THC/SCHIZOPHRENIA relations

[Leftorium]

As soon as super potent weeds like super skunk started becoming popular, in UK for example, number of instances of schizophrenia has increased. Personally I knew a guy with schizophrenia & for sure when he smoked mellow hash he was chilled but if he smoked weed he'd get aggressive etc.

 

[gloomysmokes707]

what are you Uk smokers doing different with their skunk that americans arent... i live in california in a marijuana sub culture ...marijuana is it in these parts... the everything and anything is marijuana... i have never even heard of this shit outside of here... i guess i dont watch stupid programs either i like to learn about factual shit.

 

[gloomysmokes707]

the day my doctor comes to me and tells me hey stop smoking marijuana you are at risk of schizophrenia because of the hich thc content i would first ... laugh my freaking ass off because im that high... second i would be like how is that... third i would get a second opinion lol... i smoke every single day pretty much all day ...or when ever i can. I am pretty sane... i know a thousand other people from all walks of life and age that are pretty sane after smoking marijuana habitually.

 

[deflator]

To my understanding, ANY psychoactive can induce the first schizophrenic episode in people with the genetic predisposition. If you've gotten reallllly high, or done shrooms/LSD/mescaline etc and not completely lost it, you're probably in the clear.

My sister is schizo-affective. Weed makes her much more paranoid. She still enjoys being high, but only alone. Every person is different and must make their own evaluation as to marijuana's benefits for them versus the side-effects.

 

[rocksteady6]

Firstly, Inval, that took me a long time to read. I got bored and skipped the ending.
"Its not rocket science to figure out that if you punish drugs, any drug, often enough you are going to become emotionally unstable which will eventually end up with some sort of neurological disorder. Blaming it on certain strains makes me laugh a little.
I thought i should edit this too. Allowing a schizophrenic to smoke is asking for trouble and in my eyes moronic. I have seen first hand some stuff that doesnt need to be posted here as a result. The good herb can be enjoyed like many other drugs in moderation and when it takes over your life, time for a break. Obviously medical users are a completely different story. " Post 1

"I think this site is full of wankers who know very little on various topics and want to criticise instead of offering help. I dont want to criticise your opinion but i it may interest you to visit the local psych ward and have a chat with their patients and discover how they came to be there. As you will see in my past posts i dont give advice on growing as i dont know about it. I know about this. Not all patients i agree but a lot. We dont need studies to confirm something thats completely obvious. Do we do studies on whether getting hit by a car causes injuries? "

I actually never called him a wanker. I just said that there are a lot on this site. I can be one, often if i dont get cheese on my pasta. I did offer help with my suggestion to visit the local ward and speak to their patients. I have had 2 close friends both develop schizophrenia and spent a lot, and i mean a lot of time with them and in their wards. I dont need books, and studies on mice to confirm something i know is true. I said that the continual use of drugs is going to have an effect on the brain. Any drug. It may not be effecting everyone in the same way and at the same rate. You are obviously well informed by your book collection. Yes those authors are intelligent people and everyone has their opinion.

Here is a little case study for you. Friend of mine. Healthy boy until the age of 16, started smoking the herb and became a heavy user, age 19 diagnosed with schizophrenia. Came home on his 20th birthday and stabbed his sister to death. Now yes he may well have developed it in is life but anyone with a brain could see the effect it was having on him. He got progressively weirder and obviously to the extent he lost control of his actions or at least thought patterns.

Dont get me wrong i love a smoke too. Everything in moderation. I think its wrong for people to believe that just because one person can smoke for many years and have no adverse effeccts that they will be immune also.

 

[gloomysmokes707]

are we talking about marijuana still? and its side effects? i dont see long term marijuana use linked to schizophrenia. i am not a doctor or health expert niether but have 11 years of steadily smoking marijuana... every person around me smokes marijuana i dont really know anyone but kids and my grandma who dont smoke it. Its like people and their alcohol consumption in these parts of the world. Its just that simple alot of people smoke weed... if you are prone to schizophrenia ie. it runs in the family or you have paranoid thoughts or feel anxious when you smoke marijuana it doesnt take a fucken genius to say hey this isnt making me very well i think i shall stop. come on man you make marijuana out to be this cause and blame for something that is a very very serious illness ... this shit isnt a joke kiddies... pure organic marijuana is safe. I would think if marijuana was linked to the illness there would be hundreds i mean hundreds of thousands of kids commiting random acts of violance and many marijuana users being sent away to the crazy hospital for schizophrenia and delusional thoughts or actions. There is not one single proof of evidence out there that 100% organic all natural marijuana is causing kids to go off their hinges. I simply dont believe this is true. Just another pawn to scare people from using a very safe alternative medicine. If you are a schizophrenic please do not smoke marijuana. You will go completely psycho and kill us. lol

 

[buttery420]

To my understanding, ANY psychoactive can induce the first schizophrenic episode in people with the genetic predisposition.

