From the fryer into the frying pan

mlahonta

mlahonta

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Okay so I put my bitches in soil after like 3 weeks on the sill. I am a dumbass so I checked the other day for roots on a couple. surely I ripped them off! What the hell do I know? No one ever said, hey Mike, don't pull the cuttings out of the perlite, you have to pour them out.

So, out of 12 cuttings, maybe 6 will survive, they were in varying states of development. Some with 8" roots, some with almost nothing. I put them under the nice hot 1200 watts of lighting. No one ever told me not to do that either.

I guess I can always buy clones if I have to and then try again next time.
 

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mlahonta

mlahonta

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Well after 48 or so hours, these babies are doing okay, and by okay I mean they went through a long hot struggle and are still alive, most of them anyway, enough to grab 6 in a couple weeks.
 

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mlahonta

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Okay folks, so from approx. (can't spell that word) 12-2 to 12-27 these are the pics. I mean, my biggest is 5 inches but my smallest barely survived and no one told me to put it under lights, I am kinda pissed about that cuz I lost time you know. I suppose I could have seen this problem and just gone and spent the money on clones, but I was really trying to avoid that. No one told me to put underlights, so I am freely giving out that advice to everyone.


What's up with this monster?
 

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doogleef

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[04:34] <+Doogleef> not heat
[04:35] <+Doogleef> tell me about the soil, your watering tech, and any nutes you have used to this point
[04:36] <+Doogleef> PS. ill just paste our convo to the forum post
[04:36] <MLaHonta420> yeah that's super
[04:41] <MLaHonta420> soil, started in blue bag, transplanted to reclaimed red bag soil,watering, I am especially carefull to use the shower on the watering can and to muff up the soilso that the water penetrates all over and I don't get a channel running, nutes, started with oneshot of fishy mulshun at an early age, one shot of 6-4-4 grow, like a week ago, and then again yesterday
[04:42] <MLaHonta420> I water daily, but only because of the heat, the daily watering is just a refresher and not a drenching
[04:43] <MLaHonta420> I do a drenching like every other day or something
[04:43] <+Doogleef> bluebag redbag, u mean sunshine mix?
[04:44] <MLaHonta420> sure, whatever local potting soily you have, ours is called gardner and bloome I think
[04:47] <MLaHonta420> hah, the ash fell right on the apostrophe key
[04:47] <MLaHonta420> well I gave a good feeding and srenching yesterday then, hopefully it'll come together
[04:48] <MLaHonta420> so reclaimed soil is okay so long as I feed
[04:48] <+Doogleef> sounds right to me
[04:49] <+Doogleef> they look hungy
[04:49] <+Doogleef> feed em
[04:49] <MLaHonta420> thanks doog
 
Jack in the Bud

Jack in the Bud

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mlahonta said:
Okay, I am sure I am having problems and every day I stress out. HELP!
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mlahonta,

They look awful dry to me. I think you need to give them a good drenching soak to start with. Maybe add a few drops of Ivory liquid dish soap to act as a wetting agent.

Another suggestion would be to put them close under some standard flourescent lights (almost touching them) for two weeks on an 18/6 (or 20/4) light cycle. It'll give them time to develope a good root system.

It looks to me like they got to much light and heat to soon and not enough water.
 
mlahonta

mlahonta

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this is from 20 mins ago, everything is looking super. Now, when to scrog it?

Thanks everyone for your help.

What I learned: Planting in reclaimed soil is fine if you give it nutes right away.

So that's my formula now, start with blue soil then when switch to red start nutes.
 

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CrackerJax

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You missed one lesson....

You needn't start them in perlite. just place them straight in the soil, and you don't ever have to snap another root again.

Keep it simple, the way nature intended. Less transplanting, less errors. :peace:
 
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resinraider

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My advise is to read and research. U gotta have a plan and some knowledge b4 u get ur clones other wise u will constantly have problems needing advise. If u woulda researched first u would not have ripped roots or synged them. Fail to plan, plan to fail. PlUs its less stress on u and ur plants when u know what u r doin as well as what the plants r doin and needing
 
Jack in the Bud

Jack in the Bud

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mlahonta said:
I'm not waiting till things get out of hand, Last thing I learned is get this scrog in now!
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mlahonta,

While they're looking much better than what they were I still think you're not watering them enough. They just look to dry to me.

If I were you I would find something to put under the pots to get them up an inch or so, so that they don't end up sitting in the run off water. Plus that will help you get good air circulation under the pot so it doesn't become a staring place for mold or fungus.

I'm using pots very similar to what you're using. But instead of sitting in a catch pan like you have yours I've got mine set up on a gently sloped low platform that drains all the run off to catch basin I can empty out. I've still got my pots sitting up a half inch off of this surface so they drain good and air circulates under them. I've got a bunch of 1/2" high rings I've cut off of a scrape piece of 2" PVC pipe to set them on. I use three of them under each pot to form a stable tripod for them to sit on.

I'm of the opinion that this generally accepted rule about letting the soil get real dry between waterings is a bad idea.
You end up forming a lot of dry pockets in the soil that won't easily re-absorb moisture when you do water them. Even though you get some water running out the bottom of the pot when you do water there'll still be lots of dry channels in the soil (where the roots will suffer).

If this condition develops about the only thing you can do to correct it is to set them in a pan of water for several hours until they suck up enough of it that the soil on top becomes moist again by the soil's having had watered itself from the bottom up.

This is just a corrective measure though. In general you don't want the pot sitting in standing water for long periods of time. An hour or so after you watered them would be fine but then you need to get them up out of it so they can finish draining good.

If I were you I think I'd give those plants a good drenching soak with plain water that had 1 or 2 drops of Ivory Dish Soap / gallon in it. Let them stand in it for an hour or so and then get them up out of it so their feet are dry. Then I'd keep the soil moist at all times never letting that top layer become as dry as it appears in your pictures.

O.K. [lecture mode off]

Jack
 
doogleef

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rep + Jack. I agree with you about the under-watering on these plants and the whole idea of letting it get too dry being counter-productive.
 
mlahonta

mlahonta

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These look like they have doubled in size in the last week. I heard you all about watering and I am most appreciative for the tip. I water them every day sometimes with nutes with the shower head watering can right over the top of them, like drenching the plant.

Someone may tell me this is not good especially when using nutes, and I will stop doing this when they are budding, but then the canopy will shade the dirt and it won't dry out so bad.

I've also included my blurry attempt at FIM. I think it's good. Though the image is blury, you can see flowers clearly, they are brighter, then see the FIM and it's like a huge clump. Wuill they grow tall off of those or just be fat shorty nugs? This I need to know.
 

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CrackerJax

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When the leaves droop, it's time to water..... don't even bother looking at the soil. The plant will tell you, every time.
 
budman52

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mlahonta said:
Okay so I put my bitches in soil after like 3 weeks on the sill. I am a dumbass so I checked the other day for roots on a couple. surely I ripped them off! What the hell do I know? No one ever said, hey Mike, don't pull the cuttings out of the perlite, you have to pour them out.

So, out of 12 cuttings, maybe 6 will survive, they were in varying states of development. Some with 8" roots, some with almost nothing. I put them under the nice hot 1200 watts of lighting. No one ever told me not to do that either.

I guess I can always buy clones if I have to and then try again next time.
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if i was you id buy clones and get a head start on the girls
 
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