Do I need to flush?

[burninjay]

oh and jerry how organic do you think you are when you have to water in your nutrients and deal with salt build up??? full o shit.

Hey did you ever figure out if cannabis is annual or 'deciduous'? I know you said it was both, but around here the trees don't die and fall down every year, lol, so it kinda has to be one or the other.
For being so hostile and emphatic about everybody else in this thread being wrong and 'douche bags'(gotta love namecalling), the only supportive information you give is self-contradicting. I can't speak for Jerry's feeding habits, but you certainly can't call my outdoor, unfed grows inorganic. There are no salt buildups op top of that mountain next to that stream, so you can't say the bud tastes like ferts. I grew 3 strains up there this year, and I cut them all at the same time. MK Ultra was one of them, but finished way before the rest. When I picked, the hairs were not just orange, but completely shriveled up to the calyxes. The leaves were still green.
I doubt you grow a better plant than nature dude. But of course as trolls will be trolls, you'll just say something else rediculous and call me a jerk-off or something.

And to answer a question asked earlier...
No, a plant left in 12/12 without being harvested will not just die if continued to be fed a balanced nutrient schedule. It will enter another flowering phase. The first flowers will yellow and brown eventually, but new flowers will grow as the first begin to decay.

 

[Cow Tea]

And to answer a question asked earlier...
No, a plant left in 12/12 without being harvested will not just die if continued to be fed a balanced nutrient schedule. It will enter another flowering phase. The first flowers will yellow and brown eventually, but new flowers will grow as the first begin to decay.

Nice I didn't actually think the answer was coming. So have you seen this happen before? I read a thread where the guy was saying that in his experience, if the female plant is left to overripe, the she will go hermie and make pollen that can be used to make fem seeds. If you have seen a second flower phase, does it really hermie?

 

[burninjay]

Ya, plenty of strains will turn herm if kept alive. And the resulting pollen could be used to make fem seeds. Keep in mind tho that if it was easy to make the parent change sex, than the offspring will likely be the same way. I tend to stay away from strains that turn easily.

 

[jakeman311]

always flush no matter what you use just because something is organic doesnt mean it cant build up toxic salts

 

[MrBaker]

always flush no matter what you use just because something is organic doesnt mean it cant build up toxic salts

Damn those bats for poisoning the ground with their toxic salts!?

The bacteria/fungi in the system can break down salts. Scenario: The plant is probably watered maybe 1 once a week, and fed every 2-3.
- I'd think those salts already being broken down and washed out for each watering w/ or w/o food.
- Also, just say feeding stops at 8 weeks of flowering for the plant, but regular water is still given for another 2, is that considered a flush even if its been the same watering pattern for months?

 

[Cow Tea]

always flush no matter what you use just because something is organic doesnt mean it cant build up toxic salts

Sorry man, but what you just said is pretty stupid. This would be suggesting that every naturally growing plant resides within naturally toxic salts. If this were true then theoretically every plant on earth must be flush to b healthy.

 

[aeviaanah]

burnin jay, in my signature there is a link to my current grow. if you or anyone else doesnt mind, please stop by and tell me what you think about how long i have left and when i should start the flush.

 

[jakeman311]

Damn those bats for poisoning the ground with their toxic salts!?

The bacteria/fungi in the system can break down salts. Scenario: The plant is probably watered maybe 1 once a week, and fed every 2-3.
- I'd think those salts already being broken down and washed out for each watering w/ or w/o food.
- Also, just say feeding stops at 8 weeks of flowering for the plant, but regular water is still given for another 2, is that considered a flush even if its been the same watering pattern for months?

Oh yes that is exactly what is considered a flush actually and should be done no matter what kinda fertilizer you use. It allows the plant to use up the nutrients in the soil as well as the plant itself, leaving a clean burning product at the end that doesnt taste bad or crackle when its lit.

 

[jakeman311]

Sorry man, but what you just said is pretty stupid. This would be suggesting that every naturally growing plant resides within naturally toxic salts. If this were true then theoretically every plant on earth must be flush to b healthy.

Oh and as for you cow tea I think it would be a good idea of you actually though about what you were going to say before saying it.. or typing it in this case. Or if you can do both at the same time that would be even better because you obviously have some trouble comprehending basic though. No body every said anything about every living plant on earth the discussion at hand was if you were fertilizing a marijuana plant on a regular basis should it be flushed and the answer is yes because there can become a build up no matter what your fertilizing with. Heck there is even some "organic" fertilizers that have been banned by the USDA because of toxic metal build up among other things.
But anyways If you dont believe me go get some "organic" fertilizer that contains Urea for instance (which is naturally occurring and organic ) and water it in to your plants (if you have any) on a frequent and regular basis and see what happens.
But I guess if every plant on earth was treated with fertilizer in the same fashion as Mj then yes maybe every plant on earth would eventually need to be flushed at some point. But until then maybe you should do some research or just STFU and let the pros handle questions Mr. Bullshit coffee or cow piss tea whatever your name was... feel stupid yet.