Precisely. Also people with schizophrenia are more likely to SEEK OUT these kind of things as a form of self-medication. I'd say smoking pot is more a result of schizophrenia not vise-versa.

 

[sourdieselismyonlyfriend]

Its not rocket science to figure out that if you punish drugs, any drug, often enough you are going to become emotionally unstable which will eventually end up with some sort of neurological disorder.

I AGREE COMPLETELY as i have had my share of dependancies, and i have found that in quitting some of the other substances i have come to smoke alot more herb, and when i dont have it it can cause extreme stress. high irritibility. basically withdrawls without getting sick. just a bad as attitude that doesnt lead to anything good. but as far as schizophrenia i dont know, i havent heard anything. but im sure as rock said that its definitely not a good idea to share any kind of mind altering substance with someone with a mental disorder.. for fucs sake..

 

[buttery420]

Well umm marijuana actually has a lot of potential to alleviate the symptoms of anxiety disorders for example in contrast to highly addictive drugs like benzodiazapine's that have major physical effects after long-term use, ie. liver failure. Not enough research has been done into the drug to come to any major conclusion, and the studdies that have been done are so utterly ambiguous. More research must be done.

 

[gloomysmokes707]

i smoke marijuana for my generalized anxiety disorder and post traumatic stress... its worked miracles in my life and made me the stable family man i am today. Its not for everyone this is true. But when you talk about other dependencies ... we are talking about only marijuana here. A plant with medicinal properties... im talking about something that is not man made. You are all speaking of drugs in which are very different in properties , and mental and physical affects. Its the fuzzyness in between that lead people to believe marijuana is a harmful drug.

 

[buttery420]

i smoke marijuana for my generalized anxiety disorder and post traumatic stress... its worked miracles in my life and made me the stable family man i am today. Its not for everyone this is true. But when you talk about other dependencies ... we are talking about only marijuana here. A plant with medicinal properties... im talking about something that is not man made. You are all speaking of drugs in which are very different in properties , and mental and physical affects. Its the fuzzyness in between that lead people to believe marijuana is a harmful drug.

Nice post. Good to hear it's worked well for you, it's worked really well for me as well : )
I think it has a lot to do with the western pharmaceutical industry, the trust we put in these "professionals", when they obviously have an agenda...I'm not saying in the least that medication is bad, but it's quite literally forced down our throat, the industry is so powerful. I mean the US account for 90% of Ritalin consumption.

 

[gloomysmokes707]

i went to the doctor he tried to give me some pills not just one but three... i believe i was prescribed xanex(panic attacks), trazadone (insomnia,restlessness), the third one started with a c and it was for my post traumatic stress and anxiety. i took em once and litarally felt like that guy in a few posts back was saying "crazy" lol never felt that way off marijuana though not even once... it confirmed in what i already knew. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Its called Marijuana. We are fortunate enough to have it as a medication here in california. thankfully

 

[smallclosetgrowr]

its stupid to think MJ cant or doesnt lead people onto schizophrenia ...the results are out there fucking google it , not only does MJ cause schizophrenia but its also all the hydro shit going around the U.K and all the chemicals going into the weed that really fucks fucks with the smokers ...also all the kids smoking MJ b4 there brain has fully devoleped at around the age of 13-16 is another major factor into people devoloping mental ilnesses later on

 

[buttery420]

its stupid to think MJ cant or doesnt lead people onto schizophrenia ...the results are out there fucking google it , not only does MJ cause schizophrenia but its also all the hydro shit going around the U.K and all the chemicals going into the weed that really fucks fucks with the smokers ...also all the kids smoking MJ b4 there brain has fully devoleped at around the age of 13-16 is another major factor into people devoloping mental ilnesses later on

People have predisposition to the illness which can be triggered by many things, one of them being pot, another isolation sometimes there is no trigger.
Individuals who suffer from schizophrenia also frequently suffer from depression, anxiety and all sorts of emotional issues so for them it is natural to seek out a way of alleviating these symptoms.

