Wonder Woman & Northern Lights Coal Chamber Stealth Closet Grow

SotaFats

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First and Foremost I want to Thank RIU for all the info that I have gleaned/studied from this web site. I would +Rep everyone if I could. I hope that this journal might help some another grower in their endeavors, well DUH.

Background / History.
Had a couple grows in the past but nothing that’s worth bragging about. Hopefully this grow will turn out better. Trying to produce enough for my Girlfriend and I. Girlfriend has a serious medical condition that keeps her appetite at an alarming low and she endures constant pain. The doctors have her hooked on the Percocets which drops her appetite even more. Unfortunately we can’t afford the good smoke around here at $50 a 1/8. The mexi regulars help her a little bit, but she can smoke at least a quarter of schwag in 5 days, not to mention my recreational use.

Current grow attempt led from conversations this winter with a friend about a gorilla grow somewhere around here Spring 2010. As the Fates would have it, said friend adopted some nice plants that his friend couldn’t take care of anymore. So he sets up his first grow and is going DIY all the way, he is quite the MacGuyver and made the prototype for the aeroponics that I’m using to (TRY TO!) clone. I helped him out a little with some miscellaneous equipment and information. We had discussed using my basement for a Mother/Clone cabinet for spring gorilla plantings. In the mean time his friend orders Femmed Wonder Woman seeds from Nirvana and germs all 6, which I guess was 1 to many for his grow space. So he gives a sprout to my said friend who gives it to me. So I got the WW (Wonder Woman, not White Widow) sprout in a coffee mug the day before Thanksgiving Nov 23th 2009. She was germed maybe 4-5 days earlier. She has been nothing short of extraordinary in growth and vigor, until recently, more on that later. After getting this wonderful little sprout and seeing how fast she was growing, it really motivated my efforts in building a mother/clone cab. Which in-turn led me to going all the way and setting up a flower cab as well.

The Plan.
Grow mother and clones to keep 6-8 plants flowering. As well as Produce seeds. Grow area needs to be semi-mobile so that in case of emergency it can be evacuated and clean of any immediate visual modifications or signs of growing.

Soil, Scotts and Perilite
2gal 8.5” Square Pots for flowering.
FoxFarm Nutes & Solubles, Hygozyme, CloneX
Tap water aprox 7.2ph hits 8-8.2 after 24hr airing.

Flower Box
72” H X 46” W X 23” L.
600W HPS.
20 lbs CO2 tank.
Exhaust, 4” scrubber and 4” 170 CFM inline fan.
Intake passive, upgrading to a muffin fan or 2.

Mother/Veg Box
36” H X 46” W X 23” L half as tall as flower box.
1-2 mothers, 4-6 clones, 4-6 veggies.
600W MH
Exhaust, 4” muffin fan
Intake passive, upgrading to a muffin fan.



First, electricity, didn’t want extension cords running in and out of the coal chamber. Home Depot for romex, breakers and receptacles. Put a 15A and a 20A receptacle in the Chamber. Ventilation: Flower cab will exhaust through a “Y” at the dryer venting Using these really Cool Tamarak Dampers. The Veg box will exhaust directly into the immediate area. When $$$ permits, upgrading to 6” fan/scrubber combo for Flower box and installing current 4” fan/scrubber in Veg Box. Budgeting for a portable AC unit and dehumidifier for the summer months. Put a Pad lock on the chamber door, more for the curious then to really keep anyone out, wish I hadda couple Rottweilers.

