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explain to me how we had liberty from 1776 until 2001? (also arguable that liberty ended in 1913)
but how exactly did we accomplish the impossible?
but how exactly did we accomplish the impossible?
Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)
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Keenly
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dont forget the insults, cant forget those
tebor
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The first line in the quote is a blanket statement that has no relevance to the discussion.
You can't have dictatorship w/o security.
you can't have monarchy without security.
you can't have national socialism without security.
you can't have communism without security
But in the spirit of true liberty, each man provides his own security.
to think otherwise is to support welfare state ideology where the gov provides everything for you.
how is this relevant to 911?
the founding fathers never would have allowed this interventionist foreign policy, which is the direct cause of terrorism.
We failed as protectors of liberty by allowing our gov. to become this out of control.
On the 2nd line of the quote. Schooling offers nothing that a library card can't provide.
On the 3rd and final line of the quote. This is an insult and deserves no response.
CrackerJax
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It wasn't personal, it was generic. see the difference.It really would be nice if you would not have a personal jab in every post.
Evidently you fall on a different end of the "Liberty" spectrum. You do not mind giving up a portion of liberty for a perceived increase in security.
The part that you at least pretend to not understand, and what I am sure Ben Franklin meant when he said it was that giving up ANY liberty for an increase of security is unacceptable. Ideally the two would be inseparable, however some (The Founders and myself) would prefer Liberty to security...and therefore the (perceived) loss of security would be better than the slippery slope to tyranny!
Hence...Give me liberty or give me death!...Don't Tread on Me!...United We Stand...
if you don't ... then you need more schooling. See that would be personal if you couldn't see the difference.
So, do you need more schooling or do you get it?I believe in keeping the USA strong in defense. Our defenses were compromised on 9/11, and civilians were butchered as they worked in NYC. Ppl taking what was supposed to be routine flights all lost their lives.
Now some of you I already know, think WE did these things. You need to step out of the room. Ur nuts....
The rest of you ... The best offense is a good defense. yet, most of you seem to think two things predominantly.
1.) Liberty can be maintained without security surrounding that liberty. This is false, a deadly false.
2.) That any perceived reduction in your personal liberties no matter how arcane (Patriot Act which affects very few civilians), is too much to ask.
Since you get the first point wrong, I understand how you get to point 2.
But ur wrong.
This is a selfish body of citizens in the USA right now. It was not always so.
We have a running war going on with an organization which keeps proving it is adroit at accomplishing their goals. If not for Bush getting them into Iraq and decimating their top tier structures, who knows where they would be today?
Ur liberties will be very short lived without enough security to protect you from the barbarians at the door.
You want what you want. But Al Queda has its own wants. They don't care about ur liberties, not at all.
llltimelll
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dont have time to read 250 pages righ now....jus wanna make sure the movie zietgiest has been mentioned relating to 911 conspiracy....??
tebor
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But the root cause of 911 was interventionist foreign policy.
Source-the terrorists themselves and the CIA
Will more interventionist foreign policy result in more terrorism?
or would removing all military from muslim nations end their hatred and anger toward us? Which would in turn offer both security and liberty.
just some ideas
Source-the terrorists themselves and the CIA
Will more interventionist foreign policy result in more terrorism?
or would removing all military from muslim nations end their hatred and anger toward us? Which would in turn offer both security and liberty.
just some ideas
I am not one bit afraid of Al Qaeda or all the "Terrorists" in the world. I am twice as likely to be hit by lightning.
No matter how good our military/government regulations/security forces there will always be people who are able to get through to do us harm. Remove the USA from their countries and you will most likely see an end to it all
No matter how good our military/government regulations/security forces there will always be people who are able to get through to do us harm. Remove the USA from their countries and you will most likely see an end to it all
GrowRebel
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Yes it has ... thanks for asking.
Here here! ... I'll take my chances with my freedoms intact ... how would all those idiots that support the war criminals like it if all the countries that the us has bases in but bases in their back yard.
Now ... on to the 911 news ...
http://dprogram.net/2010/01/10/german-business-journal-questions-911-we-do-not-believe-you/http://dprogram.net/2010/01/10/german-business-journal-questions-911-we-do-not-believe-you/[URL="http://dprogram.net/2010/01/10/german-business-journal-questions-911-we-do-not-believe-you/"]German Business Journal Questions 9/11- We do not believe you![/url]
The magazine states, that it is not only serious politicians who do not want to believe the official version any more , but also, there are also thousands of scientists, who question 9/11?.
Jesse Ventura Walks Off The Opie & Anthony Show!
The interviewer was a first class asshole ...
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9394http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=93949/11 Survivor speaks to WeAreChange New Jersey
The survivor is really hard to hear at times because of the background noise and he doesn't speak as loud as the interviewer ... so bare that in mind. Video is 7 minutes ... he talks about hearing the explosions fall below the floors where the plane hit. He believes the buildings were brought down. More from WAC ...
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9090http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9090We Are Change: Truth behind 9/11, New World Order & the Fed
http://www.bushstole04.com/http://www.bushstole04.com/[URL="http://www.bushstole04.com/"]9/11 Truth: the Challenge to the Peace Movement [1/4][/url]
MUST WATCH 36 MINUTE VIDEO
On September 13, 2009, Dr. Graeme MacQueen presented a speech titled, 9/11 Truth: the Challenge to the Peace Movement, at the conference, "We Demand Transparency! For Peace, Truth, and a New Economics.
