Flora Nova Grow and Bloom help

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Mryuk23

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Hey guys, I need some help/advice. I am a newb, and yes I used the search function. But, I still can't find the answer to my question. I have an aerogarden setup, with a couple of seedlings about a week old. I just bought flora nova grow and bloom because I heard very good things about them. I was wondering on how to use them. I know its a tablespoon per gallon of water but, can I mix the two solutions together in the water? Or is it better to use them separate at different stages of the growth process? I appreciate all help. Here's to you guys. :bigjoint:
 
hwy420

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Mryuk23 said:
Hey guys, I need some help/advice. I am a newb, and yes I used the search function. But, I still can't find the answer to my question. I have an aerogarden setup, with a couple of seedlings about a week old. I just bought flora nova grow and bloom because I heard very good things about them. I was wondering on how to use them. I know its a tablespoon per gallon of water but, can I mix the two solutions together in the water? Or is it better to use them separate at different stages of the growth process? I appreciate all help. Here's to you guys. :bigjoint:
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Hey bro; i've never used an AeroGarden, and i'm not sure on the watering system it has, but I only use Flora Nova Grow & Bloom for my soil plants. I never put that stuff in my hydro resovoir, it clogs up and make too much of a mess. I would recommend Dutchmaster Gold Grow & Bloom, the are each 2 parts, so a total of 4 bottles (part a & b for both stages) it has a finer nutrient mix and doesn't clog or stain everything. I actually use a small small small amount of bloom in my aeroponic cloner for my clones; they love it. And i'm sure a small amount of bloom with the grow would be ok, but the directions on the GROW indicate to use the FloraNova GROW during vegetative state when your on an 18/6 light schedule. The directions on the bloom should indicate to use the bloom during the flowering schedule when you turn lights to 12/12. Good luck to you
 
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hwy420 said:
Hey bro; i've never used an AeroGarden, and i'm not sure on the watering system it has, but I only use Flora Nova Grow & Bloom for my soil plants. I never put that stuff in my hydro resovoir, it clogs up and make too much of a mess. I would recommend Dutchmaster Gold Grow & Bloom, the are each 2 parts, so a total of 4 bottles (part a & b for both stages) it has a finer nutrient mix and doesn't clog or stain everything. I actually use a small small small amount of bloom in my aeroponic cloner for my clones; they love it. And i'm sure a small amount of bloom with the grow would be ok, but the directions on the GROW indicate to use the FloraNova GROW during vegetative state when your on an 18/6 light schedule. The directions on the bloom should indicate to use the bloom during the flowering schedule when you turn lights to 12/12. Good luck to you
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Hey thanks for the quick response. I decided to use theses nutes from reading this article http://www.ehow.com/how_4917783_grow-medical-marijuana-using-aerogarden.html . Already bought these nutes so I don't want to waste my money on anymore(rough economy). When you say a small amount can you give me a more precise measurement? Plus, should a change the water out completely and refill the res.with the new mix? thanks again:leaf:
 
hwy420

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Mryuk23 said:
Hey thanks for the quick response. I decided to use theses nutes from reading this article http://www.ehow.com/how_4917783_grow-medical-marijuana-using-aerogarden.html . Already bought these nutes so I don't want to waste my money on anymore(rough economy). When you say a small amount can you give me a more precise measurement? Plus, should a change the water out completely and refill the res.with the new mix? thanks again:leaf:
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I think I ended up only putting about 1/2 tsp per 1.5 gallons of water for my cloner. It was a small amount, because I kept my PPM's on my TDS meter under 200. Most tap water has about 200-400 PPM's on the TDS meter.

I'm not sure that they should be mixed, but I heard a friend say his friend was using a VERY VERY WEIRD combination of using Flora Micro and Flora Grow and Flora Bloom during different stages, but got banging results. I do not recommend mixing the nutes, and I do not have the answer to that, but I doubt it would hurt it. I know some nutrients specifically indicate on their instructions NOT to mix them.
 
squarepush3r

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its 2 different solutions, you use each one individually at different stages of grow (veg/grow and flower/bloom)
 
fatman7574

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Just plug Lucas formula into the search engine at the top of the page listed as search. The Flora Nova Bloom is basically just Lucas formula with Humus added. Ie one part Floramicro, and two parts Florabloom.

Humus (actually a soft coal called leonradite) is used along with potasium hydroxide, heat/pressure and phosphoric acid. These are are used for extraction and then stabilization. ie Lucas with humus/fulvic acid.

