as a mod, it is my job to "keep the site active".He just fans the flames when things die down...
Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)
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CrackerJax
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That's nice, just keep thinking bout urself only. Those folks on those planes and NYC don't really count ... you don't know them.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
spare us your hypocrisy ... those folks who had relatives on those planes and in those buildings what a real investigation ... but they don't count in your book ... and you don't know them.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
http://televisionwashington.com/floater_article1.aspx?lang=en&t=1&id=17186Ahmadinejad calls 9/11 attacks suspicious
Speaking in the southwestern city of Ahvaz, Ahmadinejad asserted that many experts believed that the 9/11 attacks were a US-Israeli plot to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq.
They want to dominate the Middle East with their military presence and all their planning is aimed to achieve this goal. Human rights, fighting nuclear weapons and fighting terrorism is all a big lie, he said.
Even the event of 11 September is a suspicious incident, the president added.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121884Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
In a lengthy academic paper, President Obama's regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein, argued the U.S. government should ban "conspiracy theorizing."
Among the beliefs Sunstein would ban is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.
Sunstein also recommended the government send agents to infiltrate "extremists who supply conspiracy theories" to disrupt the efforts of the "extremists" to propagate their theories.
They are so afraid the truth will be generally known that they are further trashing the constitution.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16924David Ray Griffin's new essay: Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners
Although this essay has focused on details, often minute, in merely one aspect of the official account of 9/11, the implications are enormous. Without the widespread assumption that the 9/11 attacks had been planned and carried out by al-Qaeda, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible. With regard to the war in Afghanistan in particular, Michel Chossudovsky has recently emphasized the fact that NATOs decision to support this US-led war was based on a briefing by Frank Taylor of the US State Department, in which he provided what was called conclusive evidence of al-Qaedas responsibility for the attacks.121 Although the contents of Taylors briefing have never been made public, the main evidence provided to the general public has consisted of the hijack-describing phone calls reportedly received from passengers and flight attendants aboard the airliners. But when subjected to a detailed analysis, these alleged phone calls, far from supporting the war-justifying story, lead to a very different conclusion: that these alleged calls were faked. This analysis thereby suggests that the entire 9/11 story used to justify the US-led wars is a lie.
http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/big_lie.htmFour Mossad Linked Suspects Lived In WTC Prior to 9/11
I was contacted by an individual who led me to this information about the art students living in WTC Tower 1 before 9/11. In fact, in May of 2000, they were living on the 91st floor where they were doing construction and sleeping in tents. They did have construction passes. I do believe that ACE Elevator and Securicom, as well as Kroll Associates should be focused on, however, this is important information that has never been confirmed, until now.
http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/bomber_terror.htmThe Christmas Bomber and the Fraudulent War on Terror
The "attempted" bombing on Christmas Day was designed to garner support for President Obama's actions in support of the Zionist fraud known as the "War on Terror".
This was another presentation of the 911 news ... stay tune for the next 911 news update.
Speaking in the southwestern city of Ahvaz, Ahmadinejad asserted that many experts believed that the 9/11 attacks were a US-Israeli plot to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq.
They want to dominate the Middle East with their military presence and all their planning is aimed to achieve this goal. Human rights, fighting nuclear weapons and fighting terrorism is all a big lie, he said.
Even the event of 11 September is a suspicious incident, the president added.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121884Top Obama czar: Infiltrate all 'conspiracy theorists'
In a lengthy academic paper, President Obama's regulatory czar, Cass Sunstein, argued the U.S. government should ban "conspiracy theorizing."
Among the beliefs Sunstein would ban is advocating that the theory of global warming is a deliberate fraud.
Sunstein also recommended the government send agents to infiltrate "extremists who supply conspiracy theories" to disrupt the efforts of the "extremists" to propagate their theories.
They are so afraid the truth will be generally known that they are further trashing the constitution.
...http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16924David Ray Griffin's new essay: Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners
Although this essay has focused on details, often minute, in merely one aspect of the official account of 9/11, the implications are enormous. Without the widespread assumption that the 9/11 attacks had been planned and carried out by al-Qaeda, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible. With regard to the war in Afghanistan in particular, Michel Chossudovsky has recently emphasized the fact that NATOs decision to support this US-led war was based on a briefing by Frank Taylor of the US State Department, in which he provided what was called conclusive evidence of al-Qaedas responsibility for the attacks.121 Although the contents of Taylors briefing have never been made public, the main evidence provided to the general public has consisted of the hijack-describing phone calls reportedly received from passengers and flight attendants aboard the airliners. But when subjected to a detailed analysis, these alleged phone calls, far from supporting the war-justifying story, lead to a very different conclusion: that these alleged calls were faked. This analysis thereby suggests that the entire 9/11 story used to justify the US-led wars is a lie.