Cabinets
Due to the size of the door that leads to the grow space there was a 23” size constraint. Need to be able to wheel out the cabs for cleaning, maintenance reasons and be able to remove them from the premises for whatever emergency reasons. Planned out dimensions for the cabs and then used Google Sketch to build a mock up. Now if you’re planning to do something like this I highly suggest you take the time to become somewhat familiar with Google sketch as it will take the guess work out of sizes, space and dimensions. I am not a carpenter, don’t have carpenter tools. Had to round up a circular saw from a friend. Oh and I had the large plywood pieces cut at Home Depot. So it was 12 cuts at 25 cents a cut, no big deal. However the guy doing the cutting wasn’t real precise. So once construction begins there were quite a few discrepancies on the plywood cuts. Nothing the circular and grinder couldn’t fix. Next step was to figure out how to get the flower cab sealed for darkness. I used ¼ sanded pine and that shits not to rigid, so there’s still some tweaking to do to get it totally light tight. Im thinking a drop down tarp on the outside and foam beading on the inside of the door. Still working out the kinks that pop up here and there.

Installation
SO far so good everything seems to be coming together according to plan MUAHAHA. Except my clones.






Current Plants and genetics:
1, 2 month Wonder Woman Mother, grown from seed. Shes been through it all. Transplanting out of the coffee mug she came in was traumatic for the both of us. I put 9 tiny little MG time release fert pellets on the top soil at about week 3 and me thinks its been giving her talons ever since. Through my recent failed cloning attempts,12 cuttings total. I Uber lollipop’d her, was cutting to much off the lower branches, should have left more fan leaves on. First attempt of 6 clones, gelled the cutting and placed them directly into little dirt cups FAIL. Then the 6 cuttings for the prototype DIY aeroponics cloning tote FAIL. Didn’t seal the tote for light, those 6 clones wanted to grow but they just didn’t make it. Shes been a good mother so far but I did something recently and shes not to happy right now. We are still trouble shooting.
4 Northern Lights Nirvana seeds germinating. 4 popped in under 12 hrs germination, now they’re in the party cups. Still have 6 NL seeds left.
 

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SotaFats

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Current project, the latest version of the aeroponics Homer bucket cloner machine. What the hell do you call one of these? Switching everything from the tote over to the bucket. Gotta get the right “grommets”? for the horizontal pipes and one for the electrical cord. Suppose Ill bring a piece of the PVC to the store huh. Trying to avoid sealants. Got the Bucket with a couple coats of some black spray paint I had laying around. Then covered it with tons of duct tap. Pretty sure at this point the bucket can be sealed off from any light.

Current Project, Nurse WW mother back to her Healthy happy former self. WOW I just took some pics and it looks to me like a nute burn of some sort. Maybe the lights too close?
 

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SotaFats

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Current project, the latest version of the aeroponics Homer bucket cloner machine. What the hell do you call one of these? Switching everything from the tote over to the bucket. Gotta get the right “grommets”? for the horizontal pipes and one for the electrical cord. Suppose Ill bring a piece of the PVC to the store huh. Trying to avoid sealants. Got the Bucket with a couple coats of some black spray paint I had laying around. Then covered it with tons of duct tap. Pretty sure at this point the bucket can be sealed off from any light.

Current Project, Nurse WW mother back to her Healthy happy former self. WOW I just took some pics and it looks to me like a nute burn of some sort. Maybe the lights too close?
More pics of the aeroponics cloner, parts, intall, checking for water leaks.
 

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SotaFats

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Didnt relize how polite everyone is. Would like to get other ppls opinions comments and concerns on this so far.
 

SotaFats

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Got 50% germ rate so far, better then my 0% clone rate. So outta the first 4 germ’d got 2 to sprout. So I germ’d 2 more, which are slow, they’re cracked but no tap root after 24hrs. Heres the diff, after a 24hr soak in distilled water, transferred first 4 into a Chipotle napkin that looks as if it’s recycled, no bleach type material. Then the 2nd 2 I germ’d were put in a yellow Wendy’s napkin, that’s probably got all sorts of weird dyes and bleach residues from manufacturing. Im thinking in the future that those little peat pellet puck things are the way to go. I just dropped the last 4 seeds in the distilled water for a soaking; we shall see how they grow. Other then that the 2 sprouts are looking great. If all goes well and the Sensi Gods are smiling, would be nice to at least get a good mother and a couple gals that can flower all the way and a male for some seed production. Ill post pics of the sprouts once they start to fill out more. Wish me luck.

