Progressive or Regressive?

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Many on the far Left use the term “Progressive” to describe their political philosophy. The term suggests progress, which essentially means to move foreword or to advance. The question I have is, toward what?

Every policy advocated by these so called “progressives” that I can think of moves the human condition backward and not forward.

One needs only look around at the society in which we live for examples. In art, as in life, we see ample social decay. Where traditional art gave us Michelangelo, the Sistine Chapel and Mozart, the Progressives give us Jackson Pollack, the Piss Christ and Kanye West. Where tradition and respect for established norms gives us things like proper manners, common courtesy and respect for others, the Progressives promote prison culture, gangsta’ rap and all forms reprehensible conduct under the rubric of tolerance, free expression and artistic expression.

Where emphasis was once on respect for society and for others, everything now is about expression of the individual with utter disregard for everything decent. Men once wore suits to baseball games in the heat of the summer; now offensive T shirts are more the norm and are encouraged by Progressives. Music was once free of obscenities and public decency was respected and expected. Now every other word is a cuss word, violence is glorified and contempt for society and reprehensible conduct is a common theme. Again, Progressives celebrate this as freedom of expression and tollerance for "minority culture." There was once a time where the terms “ladies and gentlemen” actually meant something and such terms dictated our conduct. According to the new progressive model, “ladies” is downright sexist and if there are no ladies, who needs gentlemen. Nope, in the progressive model we are all free to behave like animals - like we live in caves.


Where morals were once viewed as universal and an obligation of all people, they are now viewed as open to interpretation. One no longer must act according to a clear public code. Now individuals are free to act only according to what is good for themselves and what fits their particular version of morality - much like they did in the days of barbarism before we had a moral code.

Even political discussion from progressives is typically vulgar and vitriolic with little attempt at anything intellectual. Juxtapose most Conservative websites to Progressive ones and you will see well constructed, intellectual discourse on one and little more than vulgar personal attacks on the other with no attention paid to respectable discourse. Such things are outdated and oppressive in the Progressive mindset. A good string of vulgarity is a much better form of free Progressive expression.

Progressives want to destroy our free market which is the most successful system ever conceived, they want to increase chaos and social decay by tolerating crime in the name of compassion and they aim to undermine religion which is the chief source of moral guidance for many. I am sure there are hundreds of examples I am leaving out.

Given all the ways progressives wish to move backward, one has to wonder what they think they are making progress toward. In my estimate, after a few more decades of their version of progress, we will all be living in a society with no semblance of civility at all. That just isn’t my idea of how to advance the human condition.
 

Dragline

Well-Known Member
One needs only look around at the society in which we live for examples. In art, as in life, we see ample social decay. Where traditional art gave us Michelangelo, the Sistine Chapel and Mozart, the Progressives give us Jackson Pollack, the Piss Christ and Kanye West.
That is the poorest attempt at an analogy i have ever seen. You take two things Italian, one German, all centuries old and try to compare them to 3 of the most bull shit things you could think of American and modern. The only analogy that could be true for your statement is that Europe 200 years ago was better than America today. Nice Attitude!


Where tradition and respect for established norms gives us things like proper manners, common courtesy and respect for others, the Progressives promote prison culture, gangsta’ rap and all forms reprehensible conduct under the rubric of tolerance, free expression and artistic expression.
Another stupid analogy. You take bull shit things and just claim they are progressive. So because most blacks vote Democratic that some how relates progressives to promoting gangsta rap and prison culture? Are you serious?!?! Let me try that. Since the deep South (where I was born, raised, and live) is very conservative. Can I blame every shit kickin, Jerry Springer watchin, racist hick on Conservatism? There was no shortage of guys at the country store who were more than happy to tell me they won't votin no ni**er for president.


Men once wore suits to baseball games in the heat of the summer;
Women once wore corsets every day when they werent at home barefoot and pregnant. Times change!!

now offensive T shirts are more the norm and are encouraged by Progressives.
Really? I didn't get the memo apparently. I will go ask my buddy who has a shirt with Obama painted like the joker with a hitler moustache if he has a vulger and offensive shirt i can borrow.



