The Perfect God as a Reality
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CrackerJax
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Length and accuracy aren't coupled together.
morgentaler
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Soooo, are you just making all this up as you go along or do you have some magical book to reinforce your claims too?
Mr.GreenJeans
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I just gained a HUGE amount of respect for you my friend!!! That statement damned near sums up "faith" in a nutshell!!! Do I "understand" God and his methodology? No, and to think I am even capable of doing so is the utmost extreme in arrogance and ignorance.
As to the whole heaven/hell thing, let us remember--- Hell did NOT exist in Christian theology until the middle ages. Basically it appeared with the King James version of the Bible, which I personally find to be incredibly corrupted and flawed by politicians --- you must remember that the King WAS the head of the church at that time. What better way to keep your subjects in line than to scare the shit out of them with the threat of hell??? That's also when the whole bullshit concept of tithing (sp?) 10% appeared [the original income tax!!]. And what about the Apochrypha (sp?) and the other known gospels that were eliminated by the fucking Roman Catholic Church (the single most evil entity in the history of mankind IMHO) because they did not forward the Popes personal agenda at the time. But I digress. I don't want to get into an arguement with fellow members over particular theologies. I personally am not a big fan of "organized" religion, but I am ABSOLUTELY Christian, If that makes sense.
I accept the fact that Jesus WAS/IS the "son" of god and that he was sacrificed in order to allow for the salvation of the rest of us. BUT --- I don't believe that I need to go to some building and listen to some jerk-off give me HIS personal opinion as to what the gospels mean. I'm perfectly capable of doing that myself, thank you very much, and I feel MUCH closer to God when I am out in Nature than I EVER will in some "church". You know when I truly feel closest to God?? When I wake up out in the woods on the side of a mountain (usually somewhere along the Appalachian trail) and greet the sunrise while smoking a bowl. At one with nature and in tune with the world around me, without the bullshit of normal "civilized" life infringing on my thoughts and perceptions. Maybe it's the Cherokee/Creek blood in me that makes me feel that way, but I swear that is the closest thing to heaven you can experience on this earthly plane. And I truly believe that God has absolutely NO problem with us smoking weed as long as it is positive for us spiritually and helps us to be more introspective and "in tune". Alcohol, on the other hand has an opposite effect and corrupts our thought patterns and perceptions and generally causes a negative personality shift, but that is a whole other discussion.
Peace to all of you, and good growing!!!!
growthspurt
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While interesting it seems more of a story, but I guess its the stories that people believe....the man written stories...
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CrackerJax
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The lies are in the book. You have been misled from the get go.
There is no Satan. It's okay to live your life free and clear from superstition, but it isn't easy.
It takes a personal strength to be truly independent and free from myths and superstitions.
Religion is a mental crutch, but I assure you it is not needed. Have faith ... in yourself and ur fellow man. No need for hocus pocus.
There is no Satan. It's okay to live your life free and clear from superstition, but it isn't easy.
It takes a personal strength to be truly independent and free from myths and superstitions.
Religion is a mental crutch, but I assure you it is not needed. Have faith ... in yourself and ur fellow man. No need for hocus pocus.
Woodstock.Hippie
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why can you feel Trey screaming
why can't you pick up "The Book"
why can't IT be named
who is Icculus?
Can entities = sprites = bots?
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Great Gate inscriptions , eh?
also at 4:20 especially for the great blue one expecting a fox on the other side of the hedge
Not fully Realizing what types of Mystic magical Blue Creatures Used Their Tails quite so adeptly So Very Long Ago.
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boxofstankay
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Woodstock.Hippie
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No im just blindly believing the first thing that comes to mind
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IT happens when the ignore button is clicked often enough, you know.
CrackerJax
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Checkmate......No im just blindly believing the first thing that comes to mind
Woodstock.Hippie
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Blind as bats they are.
morgentaler
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Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The first lie in the bible.
So only good things come from God, and bad things only come from what could be considered one of God's crossing guards who got a bit uppity. And God has no power to chastise that crossing guard, nor stop him. Or at least no desire to whatsoever.
Meanwhile God goes about his business lying in Genesis, then ordering people to murder every living thing in the walls of cities (more than once), murders all living things on earth that Noah didn't fit on the ark... etc. etc.
It's a good thing that it's no more true than The Lord of The Rings or "God" would have some 'splainin' to do.
CrackerJax
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The invention of Satan was necessary to give an excuse why the world is so cruddy, and followers do bad things.
growthspurt
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Exactly, and when a "god" or anyone for that matter condemns something that is labeled with as "knowledge" and says I cant have it only means they are worried about the truth being revealed.
CrackerJax
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Adam & Eve were forbidden from eating from the tree of "knowledge".
So the intent was for us to be content, but stupid. Hey, some do that now!!
But since G*D KNEW EVE would bite on the apple because G*D knows everything and is not constrained to time lines..... he must have wanted us to suffer from the get go. So, why the ruse?
See how much sense the Bible makes? It's just so concise and logical. Like the word of G*D would be....right? Not like it was written by a primitive ppl..... right?