I agree that if a person's brain is not fully developed any chemicals consumed, including medications, such as Ritalin can mess with that child's brain chemistry for life. So i would recommend that you don't use chemicals on a regular basis if your brain is still developing but I don't dictate it because I know that a 14 year old suffering from Marjor depression may need's anti-depressants to live.

 

[Drr]

its stupid to think MJ cant or doesnt lead people onto schizophrenia ...the results are out there fucking google it , not only does MJ cause schizophrenia but its also all the hydro shit going around the U.K and all the chemicals going into the weed that really fucks fucks with the smokers ...also all the kids smoking MJ b4 there brain has fully devoleped at around the age of 13-16 is another major factor into people devoloping mental ilnesses later on

good post.. but those who get it would have gotten it anyway.. week minds/genetics..

I'm a depressed, ADHD, insomniac, with mild skitzo caused by childhood trama(big event plus low selfestem from being picked on alot), parents(guilt trip, munipulations), 2 head injuries, and waking up one day realizing the world is just not the happy marry jolly place momma made it out to be.... this plant is a god send.. I know for a FACT.. good pot (for me a nice kush strain) puts me right in the zone fully funtional loving every minute of the day.. I've only experienced this a few times.. not nearly as many as I would like to..

the rise in pot use (drug use in general) and skitzo reports also can be matched up with the bullshit war on terror my friend.. not to mentioned all the bullshit in food these days.. and the AIR.. people need to take their heads out of their asses and stop trying to find something to blame..
Also more and more people are getting more information (internet, media, etc) and realizing whats actually going on in this god for saken land...


The big issues are under aged use.. I started at 21, for issue reasons.. works wonders.. a developing mind should not be smoking...

Improper growing/harvesting.. HUGE issue... mainly because it's illegal and harder to grow.. and people are inexperienced..

and drum roll pleaseeeeee...

THC... the age old myth of holding THC as the main and best ingredient this plant has to offer.. THC won't give you a good high without the rest of the crew.. CBN and CDB.. CBD acts as a slow release for THC..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7cZf2tFCQ

they say canabinoid... not sure which one? they say more like the make up of the plant.. im assumeing CBD..


CBN is suposed to be anti-inflamatory... good for pain killer/sleep..
which THC breaks down into..


THC is 1/3 if not 1/6 or 1/10 of the battle.. who knows for sure.. This is all information i've gathered reading and from my observation over the years of smoking..

There needs to be more testing done period.. BUT the government is afraid they wouldn't be able to suppress it anymore if they find it's actually benifical..

 

[Drr]

Let's not forget the privacy issues over in the UK which has gotten worse... you can match up that curve up also..

 

[rocksteady6]

God this thread is pissing me off. This will be my last post. People relying on books to give them answers are a little naive. Yes maybe smoking activates something already in the body, maybe its how its grown, the THC content...whatever. Regardless of this is still heavily linked to various mental illness. The last post was the least informative. I completely understand medical users which smoke for pain relief. I dont have a huge experience of medcial users with anxiety issues but then again (i am going to be hated for this) i think the whole 'stress' issue is a joke. Most of those people are on free hand outs from the government because they have had something happen to them in life. Yes there are some that should be supported. People with real problems but unfortunately all these government initiatives are abused and we end up with about 10% real cases and the other 90% are dipshits living of taxpayers.
People can convince themselves however they like. Alcoholics body functions are often performed better when they are drunk. Does this mean that consuming a case of beer a day is good. Get a grip on reality. Marijuana is a great thing to enjoy but people who do it daily, without a break occasionally, are actually doing themselves and society harm. Next time i speak to a CEO that tells me he smokes all the time i may change my mind.
People convince themselves that smoking continuosly 'makes me feel better' but really its just they dont know any diferent and are completely addicted. All drug addicts are the same. Its not until you are free from it all that your mind clears, you begin to accomplish things and actually become enjoyable to be around to people that are not bent off their faces. Smokers over time develop a group of friends that all smoke and this magnifies their belief that its all good. As i said before i love a smoke but in moderation. Dont believe everything you read. Go have a look yourself. I always enjoy a good debate by the way but this what i mention is obvious for people with the correct amount of chromosomes.