 

[JoeCa1i]

funny chit...Ok,so as soon as you see those pussy hairs change color,thats when you want to only give them water,no more nutes.You can also you finale phase,or clearex,too kick up the availability of the leftover nutes.It also brings out better flavor.

 

[Cow Tea]

Oh and as for you cow tea I think it would be a good idea of you actually though about what you were going to say before saying it.. or typing it in this case. Or if you can do both at the same time that would be even better because you obviously have some trouble comprehending basic though. No body every said anything about every living plant on earth the discussion at hand was if you were fertilizing a marijuana plant on a regular basis should it be flushed and the answer is yes because there can become a build up no matter what your fertilizing with. Heck there is even some "organic" fertilizers that have been banned by the USDA because of toxic metal build up among other things.
But anyways If you dont believe me go get some "organic" fertilizer that contains Urea for instance (which is naturally occurring and organic ) and water it in to your plants (if you have any) on a frequent and regular basis and see what happens.
But I guess if every plant on earth was treated with fertilizer in the same fashion as Mj then yes maybe every plant on earth would eventually need to be flushed at some point. But until then maybe you should do some research or just STFU and let the pros handle questions Mr. Bullshit coffee or cow piss tea whatever your name was... feel stupid yet.

Chill out, I didn't call you stupid. I just said that what you said was. I really don't see what the USDA's policy about ferts with metals has any relevance in this discussion. Those are banned because of the polluted environment of the fish that make the ferts, so they're not really organic. But I thought we were talking about salts. I don't use urea. Chicken shit creates salts when added fresh (or "hot"), but become safe when composted (an isolated CS compost will evaporate the ammonia with a week or two. I know my bat guano is safe, because bats piss is separate from their poo (no ammonia). My bone meal is safe. My compost is safe. Everything checks out, except Tiger Bloom, which I only fed with 3-4 times. Don't get so angry over a little debate.

I've already decided to just water normally from here on out. There's no need to condemn my harvest as a shitty tasting/burning smoke, I will let you know how it tastes/burns. But seriously, chill. I've been growing organically for a while, so I'm not an uneducated idiot. This just happens to be one of my first MJ plants. Normally I would mix in slow fert and interplant/rotate legumes to boost N, but growing indoors is a different game, so I still have a lot to learn/experience, but dont worry about my research. Just smoke.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Oh yes that is exactly what is considered a flush actually and should be done no matter what kinda fertilizer you use. It allows the plant to use up the nutrients in the soil as well as the plant itself, leaving a clean burning product at the end that doesnt taste bad or crackle when its lit.

Have you ever grown out unflushed bud and found this to be the result, or did you just hear someone else say it and think it must be true?

Why does the plant need to "use all the nutrients in the soil"? When a plant grows in the wild, or even in a hold dug in someone's backyard, does it use up ALL the nutrients in the surrounding soil right before it's ready to be harvested? I doubt it...

 

[SlikWiLL13]

ive always wondered why people think the status of the leaves affects the buds...do the buds change or yellow at all during your flush?? do the flowers see the leaves going down and say to themselves, 'jettison the extra nutes girls, were going down!" are crops flushed in the fields? tomatoes flushed in your backyard garden?.... no, no, and no.

 

[sambo020482]

lol im fairly new to riu but i read a shitload of threads and i spose arguments like this and that beerstalker guy are whats making lots of the more experienced users leave like i keep reading about,

i got 9 clones growing in bio-bizz allmix and using only bio-bizz nutes which i fink are organic? ive always flushed for a week b4 harvest, im gonna test one this time tho without flushing it n see what it tastes like?

 

[MrBaker]

Oh yes that is exactly what is considered a flush actually and should be done no matter what kinda fertilizer you use. It allows the plant to use up the nutrients in the soil as well as the plant itself, leaving a clean burning product at the end that doesn't taste bad or crackle when its lit.

I had to ask that question regarding the definition of "flush" because to me, a flush is meant to wash away whatever nutes/ions/whateva in the medium, so that theoretically the plant doesn't take up anything nasty tasting.

What if a gardener waters once every ~2-3 weeks, and gives regular water (or even saw WC tea to an extent) in between. Are those flushes in between? Would the plant be getting flushed during all waterings that didn't contain food? I'm sure you see my point there as to the definition of flush.