So the intent was for us to be content, but stupid. Hey, some do that now!!
But since G*D KNEW EVE would bite on the apple because G*D knows everything and is not constrained to time lines..... he must have wanted us to suffer from the get go. So, why the ruse?
See how much sense the Bible makes? It's just so concise and logical. Like the word of G*D would be....right? Not like it was written by a primitive ppl..... right?
BigTitLvr
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Let me explain a classic 'perfect' God contradiction:
You say God is 'perfectly' loving, just, righteous and powerful. But, a perfectly just and righteous God can NOT punish his creation for anything they do. Because if you create beings with intelligence and free will, you accept the consequences that some will do good and some will do bad. But like a computer programmer, His creation can only act within the boundaries of the program He wrote.
Therefore it would be neither loving, just or righteous to punish us, for behaving within our design parameters. Had he wished us to all behave good, he ought to have the power to write a 'good' program. So He must have 'chose' to write us as we are.
Clearly, each and every one of us are acting within his designed program. Therefore, clearly each of us are already in his favor.
This is similar to the belief system written by Neale Donald Wulsch in his books "Conversations with God". He basically said when God created the universe he essentially split himself into the untold trillions of atoms that make it up (the big bang). The universe eventually evolves life. So all of us are literally: a piece of god. When our consciousness dies, we return to him. That's the only sort of heaven there is and everyone gets there, even Hitler. Yes, God wants us all to be good but, whatever we do, we are still part of him in this great experiment of creation he has started so long ago.
A lot of hogwash, but it just goes to show that with enough imagination, the wondrous human intelligence can create a satisfactory solution to great problems, like: the inherent contradiction of God's INFINITE love- which does have an END; at Armageddon, where he spills the blood of evil people doing ONLY what their faulty brains allow then to do, which he designed.
Believe in some higher power if you must, but don't be so gullible to accept another person or organization's description of him. They're the ones talking 'perfect', to sell you guilt. You buying?
You say God is 'perfectly' loving, just, righteous and powerful. But, a perfectly just and righteous God can NOT punish his creation for anything they do. Because if you create beings with intelligence and free will, you accept the consequences that some will do good and some will do bad. But like a computer programmer, His creation can only act within the boundaries of the program He wrote.
Therefore it would be neither loving, just or righteous to punish us, for behaving within our design parameters. Had he wished us to all behave good, he ought to have the power to write a 'good' program. So He must have 'chose' to write us as we are.
Clearly, each and every one of us are acting within his designed program. Therefore, clearly each of us are already in his favor.
This is similar to the belief system written by Neale Donald Wulsch in his books "Conversations with God". He basically said when God created the universe he essentially split himself into the untold trillions of atoms that make it up (the big bang). The universe eventually evolves life. So all of us are literally: a piece of god. When our consciousness dies, we return to him. That's the only sort of heaven there is and everyone gets there, even Hitler. Yes, God wants us all to be good but, whatever we do, we are still part of him in this great experiment of creation he has started so long ago.
A lot of hogwash, but it just goes to show that with enough imagination, the wondrous human intelligence can create a satisfactory solution to great problems, like: the inherent contradiction of God's INFINITE love- which does have an END; at Armageddon, where he spills the blood of evil people doing ONLY what their faulty brains allow then to do, which he designed.
Believe in some higher power if you must, but don't be so gullible to accept another person or organization's description of him. They're the ones talking 'perfect', to sell you guilt. You buying?
CrackerJax
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What sort of G*D designs a planet based on violence? I'm not talking just about man...but everything. This is the planet of blood.... death is a requirement of one to feed another.
G*D is unlimited in supposed powah and wisdom... so why all the violence? G*D could have designed a planet that gets everything from solar radiation.... no need to kill anything...killing would be UNKNOWN...there would be no point to doing it.
And yet.... we live on a world that will surely kill you if you stand still long enough.
That's not love.... that's not divine....that's not a G*D design by definition.
G*D is unlimited in supposed powah and wisdom... so why all the violence? G*D could have designed a planet that gets everything from solar radiation.... no need to kill anything...killing would be UNKNOWN...there would be no point to doing it.
And yet.... we live on a world that will surely kill you if you stand still long enough.
That's not love.... that's not divine....that's not a G*D design by definition.
Woodstock.Hippie
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Energy is neither created nor destroyed IT merely changes
Does IT internally elevate you in some way?
Perhaps IT helps you to survive to be fit enough to plant your seeds.
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Why such the drive to kill not only religion, but indeed the Spirituality of others?
Does IT internally elevate you in some way?
Perhaps IT helps you to survive to be fit enough to plant your seeds.
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BigTitLvr
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I disagree. I think his comment is clearly asking questions about god's creative choices- not religion or spirituality.Energy is neither created nor destroyed IT merely changes
Why such the drive to kill not only religion, but indeed the Spirituality of others?
Does IT internally elevate you in some way?
Perhaps IT helps you to survive to be fit enough to plant your seeds.
I too, believe you could make an intelligent case against god based simply on his creation decisions, without invoking any opinions regarding religion or spirituality.