http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/big_lie.htmFour Mossad Linked Suspects Lived In WTC Prior to 9/11
I was contacted by an individual who led me to this information about the art students living in WTC Tower 1 before 9/11. In fact, in May of 2000, they were living on the 91st floor where they were doing construction and sleeping in tents. They did have construction passes. I do believe that ACE Elevator and Securicom, as well as Kroll Associates should be focused on, however, this is important information that has never been confirmed, until now.
http://www.bushstole04.com/fakewar/bomber_terror.htmThe Christmas Bomber and the Fraudulent War on Terror
The "attempted" bombing on Christmas Day was designed to garner support for President Obama's actions in support of the Zionist fraud known as the "War on Terror".
This was another presentation of the 911 news ... stay tune for the next 911 news update.
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Keenly
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owned hard...spare us your hypocrisy ... those folks who had relatives on those planes and in those buildings what a real investigation ... but they don't count in your book ... and you don't know them.
fuck yeah, he misspelled "want". lol
kinda the "key" word of the sentence. funny stuff.
K
Keenly
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well i was referring to the part where crackerjacks statement did not make any sense but if you want to point out peoples mistakes thats cool toofuck yeah, he misspelled "want". lol
kinda the "key" word of the sentence. funny stuff.
i was referring to the part where GR wants to be taken serious, yet can't take the time to proof read a simple sentence. it really says A LOT. i don't expect you to get it.well i was referring to the part where crackerjacks statement did not make any sense but if you want to point out peoples mistakes thats cool too
am i the only one who sees the irony in this post?well i was referring to the part where crackerjacks statement did not make any sense but if you want to point out peoples mistakes thats cool too
K
Keenly
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there is in fact a difference between a false statement and a mistake
mexiblunt
Well-Known Member
LoL. Your i should be I, you can't be serious. Just playing fdd, was actually looking for some good palin interviews a bit ago and It's one thing to mess up some spelling but if you JOB is to talk on a show you can't go making up words Funny shit it was!i was referring to the part where GR wants to be taken serious, yet can't take the time to proof read a simple sentence. it really says A LOT. i don't expect you to get it.
CrackerJax
New Member
Everyone but Keenly ...am i the only one who sees the irony in this post?
Calling for a new investigation is naive. It's been done, and the ppl already know who did it. 9/11 has already been claimed by Al Queda.
Despite GR's naivete, quoting Iran's leader as true shows GR hasn't a clue to what's really going on.
Keep skating on the ice pond, but the waters run much deeper ... but you can't seem to get there. I'm not surprised. Easily fooled.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Projecting again I see ... nothing new here folks ... move along ...Everyone but Keenly ...
Calling for a new investigation is naive. It's been done, and the ppl already know who did it. 9/11 has already been claimed by Al Queda.
Despite GR's naivete, quoting Iran's leader as true shows GR hasn't a clue to what's really going on.
Keep skating on the ice pond, but the waters run much deeper ... but you can't seem to get there. I'm not surprised. Easily fooled.
GrowRebel
Well-Known Member
Oh like you have never made a spelling error ... don't even go there ... you will lose ... it in no way takes away the creditability of the information provided ... once again you grasps for straw ... how's that working out for ya?i was referring to the part where GR wants to be taken serious, yet can't take the time to proof read a simple sentence. it really says A LOT. i don't expect you to get it.
i was referring to the part where GR wants to be taken serious, yet can't take the time to proof read a simple sentence. it really says A LOT. i don't expect you to get it.
So any time your post is not grammatically correct we are to assume that you are not trying to be serious? So people who are bad spellers are only kidding us? When Vice President Quail misspelled potato was he just joking? I can probably find any periodical right now that has at least 1 misspelling in it that someone didn't catch, must mean they don't really mean it eh? FDD sometimes I just don't get you, your using the same pattern of attack on anyone and anything you can in an attempt to discredit. Its pathetic, really.
CrackerJax
New Member
The truthers have been disproven over and over again..... so I'm done in that area.
Now, it's mostly a laugh fest ... like the rest of the nation at this point.
The isolation is increasing.....
Now, it's mostly a laugh fest ... like the rest of the nation at this point.
The isolation is increasing.....
jfgordon1
Well-Known Member
You haven't done anything, cracka lol.