 

[hightyde27]

i am a mmj patient diagnosed schizo-effective. i have to 100% agree that higher THC % makes things a LOT harder; increased paranoia and other symptoms. heavy indicas with a higher amount of CBD have always mellowed me out, calmed me down and made me relax and be able to function normally, hence the mmj. 70% of Sativas are my worst enemy.

Man, I'm glad I read this post. I got my card for PTSD and pain relief, and I had noticed I had a harder time with sativa's. A big part of PTSD is paranoia; not knowing if a lump of trash on the road is going to detonate, a person standing in a window looks like they're holding a weapon, corners are my worst nightmare, the list goes on....
It looks like the Sativa's amplified all of em. Which sucks cause I like the energy it gives me but if i'm not, like the other dude said, "playing guitar or painting" I go fuckin bonkers. I was wondering if it was the weed heightening all of that ( it was a bummer cause I thought I was going to have to quit smoking)
Looks like I'm gonna be growing Kush now....
which beats the shit out of beer any day.

 

[buttery420]

God this thread is pissing me off.This will be my last post.
Because some people don't blindly believe what you have to say...

People relying on books to give them answers are a little naive.
I don't know what alternative to books there is...aside from the internet...where half the stuff isn't even referenced. The media hypes this sort of thing up. I saw a headline for an article a few months ago 'conclusive study finds TCH causes mental illness'. My partner and I read a little into the study and it was so vague. The head researcher even said that no conclusive evidence was found and that a link could not be proven.

The last post was the least informative. I completely understand medical users which smoke for pain relief. I dont have a huge experience of medcial users with anxiety issues but then again (i am going to be hated for this) i think the whole 'stress' issue is a joke. Most of those people are on free hand outs from the government because they have had something happen to them in life. Yes there are some that should be supported. People with real problems but unfortunately all these government initiatives are abused and we end up with about 10% real cases and the other 90% are dipshits living of taxpayers.
Any citations there? I didn't think so. That's such an ignorant social commentary to make, after reading it i'm not sure debating the issue at hand is even worth delving into with someone so naive to the suffering of others.

People can convince themselves however they like. Alcoholics body functions are often performed better when they are drunk.
No they don't...they're in a partially brain-dead state...oxygen is deprived from the brain, people who are drunk act irrational, people who drink long-term end up with all sorts of problems including liver failure.

Does this mean that consuming a case of beer a day is good. Get a grip on reality. marijuana is a great thing to enjoy but people who do it daily, without a break occasionally, are actually doing themselves and society harm.
Yes pot heads are such dangerous, violent people...I think you're the one who needs to get a grip on reality.

Next time i speak to a CEO that tells me he smokes all the time i may change my mind.
CEO's tend to do a lot of cocaine...and sit on their asses most of the day...

People convince themselves that smoking continuosly 'makes me feel better' but really its just they dont know any diferent and are completely addicted.
So smoking continuously does what exactly, once again I would love some citations.

All drug addicts are the same.
It has been determined that cannabis is not addictive.

Dont believe everything you read. Go have a look yourself. I always enjoy a good debate by the way but this what i mention is obvious for people with the correct amount of chromosomes.

You haven't delved into debate whatsoever. The arguments you make are full of repetition, straw-men and logical fallacies, no proof, no citations, no evidence and on top of that, apparently you don't read books.

 

[clasonde]

Man, I'm glad I read this post. I got my card for PTSD and pain relief, and I had noticed I had a harder time with sativa's. A big part of PTSD is paranoia; not knowing if a lump of trash on the road is going to detonate, a person standing in a window looks like they're holding a weapon, corners are my worst nightmare, the list goes on....
It looks like the Sativa's amplified all of em. Which sucks cause I like the energy it gives me but if i'm not, like the other dude said, "playing guitar or painting" I go fuckin bonkers. I was wondering if it was the weed heightening all of that ( it was a bummer cause I thought I was going to have to quit smoking)
Looks like I'm gonna be growing Kush now....
which beats the shit out of beer any day.

sativas are awesome dont get me wrong, but just like you said, the energy is nice from a sativa but it greatly increases paranoia for me.

definitely check out some heavy indicas, they work wonders for me.