The Perfect God as a Reality

Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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"
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy (poor boy), I need no sympathy
Because I'm easy come, easy go
little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me

Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he's dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, ooo
Didn't mean to make you cry
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow
Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

It's too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody - I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo - (anyway the wind blows)
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all

<short guitar solo, proceeds into faster part>

I see a little silhouetto of a man
 Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the fandango?
Thunderbolts and lightning - very very frightening me
Galileo, Galileo,
Galileo, Galileo,
Galileo Figaro - magnifico-o-o-o

I'm just a poor boy nobody loves me
He's just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come easy go - will you let me go
It's the LAW! No - we will not let you go - let him go
It's the LAW! We will not let you go - let him go
It's the LAW! We will not let you go - let me go
Will not let you go - let me go (never)
Never let you go - let me go
Never let me go - ooo
No, no, no, no, no, no, no -
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let me go
Beelzebub has the devil put aside for me
for me
for me
for me

<guitar bridge>
So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye?
So you think you can love me and leave me to die?
Oh baby - can't do this to me baby
Just gotta get out - just gotta get right outta here
<guitar solo>
Ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters, nothing really matters, to me
<instrumental ending>
Anyway the wind blows...
<fade out>
"

:peace:
 
growthspurt

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BigTitLvr said:
These are all good points. You are describing the same emotion Einstein eluded to when he would refer to the word "god". It was Spinoza's god. Spinoza was a philosopher who essentially believed you could refer to the amazing creative force in the universe as "god" and experience the same spiritual elation believers do.

Though he is abstract, and not a person; God is the combination of all the natural forces at work in the universe, which thru their natural properties give rise to amazing, unexpected results.

Evolution, the quintessential fact of constant change, terrestrial or celestial, is God. That is my definition of god. And I have to admit, it is far more wonderous than the story I used to try to convince myself of: perfection lost, virgin birth and a coming Armageddon.
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Thank you for that response.. i was not aware of the person Spinoza I guess me and him are on somewhat of the same wave span.. i will definitely research him.
 
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Spinoza believed God exists only philosophically and that God was abstract and impersonal.[1] Spinoza's system imparted order and unity to the tradition of radical thought, offering powerful weapons for prevailing against "received authority." As a youth he first subscribed to Descartes's dualistic belief that body and mind are two separate substances, but later changed his view and asserted that they were not separate, being a single identity. He contended that everything that exists in Nature (i.e., everything in the Universe) is one Reality (substance) and there is only one set of rules governing the whole of the reality which surrounds us and of which we are part. Spinoza viewed God and Nature as two names for the same reality,[11] namely the single substance (meaning "that which stands beneath" rather than "matter") that is the basis of the universe and of which all lesser "entities" are actually modes or modifications, that all things are determined by Nature to exist and cause effects, and that the complex chain of cause and effect is only understood in part. His identification of God with nature was more fully explained in his posthumously published Ethics.[1] That humans presume themselves to have free will, he argues, is a result of their awareness of appetites while being unable to understand the reasons why they want and act as they do. Spinoza has been described by one writer as an "Epicurean materialist."[11]

Spinoza contends that "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature") is a being of infinitely many attributes, of which thought and extension are two. His account of the nature of reality, then, seems to treat the physical and mental worlds as one and the same. The universal substance consists of both body and mind, there being no difference between these aspects. This formulation is a historically significant solution to the mind-body problem known as neutral monism. The consequences of Spinoza's system also envisages a God that does not rule over the universe by providence, but a God which itself is the deterministic system of which everything in nature is a part. Thus, according to this understanding of Spinoza's system, God would be the natural world and have no personality.

In addition to substance, the other two fundamental concepts Spinoza presents, and develops in the Ethics are attribute &#8211; that which the intellect perceives as constituting the essence of substance, and mode &#8211; the modifications of substance, or that which exists in, and is conceived through, something other than itself.
Spinoza was a thoroughgoing determinist who held that absolutely everything that happens occurs through the operation of necessity. For him, even human behaviour is fully determined, with freedom being our capacity to know we are determined and to understand why we act as we do. So freedom is not the possibility to say "no" to what happens to us but the possibility to say "yes" and fully understand why things should necessarily happen that way. By forming more "adequate" ideas about what we do and our emotions or affections, we become the adequate cause of our effects (internal or external), which entails an increase in activity (versus passivity). This means that we become both more free and more like God, as Spinoza argues in the Scholium to Prop. 49, Part II. However, Spinoza also held that everything must necessarily happen the way that it does. Therefore, humans have no free will. They believe, however, that their will is free. In his letter to G. H. Schaller (Letter 62), he wrote: "men are conscious of their own desire, but are ignorant of the causes whereby that desire has been determined."[18]