This is a very cogent 36 minute talk by Mr. MacQueen, a longtime peace activist in Canada. Although a university professor teaching courses in war, he too initially was deceived by the official 9/11 conspiracy. He explains the reason for his initial failure to see the obvious to the simple fact that he failed to watch mainstream media reporting of this incident on September 11 and the next day. He talks about the numerous accounts on these first two days by the mainstream media that clearly did not support the 9/11 official conspiracy theory.
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9374http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9374[URL="http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9374"]LT. Col Anthony Shaffer on Alex Jones: and DIA Prior Knowledge of 9/11
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More hard evidence that 911 was indeed an inside job.
Part Two
Part Three
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9355http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9355[URL="http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9355"]Jesse Ventura SCARES OFF Fox News Anchor with the Truth!
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Notice how the faux whores try to divert the issues ... as they were trained to do.
Here is an MP3 file ...
http://corbettreport.com/mp3/episode045_ptech_and_the_911_software.mp3http://corbettreport.com/mp3/episode045_ptech_and_the_911_software.mp3[URL="http://corbettreport.com/mp3/episode045_ptech_and_the_911_software.mp3"]Listen to Indira Singh Talk about Direct Connection between P-Tech and 9-11 being an inside job
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Listen to Indira Singh Talk about Direct Connection between P-Tech and 9-11 being an inside job.
In early 2002, Manhattan risk architect Indira Singh was innocently helping JP Morgan Chase find a reputable software company that could help them update their security needs for a post-911 world, when she accidentally discovered that an alleged Saudi terrorist named Yassin Al-Kadi was running a tiny software company out of Quincy, MA, called PTech.
The most shocking part of Singh's discovery was PTech's unbelievable client roster, which included:
The FAA, the USAF, the CIA, FBI, DoJ, Dept of Energy, Customs, Enron, NATO, the Secret Service, and even the White House.
http://www.bushstole04.com/911/911_wbz.htmhttp://www.bushstole04.com/911/911_wbz.htm[URL="http://www.bushstole04.com/911/911_wbz.htm"]Why is WBZ covering up critical 9-11 evidence?
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PTech investigation proves too hot to handle, for some at WBZ
Former I-Team reporter Joe Bergantino was set in 2002 to expose a major 9-11 bomb shell, until WBZ management got a call from the government
August 23, 2009
http://www.bushstole04.com/911/ashkenazi_911.htmhttp://www.bushstole04.com/911/ashkenazi_911.htm[URL="http://www.bushstole04.com/911/ashkenazi_911.htm"]Who are the Ashkenazis: The Media Trend of Omitting Motive for 1993 & 9/11 Attacks
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Remember, the only persons arrested on 9/11 were a surveillance team comprised of five Mossad agents posing as a moving company (the dancing Israelis) and had set-up to film the destruction of the towers prior to the attacks from their van, whereupon returning to Israel several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after being expelled from the US.
"The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ZlAiVwZ1c&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ZlAiVwZ1c&feature=player_embedded[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ZlAiVwZ1c&feature=player_embedded"]Video: David Chandler examines evidence of cutter charges in WTC 1 collapse
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[youtube]T1ZlAiVwZ1c&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Updated video ...
Cutter Charges in the North Tower of the World Trade Center
[youtube]O36ReZixfiY&annotation_id=annotation_55967&feature=iv[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKVLA6Lcechttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKVLA6Lcec[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKVLA6Lcec"]Santa Claus Brings 9/11 Truth to Japan
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[youtube]2iKVLA6Lcec[/youtube]
Santa Claus comes early to Japan this year and he's armed with 9/11 Truth, including Japanese translations of Harrit et al's paper "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in WTC Dust"
I don't know what happen up top with the quotes ... some kind of site malfunction I guess ... but the rest came out ok ... so there you have it ... the 911 news ...
jfgordon1
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Game, set, matchdo you win now?
"SICC"
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oh, 1,000 apologies
Im the same way, im open on both sides, but i lean more towards the side of it being an inside job, i mean why is it so crazy to think it could have happened, there is so much shit that has been covered up, then brought out into the open but people swear that shit like this is unthinkable or would never happen, but i guess that's what happens when you stay in side the materialistic bubbles they keep us in
Im the same way, im open on both sides, but i lean more towards the side of it being an inside job, i mean why is it so crazy to think it could have happened, there is so much shit that has been covered up, then brought out into the open but people swear that shit like this is unthinkable or would never happen, but i guess that's what happens when you stay in side the materialistic bubbles they keep us in
CrackerJax
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He just fans the flames when things die down...
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Keenly
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this fire is a roaring and will be for decadesHe just fans the flames when things die down...
Hayduke
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Dude your now typical response of "YOU need more Schooling (usually "skool") is always right after someone says something you don't like and is usually a response to that post...yes you don't usually say their name...it's not like you come on every few days...you are a frequent flier in all but talking about growing bud!!!!!It wasn't personal, it was generic. see the difference.
if you don't ... then you need more schooling. See that would be personal if you couldn't see the difference.
A generic "you people are all idiots" in the jeebus section would likely get you a time out.
Even if it was generic...knock it off!(please) Quit being a keyboard punk!
And by the crap that I deleted from your quote...oh never mind
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