OK, I understand why the plant would eat itself (like fat ppl using up their reserves) if everything has been "flushed" out. My points of contention are that
1.) unless a gardener is experienced, and knows when a plant is going to finish, it's hard to time the last waters/feeding along with the senescence. I'm not taking any jab at your exp. level. I'm saying that if a plant is starved at the wrong time (ex. too early), then that can't be good for the final product/the plant.
2.) I maintain that a good, long dry/cure, along with a healthy organic system in the growing medium will eliminate any chance of bad tasting/ crackling product.

I'm not advocating feeding up until the day of "cut-down", because that seems like a waste of supplies (ex. too much goodness for the plant to take up) if the plant isn't going to eat the ferts. The last @ 2 (for example) weeks of plain water/wc tea enables the plant to eat up remaining nutrients. The same idea is true for "not feeding" every week during the life of the plant.

I've flushed (in order to wash away), and I've not flushed (which imo is still feed-break-feed). The only time it made a difference was during earlier synthetic grows.

Also, I can't think of a nutrient or chemical that would only be used up a by starve-flush, and not extirpated by some sort of a cure.

 

[Cow Tea]

The only way to resolve this is to flower some clones in organic soil w/ organic nutes and do a side by side comparison. Flush half and sample flushed and non flushed smoke during different stages of the cure. Perhaps I'll try it when I get my GHS Strawberry Haze mother set up. A very flavorful strain like that would be good for this type of comparison right? So shit, come back to me in a few grows and I might have an answer to this "organic flushing dilemma".

 

[thebeerstalkin]

Burning jay you suck at logic more than your advise. Pot is annual and deciduous idiot look it up or go to school. Cow Tea im glad you are going to try it yourself because its the only real way you'll know besides getting a bunch of random advise from people who just rely on hearsay from who ever has the most posts."1.) unless a gardener is experienced, and knows when a plant is going to finish, it's hard to time the last waters/feeding along with the senescence. I'm not taking any jab at your exp. level. I'm saying that if a plant is starved at the wrong time (ex. too early), then that can't be good for the final product/the plant. " That makes a good point, if you know what is in your soil and how long everything will burn and what exactly your plant needs, you can feed it with just water and it start getting yellow right before you cut it down.. perfect timing

 

[burninjay]

Pot is annual and deciduous idiot look it up or go to school.

There's the predicted name-calling. I did go to school, and I have looked these basic things up long long ago.

An annual plant typically dies after it's breeding season is over. Doesn't take back it's 'nutrient reserve' from it's foliage in preparation for winter. It just dies when it gets too cold.

A deciduous plant, which is primarily trees and shrubs anyway, does drop it's foliage at the end of the growing season and grows it all back at the start of the new growing season. No death occurs.

If I recall, the only advice I offered in this thread pertaining to flushing is not to intentionally yellow your leaves. If you did not over or underfeed your plants through the grow, and the leaves are nice and green and healthy, they should be able to keep their color through 2 weeks of water only.

This is where our opinions differ. I would harvest then, as surely after 2 weeks of plain water in an 'organic' grow there should not be any sort of buildup or 'nasty stuff' remaining to degrade flavor. According to your advice you would keep giving plain water beyond this point until the leaves get "nice and yellow". Now, once the leaves start to lose color at all, I think it's pretty obvious that they aren't building anything up anymore. To suggest a flush longer than 2 weeks may be required just for the sake of making them yellow seems silly to me(that was truly the only part of your original advice I was disagreeing with). And if you're growing in the earth and the temperature isn't too cold, you could be way beyond harvest time before the rest of the plant starts to die off.

I'm really not sure why my advice is so misdirected in your opinion, but i also am glad CowTea is going to experiment. I, for one, never trusted a word of advice I was given either by growers whose operations I have witnessed in person or on these internet forums. If any information that I was given seemed interesting, I would apply it in a controlled manner in a side-by-side grow to see if I felt it was good quality info. This is how I've learned to weed out the truly useful techniques from artificially hyped-up nonsense.

One last thought for Thebeerstalkin. I'm sure you realize this, but your words would carry more weight if you didn't come across as such an asshole. I understand that you might not care if anybody takes your advice, but then why bother defending it in the first place?

You could be telling this guy that a dollar is worth 100 cents, but as soon as you start calling people douchebags and idiots, it all kinda sounds like nonsense.

 

[Cow Tea]

I couldn't help but to look it up just to confirm what I already understood. Deciduous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deciduous?wasRedirected=true
Annual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_plant

 

[thebeerstalkin]

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