The humic/fulvic acid is very cheap and easy to make so if the price is high just pass it by. It would take about two paragraphs to explain how to make humuc/fulvic acid very cheaply from lignite carbon used in aquariums. Other than the carbon you need pottasium hydroxide, (from pH up) and some phosphoric acid (from pH down). Other acids and alkalines could also be used. These I simply chose because the potash and phosphorus would become residual fertilizers and because most people already posses the pH up and pH down. Something like sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid could be used just as well.
 
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fatman7574 said:
Just plug Lucas formula into the search engine at the top of the page listed as search. The Flora Nova Bloom is basically just Lucas formula with Humus added. Ie one part Floramicro, and two parts Florabloom.

Humus (actually a soft coal called leonradite) is used along with potasium hydroxide, heat/pressure and phosphoric acid. These are are used for extraction and then stabilization. ie Lucas with humus/fulvic acid.

The humic/fulvic acid is very cheap and easy to make so if the price is high just pass it by. It would take about two paragraphs to explain how to make humuc/fulvic acid very cheaply from lignite carbon used in aquariums. Other than the carbon you need pottasium hydroxide, (from pH up) and some phosphoric acid (from pH down). Other acids and alkalines could also be used. These I simply chose because the potash and phosphorus would become residual fertilizers and because most people already posses the pH up and pH down. Something like sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid could be used just as well.
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Ok thanks guys I'll check everything out. All help is appreciated. Also my plants are about a week old I started them with the aerogarden nutes. Should I flush them and start with the new nutes?
 
fatman7574

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Mryuk23 said:
Ok thanks guys I'll check everything out. All help is appreciated. Also my plants are about a week old I started them with the aerogarden nutes. Should I flush them and start with the new nutes?
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No need to flush. Just dump and change.
 
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fatman7574 said:
Just plug Lucas formula into the search engine at the top of the page listed as search. The Flora Nova Bloom is basically just Lucas formula with Humus added. Ie one part Floramicro, and two parts Florabloom.

Humus (actually a soft coal called leonradite) is used along with potasium hydroxide, heat/pressure and phosphoric acid. These are are used for extraction and then stabilization. ie Lucas with humus/fulvic acid.

The humic/fulvic acid is very cheap and easy to make so if the price is high just pass it by. It would take about two paragraphs to explain how to make humuc/fulvic acid very cheaply from lignite carbon used in aquariums. Other than the carbon you need pottasium hydroxide, (from pH up) and some phosphoric acid (from pH down). Other acids and alkalines could also be used. These I simply chose because the potash and phosphorus would become residual fertilizers and because most people already posses the pH up and pH down. Something like sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid could be used just as well.
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Okay, heres what I am thinking let me know what you guys think. Mixing one part flora nova grow and flora nova bloom in a gallon water jug. Every time the water level is low just fill it back up to line on the res. Any thoughts? Would it be better to just to use the flora nova grow first before flowering and then switch to bloom when I start to flower?
 
fatman7574

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Mryuk23 said:
Okay, heres what I am thinking let me know what you guys think. Mixing one part flora nova grow and flora nova bloom in a gallon water jug. Every time the water level is low just fill it back up to line on the res. Any thoughts? Would it be better to just to use the flora nova grow first before flowering and then switch to bloom when I start to flower?
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Lucas has reported that using Grow until budding then switching over to bloom produced better results than using bloom through the full grow. He has also said that no great difference was seen by dumping the grow when switching over to bloom. How ever if you are not going to be adding nutrient as you add water (using a EC meter) but will instead be regularly dumping and replacing the nutrient reservoir, then yes h just add water daily. It is not a good idea to add nutrients to used reservoir water unless you have some way of measuring the EC level. Neither water usage or pH is an indicator of the EC.
 