Oh and Wonder Woman is making a full recovery and we will be trying another 6 clones today. Shes one Hard Core Amazon!
 

SotaFats

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2 sprouts that are doin great. 2 germ’d seeds that should be poking through the dirt any day now, 4 more that are still germ’n and 6 clones that should do the trick. Only thing I’m kinda worried about is the mother, who is too big for the veg cab and might be to big to flower. Goin to try to keep her top nice and trim until I get some sturdy clones goin and maybe she wont out grow the flower cab once we hit that 12/12 switch. :weed:
 

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cloudyharvest

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how did you make the clone bucket any link? thanks good luck i am going to start the process hopefully tue from seed to flower i will try to keep up with ur grow!
 

SotaFats

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how did you make the clone bucket any link? thanks good luck i am going to start the process hopefully tue from seed to flower i will try to keep up with ur grow!

Thanks for stopping by CloudyHarvest. There are a number of instructions on the interweb, google diy aeroponics clone bucket.

Heres a quick breakdown of mine. Hope it helps.

Homer Bucket & Lid $3.50
ECO185 submersible pump $14.00
About 20” of ½ PVC
2 ½” end caps
½” “T”
19mm grommets (google)
6 red EZ Clone Sprayers (google)
3” of plastic tube, I don’t remember what size. It will secure to the attachment on the top of the pump and slide into the bottom of the vertical PVC. I just had some laying around.
Finally about 10, 2” neoprene inserts (google).
Spray paint
Duct tape
Vegetable oil

Tools,
Drill
Saw
1”spade bit
A super small bit, forgot what size, for making holes in PVC to screw in the sprayers. I brought the sprayers with to the hardware store to make sure I got the right size.
2” hole saw

Pretty simple. Insulate your bucket from light. Couple layers of spray paint and a ton of duct tape. Hold the bucket and lid up to the light to look for light cracks.

Then take your pump and and figure out how high you want the sprayers to be. Take your measurement and cut the vertical piece of PVC accordingly. Attach that 3” tube to the top of the pump and then slide the tube into the vertical piece of PVC you just cut. Now attach the “T” to the top of that. Should look something like the pics previously in my journal.

Now place all of that into the bucket and figure out where you need to make your 1” holes so that they line up with the horizontal outs on the “T”. Keep in mind that you have a little play due to the 3” plastic tube. Measure up the side of the bucket for both holes. Once you made your 2 holes in the side of the bucket you should be able to stick a piece of PVC through the hole into the horizontals of the the “T”. Now you can get the measurements for the 2 horizontal pieces, leave 2” extra to attach the end caps. Put the 2 horizontal pieces back throught the bucket and attach to the “T” and mark where you want the sprayers to be attached. Take the pieces back out and drill the little holes for them. Making sure to clean out any shavings. You can then use the 2” hole saw to cut the 10 holes in the lid, I only did 6, should have done 10. At this point get the grommets and slide them ontot he ends of the horizontal PVC pieces, this is where the vegetable oil comes in handy. Then slide the horizontal pieces back into place checking the fits on the grommets and bucket, might need more duct tape. Take the lid and thread the Power cord through one of the 2” hole then use one of the neoprene inserts to hold it in there. Pop the other inserts in. Add water and securely attch the lid plug it in and check for leaks, lets it sit for about 30 minutes or more. If ya got leaks patch em up with some more duct tape. Good Luck Im sure I forgot a something but its pretty straight forward once you get all the parts and tools. 7 day clone update on Wednesday.
 

SotaFats

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Yeah so shes feeling much better these days and is to big to put in the Veg Cab. So once I can successfully clone, she will be getting flowered. Just getting her ready for the 12/12. Even with the SC shes probably gonna over grow the cab.