I'm surprised you're not religious with your illogical way of thinking in this subject
Ex-FBI Agent: Why I Support a New 9/11 Investigation
By fredface
By Coleen Rowley
In the absence of my being there in New York City to stand with the 9/11 families, first responders and survivors, I offer the following statement in support of your goal of a new investigation into the attacks of September 11th and the NYC CAN campaign to place it on the ballot for November.
At the time of 9-11, I had been an FBI agent for over 20 years. My main responsibilities by then were teaching criminal procedure to FBI agents and other law enforcement officers, mostly about 4th Amendment search and seizure, 5th and 6th Amendment law of interrogation, right to attorney and constitutional protection of rights to free speech, due process, habeas corpus, and against cruel and unusual punishment. A week before 9-11, I and the rest of the FBIs ethics instructors were mandated (as a result of an earlier public FBI scandal) to give a one hour PowerPoint presentation, a form of remedial training on law enforcement ethics which I accomplished in a fairly perfunctory way, just reading the slides.
After 9-11, with the knowledge I had of the bitter internal dispute inside the FBI that was being hushed up but had kept some of our better agents from possibly uncovering more of the 9-11 plot before it happened, I couldnt forget two of the slides in that Law Enforcement ethics curriculum: DO NOT: Puff, Shade, Tailor, Firm up, Stretch, Massage, or Tidy up statements of fact. And Misplaced Loyalties: As employees of the FBI, we must be aware that our highest loyalty is to the United States Constitution. We should never sacrifice the truth in order to obtain a desired result (e.g. conviction of a defendant) or to avoid personal or institutional embarrassment.
The official dissembling and excuse-making about the true causes and prior mistakes that gave rise to and allowed the terrorist attacks to happen, almost immediately ushered in the Bush-Cheney Administrations egregious and lawless, post 9-11 war on terror agenda which bore no connection to the original causes and no connection to the goal of reducing terrorism and making the world safer. When I got a chance, about 8 ½ months after 9-11 to tell what I knew, I did so and my disclosures led to further investigation by the Department of Justice Inspector General and figured in the 9-11 Commission Report.
But it was way too late for this emerging bit of truth that has continued to leak out in dribs and drabs to have any impact. The laws themselves, especially the criminal procedure ones rooted in the Constitution that I had spent my career teaching to law enforcement, have largely gone up in smoke. Having seen the cost of remaining silent, I publicly warned, a few months after my first memo, against launching the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. But false agendas had already filled the vacuum created by lack of truth. And we are still dealing with the disastrous consequences of these unjustified, pre-emptive wars.
Let me therefore simply repeat the request I made to the Senate Judiciary Committee in June 2002: Foremost, we owe it to the public, especially the victims of terrorism, to be completely honest. I can only imagine what these crime and terrorism victims continue to go through. They deserve nothing but the complete, unfettered truth.
Therefore, I fully support the 9/11 families, first responders, survivors and over 60,000 other New Yorkers who have endorsed a new 9/11 investigation in New York City as advanced by ballot referendum this coming November election.
Coleen Rowley is a former FBI staff attorney who turned whistle-blower after witnessing repeated failures within the bureau to properly investigate alleged 9/11 co-conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui. She was one of three Time Magazine Persons of the Year in 2002.
Miss MeanWeed
Active Member
This thread is awesome.
The same old routine worldwide:
Truther: This looks odd
Non-Truther: You are a nut-job.
Truther: Something doesn't add up
Non-Truther: Maybe the aliens did it you crackpot
Truther: Open your eyes, there's too many suspect coincidences.
Non-Truther: You are a gullible fool. Everything is as it is told on the news and by our leaders.
Truther: But that's the point. It is a massive conspiracy involving the world's elite and their pawns.
Non-Truther: Oh no! Maybe the reptilian Pope will harvest my organs and absorb my prana through subdermal osmosis.
Truther: Why do you attack me? Is it because you are scared to accept the truth and the consequences if you think for yourself? Think of the victims of 9/11, we owe them and their families a resolution to all the many questionable incidents that happened prior to, on, and after that horrible day.
Non-Truther: How dare you insinuate the families of the 9/11 victims and survivors are ignorant! That is despicable and an example of why I attack you, because you sully the honourable memories of those who died and all who were affected on 9/11. You should die.
Truther: I question the official story for all our sakes, so we might be wiser and our children more aware of the machinations of those who abuse their power, and seek to dominate the world through a New World Order.
Non-Truther: You're a fucking idiot. If there was anything more to investigate, it would be all over the news, which it's not, and something would have been done about it by now.
Truther: That's what I'm saying. The mass media are controlled by the very elite who perpetrate these crimes.
Non-Truther: Stop trying to be special. You're looking for a reason to feel clever and a common enemy to give your life a purpose.