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fatman7574 said:
Lucas has reported that using Grow until budding then switching over to bloom produced better results than using bloom through the full grow. He has also said that no great difference was seen by dumping the grow when switching over to bloom. How ever if you are not going to be adding nutrient as you add water (using a EC meter) but will instead be regularly dumping and replacing the nutrient reservoir, then yes h just add water daily. It is not a good idea to add nutrients to used reservoir water unless you have some way of measuring the EC level. Neither water usage or pH is an indicator of the EC.
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Fat man thanks again for the responses. They are really appreciated. So your saying it would be a better idea for me to change out the water rather than just filling it back up with water/nute mix from the half gallon jug and just add regular water as it goes down? If so how often should dump the older water and replace it with the water from the jug? I heard every week does that seem about right? thanks again.:leaf:
 
fatman7574

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It depends on the number of plants and the size etc. You still need to top the reservoir off with fresh water daily though. The nutrient strength will just slowly decline as they are taken up by the plants. Small plants can usually go several weeks before you need to change out the reservoir. As the plants grow they will use more nutrients so the reservoir will need to be changed out more. Most plants go through a rapid growth stage just after the lights are cut back to 12/12. During this period of time unless you have a large reservoir or few plants a week might be too long between reservoir changes. Here is a pretty good chart showing nutrients deficiency signs. You should not wait to see the changes but if any appear you should do a change. It is a more expensive way to grow but safer as adding new nutrients to old reservoir water can cause imbalances. It is hard enough to accomplish adding nutrients to old reservoir water with an EC meter, but without. I sure wouldn't.
 
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fatman7574 said:
It depends on the number of plants and the size etc. You still need to top the reservoir off with fresh water daily though. The nutrient strength will just slowly decline as they are taken up by the plants. Small plants can usually go several weeks before you need to change out the reservoir. As the plants grow they will use more nutrients so the reservoir will need to be changed out more. Most plants go through a rapid growth stage just after the lights are cut back to 12/12. During this period of time unless you have a large reservoir or few plants a week might be too long between reservoir changes. Here is a pretty good chart showing nutrients deficiency signs. You should not wait to see the changes but if any appear you should do a change. It is a more expensive way to grow but safer as adding new nutrients to old reservoir water can cause imbalances. It is hard enough to accomplish adding nutrients to old reservoir water with an EC meter, but without. I sure wouldn't.
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Okay thanks a lot I understand. Where is that chart you were talking about? Also when doing the changes what should I do to avoid the roots from being exposed to light? I heard this can kill them. I have the aerogarden so the top just lifts right off.
 
Magnopro

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GeneralHydroponics has a great website with all of their products and information on them.

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/calculator/index.html

First you need a containter to maintain your resevoir level (empty distilled water jug).

Select FloraNova series and enter 1 gallon into resevoir size. This will give you a breakdown of how much of their products to include into your system, depending on what part of the grow cycle you are in. I'm currently using just the Grow, Bloom and also Kabloom. All liquid.

Once you add the proper amount of nutrients to your container and it's evenly distributed you can top off your resevoir anytime you want. Since the concentration that you are pouring in is always at the same level. Just make sure to change your resevoir weekly.

Check the PH with a testing kit adding nutrients will more than likely throw your acid/base concentration off. This one of the main reasons for "nute burn".
 
fatman7574

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Magnopro said:
GeneralHydroponics has a great website with all of their products and information on them.

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/calculator/index.html

First you need a containter to maintain your resevoir level (empty distilled water jug).

Select FloraNova series and enter 1 gallon into resevoir size. This will give you a breakdown of how much of their products to include into your system, depending on what part of the grow cycle you are in. I'm currently using just the Grow, Bloom and also Kabloom. All liquid.

Once you add the proper amount of nutrients to your container and it's evenly distributed you can top off your resevoir anytime you want. Since the concentration that you are pouring in is always at the same level. Just make sure to change your resevoir weekly.

Check the PH with a testing kit adding nutrients will more than likely throw your acid/base concentration off. This one of the main reasons for "nute burn".
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Whoa Dude that is not the way to top off a reservoir. You need to keep the water topped off daily with RO water. After adding the DO water and adjsuting the pH if needed then check the EC of the reservoir nutrient water and then add the amount of nutrient concentrates needed to bring your EC back to your orginal EC.


How long have to been growing mj?
 
Magnopro

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I understand where your comming from and we can debate the use of Osmosis water and distilled water.

I can't believe you could run into any issues by using a standardizing concentration of nutrients in an aerogarden setup. At most the resevoir holds 1 gallon and i would bet that your ppm will not vary too much, especially if you follow the guidelines of refreshing your resevoir weekly.

As the plants drink up more and more water at a time qaulitative measurements will only increase as you have to refill the resevoir with a larger amount of water.

plus, it's safer and easier to do it this way, adding concentrated nutrients to a root laden system can cause big problems.

maybe i'm missing something and i'd be more than happy to catch some new knowledge, but i grew my first plant back in school in 02' and since i've started using an aerogarden i've had no issues doing it this way.
 
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