Music was once free of obscenities and public decency was respected and expected. Now every other word is a cuss word, violence is glorified and contempt for society and reprehensible conduct is a common theme. Again, Progressives celebrate this as freedom of expression and tollerance for "minority culture."
If you want to listen to music with no cuss words then do it. THAT IS YOUR RIGHT! But if I want to listen to "Fucked with a knife" by Cannibal Corpse, THAT IS MY RIGHT!!! THIS IS AMERICA IN CASE YOU FORGOT!!! If you want to live in a society that will protect everyone from vulgarity move to China! Then find a message board and bitch about it...


Even political discussion from progressives is typically vulgar and vitriolic with little attempt at anything intellectual. Juxtapose most Conservative websites to Progressive ones and you will see well constructed, intellectual discourse on one and little more than vulgar personal attacks on the other with no attention paid to respectable discourse. Such things are outdated and oppressive in the Progressive mindset. A good string of vulgarity is a much better form of free Progressive expression.
Oh yeah Rick, because posts like this from a fellow conservative are sooo sophisticated.
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/294827-should-proud-moment-left.html

I would never encourage you to change your conservative political views. I see nothing wrong with American conservatism even though I don't agree with parts of it. What i would suggest you do is stop living in your radical right wing dream world where anything remotely to the left of your own view is a plot to destroy the country. That doesn't mean not to debate or question the issues. But to use some common sense and finally learn that people like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Conservatism in general is NOT infallible. The sooner you do this the sooner you will have a world view that is more clear and not one like you have now which doesn't match your claims or your perceptions.
 

Leothwyn

Well-Known Member
Yep, the world's changing pretty quickly these days.
It would be great if really conservative folks had control of culture. Look at the middle east, they've been following that path for centuries. Worked out pretty well, huh? They went from being a culture rich in art and scientific development to what they are now.
I guess it's different in your case though, you're not asking to be frozen in the middle ages, just the 1950s.

You're right - those damn boundary-pushing progressive artists... what are they contributing? What we need are more safe, conservative ones - like Thomas Kinkade.
 

Wavels

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Progressive thought has unleashed:
Moral relativism, and the resultant behavior has permeated society...
Defining deviancy down. PC thought police.
Cultural coarsening, vulgarity.
Where is the beauty in pop culture currently?
What do we celebrate as a society?
How do these trends benefit our society?
Are people happier now than 50 years ago?

IMO, we are headed down the wrong path.
It may already be too late to reverse or arrest these corrosive notions of progress!

Nice thread Mr. White.
:bigjoint:
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Progressive thought has unleashed:
Moral relativism, and the resultant behavior has permeated society...
Defining deviancy down. PC thought police.
Cultural coarsening, vulgarity.
Where is the beauty in pop culture currently?
What do we celebrate as a society?
How do these trends benefit our society?
Are people happier now than 50 years ago?

IMO, we are headed down the wrong path.
It may already be too late to reverse or arrest these corrosive notions of progress!

Nice thread Mr. White.
:bigjoint:
How could I have left out moral relativism? Well done.

The fallacy of moral relativism has got to be the single largest cause of society's moral breakdown and social collapse.

Clearly, a society is doomed when its people begin to view right and wrong as negotiable and as things that change from person to person. Only a Progressive could suggest such an obvious fallacy. But yet they have not only suggested it, they have forced the notion into mainstream thought through their classroom indoctrination campaigns.

Where morals were once viewed as universal and an obligation of all people, they are now viewed as open to interpretation. One no longer must act according to a clear public code. Now individuals are free to act only according to what is good for themselves and what fits their particular version of morality - much like they did in the days of barbarism before we had a moral code.

I think I am going to back past this into the original post.
 

hanimmal

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Clearly, a society is doomed when its people begin to view right and wrong as negotiable and as things that change from person to person
Where emphasis was once on respect for society and for others, everything now is about expression of the individual with utter disregard for everything decent
Do you really have this wonderful view on history? I would think it would be wonderful to believe that such a place existed, but reality is not with you.