Spinoza's philosophy has much in common with Stoicism in as much as both philosophies sought to fulfill a therapeutic role by instructing people how to attain happiness (or eudaimonia, for the Stoics). However, Spinoza differed sharply from the Stoics in one important respect: he utterly rejected their contention that reason could defeat emotion. On the contrary, he contended, an emotion can only be displaced or overcome by a stronger emotion. For him, the crucial distinction was between active and passive emotions, the former being those that are rationally understood and the latter those that are not. He also held that knowledge of true causes of passive emotion can transform it to an active emotion, thus anticipating one of the key ideas of Sigmund Freud's psychoanalysis.[19]
Some of Spinoza's philosophical positions are:


  • The natural world is infinite.
  • Good and evil are related to human pleasure and pain.
  • Everything done by humans and other animals is excellent and divine.
  • All rights are derived from the State.
  • Animals can be used in any way by people for the benefit of the human race, according to a rational consideration of the benefit as well as the animal's status in nature.
 
CrackerJax

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I cannot attest to other books, but I own this one and is a great read, if you wish to be truly enlightened.

Translation: The church tried to kill him.

 
growthspurt

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Ive been really doing a lot of research on this so I would appreciate it if you not going to intelligently agree or disagree then please no random posting.
 
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duhhbaa said:
The dead sea scrolls is what you base your life upon?? You might want to get a ceribral cortex. If you think you can understand God then you are a fool. Can you really wrap your mind around something so big that at 160000 miles per second it takes more than one billion years to travel just part of the way accross the universe??? Then why do you think you can comprehend God..? You will not enjoy damnation so you might want to hedge your bets before your body burns in the eternal fire of the damned. Next time you are at a fire think of putting your feet in the coals and letting them cook. Now think about 100 times that in pain that never ceases or fades or changes and your screams forever and forever as you suffer without end without ever a rest just screams of pain forever... Enjoy that because you want to believe in the almight usa and people you want to kill God... Oh and for all you others, only one said he was the Son of God, muhaamaad did not, buddahhhaa did not so you get your facts straight. Also the muhamaad in the Koran goes back and forth between hate and kill and love and spare. no real ryhme or reason so in the end he most likely was a mad man and nothing more. God did never waver and love was his message. Make no mistake He does not say tho shall not kill He says thou shall not commit murder, He is just and fair but you will get what you deserve and it will not be pleasant just because He wanted you to be good. Hell is real. Heaven is real. The biggest lie the devil ever convinced man of was that he did not exists..... Now go sin and sin and blastphemy until you find your place in helllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh say hi to adolf in the pinapple ass room for me....
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ahh the response of ignorance. Let me ask you this mister 2nd post...have you ever taken your time to read and UNDERSTAND any opposing idea of what is God and life ethics? Because I have definitely spent my share of life following/practicing christian belief and then some time learning about the other side. In which once you become knowledgeable on the subject the choice just becomes easy.

All religious responses are spoken and almost immediately hide behind the fact that "we cant comprehend" why it is done and that's that.
 
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Woodstock.Hippie said:
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I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your post but I would like for you to explain what you are posting unless I'm going to think your just spamming. I tried to watch one of your posts and I feel as if I need to be tripping to understand. I see that it doesn't relate with the point that I'M trying to convey.. but at the time it doesn't support the religion side.. so yes I feel as if you are just spamming. So please either explain what the heck it is your posting or I will report them!
 
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God is great!!!! God is just!!! God is our only hope... Don't you know that scientists said for decades that they knew the universe was contracting in on itself. Funny just a few years or 2 back they said wait, we did not have a clue what we were talking about and we now say, and know it is expanding. Funny how much they might learn tomorrow.... Hope you all learn to believe in God before your finale tomorrow because you will not like what you find after that if you don't.... Small minds.. Why did God create man? Why is He perfect?? You can say nothing is perfect but how do you know? Maybe everything is perfect and you just have a flawed perspective. Hmmmm. No you and Darwin must know everthing. One question for you. If we are just random atoms put together by chance why only one species, man, out of millions became or is self aware. Meaning man knows he has a beginning an ending and a middle, no other species on earth but man is self aware. Yeah I am sure it just was random. And don't say dolphins are self aware, it does not mean they can preceive themselves in a mirror it means they know of past, future and present and no monkeys don't either. How can I know that well if you observe your environment you can see they don't do as a self aware animal would do....They don't know they had grandparents and that the earth is a ball in space or anything but what their program tells them... don't be fooled or you surely will be a fool..................
Roseman said:
I do not understand the microwave, but I sure use it everyday.

