liberal ideals that you are so against?


And nazi youth? How the hell is the 'liberal' agenda bring about people not wearing suits to baseball games? What the hell is that even saying? People used to wear corsets too, is that some sort of political movement that stopped that or common sense? Sometimes you get off your rocker.


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I think it is interesting how two people who never met make the exact same observations. I think what is stated above is undeniable. It is because Liberal ideas can not hold up to scrutiny. Liberal ideas never survive in the free market of ideas and that is why Liberals gravitate toward our learning institutions. In the classroom there is no voice of opposition. There is only indoctrination of impressionable minds that are ill equipped to challenge Liberal ideas.

What a joke. I guess that to be a Doctor you need to be a liberal. Indoctrination, jesus christ, I guess that if you are in church you have to be a republican or whatever you are calling yourselves these days.

 

[natrone23]

What annoys me is the insidious degradation of society that Liberalism promotes. At one time men wore suits to baseball games in the heat of the summer. Now you can't go anywhere with out seeing some young punks ass hanging out of his pants.

Talk about out of touch lol



Dammmm kids get off My LAWWWNN

 

[Leothwyn]

That is a great quote. Suits at baseball games.
That's the conservative way... the world keeps changing, and they're slowly dragged along, kicking and screaming. Yeah, a hundred years ago the RickWhites were lamenting the loss of corsets.
Luckily, our mostly free society seems to balance out extremes pretty well. Just look to the middle east to see where total conservative religious control takes you. They once had a great culture, full of art and scientific development... now, a backwards pile of crap, centuries behind the rest of the world in so many ways.

(note: I'm talking about socially conservative people)

 

[CrackerJax]

Notice these three responses above..... notice the pattern.

Ur vindicating RW's post, not refuting it.

 

[PVS]

he made a point that liberals ridicule the ridiculous? i thought we all did?

 

[CrackerJax]

No, the point being that liberals for some reason or another are incapable or unwilling to examine their own methodologies.

1.) Liberal policies do not work over the long term.
2.) Liberal policies demand sacrificing one person over another by force.

These two realities of that methodology makes it impossible for liberals to have truly open discussions about their policies, because they don't hold up under scrutiny. (like passing a 1 party health care bill in the dead of night over the Xmas holiday)

Then we get posts like U guys make.

Deflect the blame, insult, change subject.

 

[hanimmal]

No the problem is that nobody is putting up a "Liberal" idea to explain why it is sound policy.

The general sweeping comments are not specific enough to talk about

1.) Liberal policies do not work over the long term.
2.) Liberal policies demand sacrificing one person over another by force.

That is not specific enough, what is your example of this?

Because if you want to look at say social security,

We can talk about what happens if it is not in place.

And elderly person is no longer able to work, and has no savings, so their spending drops to virtually zero, which means the people that economically depended on their business (shops, grocers, ect) now are losing them as a customer, and after a few people have this happen to them the business is forced to lay off people due to declining demand.

This means now that without unemployment benefits that ex-employees spending drops to zero if they are unable to find a job right away, so other businesses that relied on their money have to lay off, so now you have a downward spiral where people are losing jobs, because others have nothing to purchase with, and as more lay off, there is less job openings which means it continues to drop.

But with those 'liberal' policies of SS and Unemployment, the spending does not drop to zero and there is a elevated bottom to the crisis and that allows for some demand to stay in place until people start to find work and fill the holes, or adjust their spending to reflect their new situation.



But instead people may want to think that it is because we care about people, and nobody should be kicked out into the cold, when really economically it is a much safer bet to have a floor incase of emergency.



And anything can fail in the long run, because of human error so when it does it needs to get put back in order. The system has that flexibility and strength to handle it. Even if people don't understand that a bad time could be sooo much worse without that system in place.

And as for taking by force, nobody held a gun to my parents head when they got me a social security number, I reap the benefits everyday being an american citizen. The things you use on a daily basis that were paid for by taxes is worth more money than you can make in your lifetime, we are lucky to have this system in place, even if you don't want to understand why they are in place.

 

[Leothwyn]

Notice these three responses above..... notice the pattern.

Ur vindicating RW's post, not refuting it.

What I noticed is your lack of reading comprehension.

I was talking about SOCIAL conservatism, and I specifically pointed that out. I think social conservatism is the way of stagnation due to fear (middle east example).

Deflect the blame, insult, change subject.

Take a break from your standard bitch-fest about liberals, and you might notice that Rick is the one that turned this toward the social end of things. Otherwise, I probably would have stayed out of it - I don't have as much of a problem with fiscal conservatism.

 

[Johnny Retro]

Im not very politcal or anything and could hardly have a debate with anyone.
But after reading all these posts, its clear to see rickwhite and CJ's intelligence is far beyond that of the 'liberals'

 

[medicineman]

Im not very politcal or anything and could hardly have a debate with anyone.
But after reading all these posts, its clear to see rickwhite and CJ's intelligence is far beyond that of the 'liberals'

Obviously your reading comprehension is suspect.

 

[medicineman]

Hey rick the dick, hellooooo.

 

[jeff f]

Hey rick the dick, hellooooo.

drunk again huh?

 

[CrackerJax]

What's my example of liberal failed policies?

oh, the Great Society as a whole has been an abysmal failure. FDR's extension of the depression was liberalism at its finest.

Want to see economic inefficiency and destroyed communities? ... look no farther than liberal economic policies.

Well intentioned, I admit that, and I sympathize ... but the methodology is hideous and convoluted, and bloated. It simply never works. Good attempts of the heart, but the cost is too high and results never what they were designed to be.

Specific enough or do you want projected costs and results for any number of social programs? All well intentioned, all disasters, which affect real people.

 

[RickWhite]

Im not very politcal or anything and could hardly have a debate with anyone.
But after reading all these posts, its clear to see rickwhite and CJ's intelligence is far beyond that of the 'liberals'

Thank you. maybe it is our stubborn adherence to old, out dated things like grammar and the ability to articulate what one is thinking.

That is a great example by the way. How many here have ever read things written by our founding fathers? These were men raised before electricity and their ability to communicate via the written word was exquisite.

Today, few people bother to use proper grammar or capitalization. And Liberal professors have even tried to promote Ebonics as a legitimate dialect. Now if that isn't a prime example of an idiotic Liberal idea I don't know what is.

Yep, there is a long list of idiotic Liberal policies. The thinking behind Ebonics was that they will help black kids in the ghetto get ahead by changing the rules of grammar so that their use of it wouldn't be wrong any more. Liberals wanted to help black kids keep it real, (in the words of Chris Rock) "real dumb." Because black kids don't need to learn proper English like white kids, they need to be patronized by the subtle bigotry of low expectations.

But hey, combine Ebonics with affirmative action and "days all bees gravitating from college." Great idea!