Do you think women were better off with societies laws infringed on their right to not be called witches and burned or drowned?

Roman orgies, human sacrifices (in the bible no less) being called to be performed, rape, incest, children working in mines, murdering jews throughout history because they lent money, on and on. We live in a fucked up world my man. And although I love it, we can call it what it is.

All these views of somehow society is worse, is just the fact that you can see it, and we don't really have accurate information about the horrors that we have dealt as a society through our existence. So to pile everything onto your demon "Progressives" or w/e it is you wish to call us, is just ignoring history.
 

abe23

Active Member
Oh, shit....another fact-less, baseless and meaningless thread by rickwhite. Yawn.:sleep:

Dude, seriously....not everything that you think is wrong in the world is caused by people who don't share your fucked-up politics. Your threads are just bait for dumb partisan arguments instead of producing any sort of meaningful discussion. I'm gonna pass on this one. Good luck.
 

Dragline

Well-Known Member
I think Rick just misses the good old days when men wore suits to baseball games, Bing Crosby never cursed, and colored's used separate drinking fountains.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I was trying to find old picture of men in suits at baseball games, but didn't have much luck, are we really sure everyone wore suits back then to games?
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Did everyone though? Or just the people in the good seats? What about all the illegal aliens? You know the scottish, irish, and italians!
 

Leothwyn

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I think it's disgusting how men dress for formal occasions these days. Nobody wears powdered wigs anymore... shameful.

Rick does make a good point with the title though. I think we should call social conservatives 'regressives'. Excellent idea Rick.
 

RickWhite

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Do you really have this wonderful view on history? I would think it would be wonderful to believe that such a place existed, but reality is not with you.

Do you think women were better off with societies laws infringed on their right to not be called witches and burned or drowned?

Roman orgies, human sacrifices (in the bible no less) being called to be performed, rape, incest, children working in mines, murdering jews throughout history because they lent money, on and on. We live in a fucked up world my man. And although I love it, we can call it what it is.

All these views of somehow society is worse, is just the fact that you can see it, and we don't really have accurate information about the horrors that we have dealt as a society through our existence. So to pile everything onto your demon "Progressives" or w/e it is you wish to call us, is just ignoring history.
Those are good points. Modern society has abandon these barbaric practices without the help of Progressives.

Barbarism, is a natural state of affairs. To elevate humanity from this end of the spectrum to civility and civilized conduct is one of the ultimate goals of a system of morals and values. This was accomplished long ago, long before there was such a thing as Progressive thought. All Progressive thought has done for us is to reverse much of this progress.

Progressives always try to take credit for everything positive in history even when they have no articulable connection with these things. The old JFK Democrats that pushed for civil rights are actually far right of today's modern Progressives. Hell, JFK was an imperialist hawk by today's standards of progressive thought.

You mentioned persecution of Jews in your post. Anti-Semitism is a prime example of an old form of barbarity reinvented by Progressives in the form of anti-Zionism. This latest reincarnation is equally as insidious because Progressives attempt to disguise it as legitimate academic debate with regard to Israel's right to exist.
 

hanimmal

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Then wouldn't the word progressive have been altered through the years by the people who decide what to call people?

If they hated jews (I was talking old times, not just nazi's) then every city in old europe that kicked them out when they owed them enough money was progressive, And that is fine, if you want to call them that I won't fight you.

But to think that the same people that are called progressives today (like the fat gay jew Barney Frank (who I think is doing good things for us (gasp I know)) are the same people, I would just say it is the word that has changed over the years to represent whatever movement it is attached to, and not the people that are the same.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

Well-Known Member
Many on the far Left use the term “Progressive” to describe their political philosophy. The term suggests progress, which essentially means to move foreword or to advance. The question I have is, toward what?

Every policy advocated by these so called “progressives” that I can think of moves the human condition backward and not forward.