And I surely do not understand the TV Remote and how it works. But I surely use it everynight.
And do I understand God's Grace and Love?
No, but I sure lean on it, trust in it and depend on it.
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Woodstock.Hippie

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growthspurt said:
ISo please either explain what the heck it is your posting or I will report them!
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Please read the post very carefully, included the coded subtext message in the title of the post that you did not capture with either your quote, nor the first pass of your Eye, my friend.
As intended.
Chill and feel the music if you would like to groove with the good vibe.

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Hippie Tip:

The hidden message in this post is that modern humansity has become far removed from our Sun.

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Katatawnic

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BigTitLvr said:
Though he is abstract, and not a person; God is the combination of all the natural forces at work in the universe, which thru their natural properties give rise to amazing, unexpected results.

Evolution, the quintessential fact of constant change, terrestrial or celestial, is God. That is my definition of god. And I have to admit, it is far more wonderous than the story I used to try to convince myself of: perfection lost, virgin birth and a coming Armageddon.
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This has been my philosophy since childhood, even before I could put philosophy into words and discuss it coherently. It is indeed far more wonderous than any storybook I've read.

duhhbaa said:
You will not enjoy damnation so you might want to hedge your bets before your body burns in the eternal fire of the damned. Next time you are at a fire think of putting your feet in the coals and letting them cook. Now think about 100 times that in pain that never ceases or fades or changes and your screams forever and forever as you suffer without end without ever a rest just screams of pain forever...
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I live close to this level of suffering every moment of every day of my life, and that's only counting my good days. (Sadly, I'm not exaggerating.) Tell me something I'm supposed to fear. :lol:

Oh and for all you others, only one said he was the Son of God, muhaamaad did not, buddahhhaa did not so you get your facts straight.
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Because some guy said he was the son of God, that makes it so? That's funny right there! :lol:

Also the muhamaad in the Koran goes back and forth between hate and kill and love and spare. no real ryhme or reason so in the end he most likely was a mad man and nothing more.
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Just as the Torah and Bible do. Same difference.

He is just and fair but you will get what you deserve and it will not be pleasant just because He wanted you to be good.
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Just like any parents disciplining their children. That doesn't make them gods.

Now go sin and sin and blastphemy until you find your place in helllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh say hi to adolf in the pinapple ass room for me....
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Why, thank you for the lovely sentiment... you have a nice day, too!

CrackerJax said:
That's so cogent. G*D cannot be comprehended, and then you tell us what it all means...

Uhhh, fail.
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No kidding! :roll:

growthspurt said:
I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your post but I would like for you to explain what you are posting unless I'm going to think your just spamming. I tried to watch one of your posts and I feel as if I need to be tripping to understand. I see that it doesn't relate with the point that I'M trying to convey.. but at the time it doesn't support the religion side.. so yes I feel as if you are just spamming. So please either explain what the heck it is your posting or I will report them!
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I came to the conclusion that WH likes to spam a while ago. I've long since given up trying to decipher the "coded" posts. ;)

One question for you. If we are just random atoms put together by chance why only one species, man, out of millions became or is self aware. Meaning man knows he has a beginning an ending and a middle, no other species on earth but man is self aware. Yeah I am sure it just was random. And don't say dolphins are self aware, it does not mean they can preceive themselves in a mirror it means they know of past, future and present and no monkeys don't either. How can I know that well if you observe your environment you can see they don't do as a self aware animal would do....They don't know they had grandparents and that the earth is a ball in space or anything but what their program tells them... don't be fooled or you surely will be a fool..................
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You can not know for a fact that the only species that is self aware is man. Self awareness is purely subjective; hence the word "self" inserted in there. There are countless things we thought we "knew" about other animals, only to find later through closer observation that we were wrong.

Now, if you want to assert that humans are the only species that acts concerned about self awareness and how crucial it is to define its own existence so that it all "means" something, I'd give you that.

This just reminded me of lyrics from "Silent All These Years" by Tori Amos...

So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts.
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts?
Boy you best pray that I bleed real soon... how's that thought for ya?

My point? I don't know, the lyrics are just running through my mind over and over now. :lol: Let me try... Our individual "deep thoughts" aren't so "deep" to others, because it is all subjective. Perhaps we have a self awareness that other animals don't because we need it, whereas they don't. While we're sitting here concerned with why we exist, other animals are concerned with the act of existing.

(Now, if someone can put into words what I'm trying to convey with abstracts, feel free to have at it! The thinking and speaking centers of my brain aren't communicating well today. lol)

Woodstock.Hippie said:
Please read the post very carefully, included the coded subtext message in the title of the post that you did not capture with either your quote, nor the first pass of your Eye, my friend.
As intended.

:peace:
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Are you ever going to figure out that we don't care about "coded subtext messages" and the likes? We're having discussions here, not playing Clue. If we want to know whether Mr. Mustard did it in the library with a candlestick, we'll let you know.
 
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