So far 3 Northern Lights have popped outta the dirt. With 2 more on the way. Still gotta beaner that’s cracked but no taproot yet. So maybe 6 altogether, I can only wait and watch, sometimes I sing to them.

Wednesday will be 7 days in the clone bucket. FINGERs CROSSED!
 

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5 Sprouts in various stages. Cool to see how fast things happen at that level.

Clones are doing alright Been changing the water every other day.

WW mother is adapting and reacting quickly to the supercropping. Gonna post 4 stakes around her for future growth and weight.

YEAH ALMOST 200 VIEWS and one reply, Shout out to CloudyHarvest. Once I start Posting Bud Porn its gonna be like Mike Jones said, "Back then they didnt want me, Now Im hot they all on me"! LMFAO
 

cloudyharvest

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so my littlseeds from nirvana arent magicall yet ......fingers crossed.... congratulations on the sprouts . how and when to take clone advice? tomm i will build th cloner o and how to get pics up?.....thanks for all the help! "too growing healthy stable plants for all riu up users”.
 

SotaFats

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so my littlseeds from nirvana arent magicall yet ......fingers crossed.... congratulations on the sprouts . how and when to take clone advice? tomm i will build th cloner o and how to get pics up?.....thanks for all the help! "too growing healthy stable plants for all riu up users”.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html

I got allot of great ideas for cloning and grow from that thread. Gave me a better Idea for the clone bucket pvc. Im gonna make a new improved version of mine but no holes in the sides to support the horizontal pipes. Im just going to have it support itself inside the bucket. Read up very valuable info.
 

SotaFats

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Started 6 new clones. Have to keep my temps down this time. After I diped em in RootTech I let em sit for about 20min in the bucket no spray. Added CloneX to the res and it brought my PH from 6.9-7 to 6.5-6.6, so I like that it drops the PH like that. Will be changing the water everyday. Im going to see how they like it this time, I got HIGH hopes.

Sprouts are doin great. Ill post pics once they get a lil bigger.

Wonder Woman is doing great. Been giving her a 1/2 gal h20 twice a week and 1gal of nutes end of week. Another Flush in about a week. At least the cloning is keeping this mighty Amazon at bay. Everytime I cut a tittie off it grows right back.
 

SotaFats

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4 sprouts doing good.

6 clones see how we do. Its hard keeping the temp down.

Mother WW is doing good.
 

SotaFats

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One major thing that has been plaguing me while trying to clone is the temperature of the reservoir. At the peak of their 18 hr day temps will rise to 84F. That’s to damn hot. So after reading a small portion of this Thread Harvest a pound every three weeks! By StinkBud. Ive only read aprox 60 pages of a 520+ page thread, they discuss the need for a CYCLE TIMER, specifically this one CAP ART-DNe adjustable recycle timer w/day-night function. Which StinkBud advises to set this timer on your pump for 1 minute on and 5 minutes off, which doesn’t let the pump heat the reservoir up, he swears by this setting. The other thing is that StinkBud says that the 1-5 setting is good to just get the clone stems wet enough and the 5 minutes between sprays is enough time for them to dry out a little. Which makes them even more hungry for water causing them to grow roots faster. The unit is like $80 with S&H, so it’s a little spendy but worth it, local hydro store wants $100, and I cant find something that’s cheaper. At the moment I have my cheapy timer doing a 15/15 min on/off and its heating up the reservoir to much and the clones are losing the battle. So Im in the market for one of these and if your going to make a aeroponics clone bucket I suggest that’s the first thing you get.
 

cloudyharvest

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cloning...is what i figured was going to be the toughest situation...along with flowering smells......glad you got my back since ur doing all the r&d over there!! :)...any pics?
 

SotaFats

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I decided not to post pics till I got clone roots. Sprouts are doing good. WW Mother is going through her little wilting cycle, if she doesnt pull outta it by 420pm this afternoon Im gonna flush her. Ima go check out callingallcars and see what you got goin on.
 
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