One needs only look around at the society in which we live for examples. In art, as in life, we see ample social decay. Where traditional art gave us Michelangelo, the Sistine Chapel and Mozart, the Progressives give us Jackson Pollack, the Piss Christ and Kanye West. Where tradition and respect for established norms gives us things like proper manners, common courtesy and respect for others, the Progressives promote prison culture, gangsta’ rap and all forms reprehensible conduct under the rubric of tolerance, free expression and artistic expression.

Where emphasis was once on respect for society and for others, everything now is about expression of the individual with utter disregard for everything decent. Men once wore suits to baseball games in the heat of the summer; now offensive T shirts are more the norm and are encouraged by Progressives. Music was once free of obscenities and public decency was respected and expected. Now every other word is a cuss word, violence is glorified and contempt for society and reprehensible conduct is a common theme. Again, Progressives celebrate this as freedom of expression and tollerance for "minority culture." There was once a time where the terms “ladies and gentlemen” actually meant something and such terms dictated our conduct. According to the new progressive model, “ladies” is downright sexist and if there are no ladies, who needs gentlemen. Nope, in the progressive model we are all free to behave like animals - like we live in caves.


Where morals were once viewed as universal and an obligation of all people, they are now viewed as open to interpretation. One no longer must act according to a clear public code. Now individuals are free to act only according to what is good for themselves and what fits their particular version of morality - much like they did in the days of barbarism before we had a moral code.

Even political discussion from progressives is typically vulgar and vitriolic with little attempt at anything intellectual. Juxtapose most Conservative websites to Progressive ones and you will see well constructed, intellectual discourse on one and little more than vulgar personal attacks on the other with no attention paid to respectable discourse. Such things are outdated and oppressive in the Progressive mindset. A good string of vulgarity is a much better form of free Progressive expression.

Progressives want to destroy our free market which is the most successful system ever conceived, they want to increase chaos and social decay by tolerating crime in the name of compassion and they aim to undermine religion which is the chief source of moral guidance for many. I am sure there are hundreds of examples I am leaving out.

Given all the ways progressives wish to move backward, one has to wonder what they think they are making progress toward. In my estimate, after a few more decades of their version of progress, we will all be living in a society with no semblance of civility at all. That just isn’t my idea of how to advance the human condition.

Translation: I miss the good old days were my fellow christian conservatives had slaves, we could burn women at the stake who had strange views, and burning Beatles records was the cool thing to do.
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I wonder why I bother to even try starting an intelligent thread when I already know that you guys won't respond similarly. You prove this every chance you get.

Anyway, here is JFK's inaugural address. If he were alive today, he would be considered a far right candidate - that is how far the Country has moved left. The theme of the speech by the way, was a reference to our moral responsibility to spread freedom, democracy and American values through the World. What is the emphasis on now - it is on class warfare, a move toward Communism (a proven failure) and income redistribution. Is this a forward move or a backward one?

Point being - please do not attempt to associate today's modern Progressives to yesterday's moderate Liberals who promoted civil rights. The terms have changed and the JFK Democrats of the past are the Conservatives of today - Progressives are a new modern creation and they are a radical fringe group. At best, they are synonymous to yesterdays Communists, the Black Panthers or other fringe groups that are primarily destructive.

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/jfk-inaugural-address-2-of-2/FCB6B89A1517E0D76940FCB6B89A1517E0D76940
 

Dragline

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I wonder why I bother to even try starting an intelligent thread when I already know that you guys won't respond similarly. You prove this every chance you get.

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Let us know when you have an intelligent thread and we will have an intelligent discussion. An intelligent discussion would first require an open mind or at least a respect of opposing view points, and you my friend have neither. My first reply to this thread still stands. I am VERY moderate if not Conservative on MANY issues. I can easily see you are hanging off the edge of far right which appears to give you a delusional perception of what the country is and what you think it should be. Until you are willing to remedy that for yourself, the only person you are cheating is yourself.
 
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