Truther: I seek the truth because we have been lied to and manipulated! These criminals should be made to pay for their crimes. Please have a look at what I'm trying to tell you. We are being lied to, the world is very different than what we are led to believe. Please, open your eyes, for your own sake, and the sake of the minds of our children.
Non-Truther: I will not give your words or thoughts any creedence whatsoever, I do not need your twisted lies and mistruths to influence what I already know: You are a fuckhead conspiratard. All your claims have been debunked, I knew you were wrong, now fuck off.
And it goes on and on, one concerned about a wrong, one concerned about being wrong, one defiant of implied authoratitive righteousness, one submissive and accepting of official doctrine. One infuriated at an injustice, the other impuned by authority.
The only thing both warring parties have in common is they both think that the other is ignorant.
There are cases for both sides: The truthers do have legitimate claims and their concerns are warranted. The Non-Truthers have legitimate and officialised rebuttals to quell those claims.
It is easy to see when a Non-Truther is losing the argument, as the 'kookspiritard' insults increase.
It is also easy to see when a Truther is losing the argument, as the rabbit hole deepens and the conspiracy seems to stretch farther and farther back and more conspirators appear, to strengthen the argument.
It's like a wonderful dance, the plea for reason versus the obstinate refusal of ignorance. Both armies absolute and contrite in their cause, and more than willing to abandon reason so as not to lose the fight, or to lose influence on the undecided.
The wonderful and witty repartee and carefully constructed counter criticisms as attempted civility disintegrates, and escalates to all-out defense and defiance is truly a joy to witness.
The same old routine worldwide:
Truther: This looks odd
Non-Truther: You are a nut-job.
Truther: Something doesn't add up
Non-Truther: Maybe the aliens did it you crackpot
Truther: Open your eyes, there's too many suspect coincidences.
Non-Truther: You are a gullible fool. Everything is as it is told on the news and by our leaders.
Truther: But that's the point. It is a massive conspiracy involving the world's elite and their pawns.
Non-Truther: Oh no! Maybe the reptilian Pope will harvest my organs and absorb my prana through subdermal osmosis.
Truther: Why do you attack me? Is it because you are scared to accept the truth and the consequences if you think for yourself? Think of the victims of 9/11, we owe them and their families a resolution to all the many questionable incidents that happened prior to, on, and after that horrible day.
Non-Truther: How dare you insinuate the families of the 9/11 victims and survivors are ignorant! That is despicable and an example of why I attack you, because you sully the honourable memories of those who died and all who were affected on 9/11. You should die.
Truther: I question the official story for all our sakes, so we might be wiser and our children more aware of the machinations of those who abuse their power, and seek to dominate the world through a New World Order.
Non-Truther: You're a fucking idiot. If there was anything more to investigate, it would be all over the news, which it's not, and something would have been done about it by now.
Truther: That's what I'm saying. The mass media are controlled by the very elite who perpetrate these crimes.
Non-Truther: Stop trying to be special. You're looking for a reason to feel clever and a common enemy to give your life a purpose.
Truther: I seek the truth because we have been lied to and manipulated! These criminals should be made to pay for their crimes. Please have a look at what I'm trying to tell you. We are being lied to, the world is very different than what we are led to believe. Please, open your eyes, for your own sake, and the sake of the minds of our children.
Non-Truther: I will not give your words or thoughts any creedence whatsoever, I do not need your twisted lies and mistruths to influence what I already know: You are a fuckhead conspiratard. All your claims have been debunked, I knew you were wrong, now fuck off.
And it goes on and on, one concerned about a wrong, one concerned about being wrong, one defiant of implied authoratitive righteousness, one submissive and accepting of official doctrine. One infuriated at an injustice, the other impuned by authority.
The only thing both warring parties have in common is they both think that the other is ignorant.
There are cases for both sides: The truthers do have legitimate claims and their concerns are warranted. The Non-Truthers have legitimate and officialised rebuttals to quell those claims.
It is easy to see when a Non-Truther is losing the argument, as the 'kookspiritard' insults increase.
It is also easy to see when a Truther is losing the argument, as the rabbit hole deepens and the conspiracy seems to stretch farther and farther back and more conspirators appear, to strengthen the argument.
It's like a wonderful dance, the plea for reason versus the obstinate refusal of ignorance. Both armies absolute and contrite in their cause, and more than willing to abandon reason so as not to lose the fight, or to lose influence on the undecided.
The wonderful and witty repartee and carefully constructed counter criticisms as attempted civility disintegrates, and escalates to all-out defense and defiance is truly a joy to witness.
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