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Heads Up

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DST, from what I've read, some strains, especially those sativa dominant will drop their fan leaves regardless of what you do. I try to keep in mind each plant is an individual, just like us, and is going to do what it wants no matter what we do. I'm not going to crash and burn over a plant or two acting out, not when I have so many more beans just waiting to be planted. Time to give my babies another drink.
 
DST

DST

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Like you say Heads Up, I am not overly concerned, not when I see the bud and smell that is coming from it.....what was that famous Life of Brian Quote, "We are all individuals!"......
 
Drr

Drr

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The PK might throw the balance/ratio of nutrients off.. The balance/ratio is what we makes them grow nicely..

too much of one element can cut out another.. what are your numbers on the nutrients you use and the ones in the medium??
if you have 3-2-4 or something.. then the Pk makes it 3-15-18(at full strength) way off IMO even if the N was 5 to start with.... (not trying to attack you in anyway my friend just trading opinions) plus the nutes in your soil.. even further out of wack as the plants feed over time.. The N might even be sucked dry over that time also...

and information is needed to troubleshoot since there could be many many things.. it could be a micro element.. PH (at certain conditions which will show as a def), N def, etc.. alot of things are tied together in the plant system..

DST - have you ever tried going to harvest without the pk??? if so do the leaves still fall?? at the same time or earlier? later?

I agree that when the plant is nearing it's end it will drop the leaves(especially while the final water flush/nutrient leach).. but not prematurely.. plus leaves are the solar panel power plants that supply the bud production.. you want them as healthy for as long as you can.. But I also believe it takes alot more N in flowering then people believe.. It takes just as much if not a bit more of N in flowering then vegging.. too many people leave it on the back burner and concetrate on P and K. I read the amount of phos used isn't a huge amount... not nearly what most think..

There's no reason for it to drop the leaves unless it can;t use them anymore.. which means it can't sustain itself on what it has.. and it has begun to self sustain by eating itself..
 
DST

DST

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So heres the line up:
BN Grond NPK 5-2-4 (pic on previous page - also recomend to used pk 13/14 during flower - but it's in dutch, but you can see the 13/14 written on it)
coco base in pot
soilless mixture NPK 14-16-18
And of course the PK 13/14.

First off, no worries at all bru, not taking it as an attack, I like the discussion.
So the PK throwing off the ratio. ratio of Grond to PK to mix was 10:1 end of first week of flowers showing, then increased to now (last feed) at a 5:1 ratio/ litre of water used. will try to work out npk tomorrow morning, after midnight here..
I also use a product also in the ecostyle range that I mix with the soil that has micro organisms, contains calcium and magnesium as well. All the plants are on the same regime. some are only in coco, but the others in the soilless mix and coco bases are all fine. It's mainly just these two plants....I will post a pic of the plants. But you can see the Casey Jones from a few days ago...not exactly something to worry about. will get more pics for everyones views asap.

I have never grown this type of plant so wouldn't know if I hadn't used the pk if the leaves would have remained (perhaps next grow) I have only used pk the last 3 grows and have been really happy. Before that I used Plagron bloom only during flower. I alwys see leaves go from plants throughout all my grows. Some plants more than other. This is just more.....will see what happens over the next few feeds. Will keep you posted.

Cheers,

DST
 
Solcyn26

Solcyn26

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DST said:
Here's the last pic of it. As you can see. still not too bad.
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oh shit.."please give me more n daddy" thats what shes saying...lol...she loooks healthy tho..just give her a dose of her favorite veg nutes only, no additives just for this feeding..then sit back and watch her turn green
 
justlearning73

justlearning73

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SOURD I use T-5 5400. I have 4 or these lights right now for 5 bagseed plants. I am coming up on a week. No real stretching for the lights. So so far so good.
 
DST

DST

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I use a 300w cfl 6400 for veg tent.

I aslo have a 400w MH which is in my flower space for a few weeks to begin with.

Ok, pics will come today. That pic has hps light shining on it, it isn't that yellow, honest!! haha.
 
DST

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Ok, so I couldn't be ersed moving all my plants to get both of them out so the one closest to the exit is the topic here.

As you can see, not quite as yellow when you don't have HPS light shining on it.





As shown it is mainly the leaves on the lowest part of the plants that are going. None of the leaves around the buds or higher up are showing any sign. When I think back this probably started happening when I removed the MH 400 and replaced with the HPS 400......

Man this is actually the stinkiest plant in the grow room at the moment. It smells amazing!! Really can't wait to compare it to the Casey Jones I am smoking at the moment.

So calculation my npk ratio calculation is
5 - 4.6 - 6.8

Based on the 5-1 ratio of Grond to PK.

Reading around (also on other sites) some people are cutting N completely in Flower, and are getting excellent results.

I have no fear of this plant producing some amazing bud based on its state and smell....so IMO, loosing some leaves to yellowing (even between week 5-6) is not the end of the world. I am almost tempted now not to change the nutes on it and stick to adding pk13/14 (just based on the smell I had this morning (and those buds do look fine, Calyx's swelling up nicely on closer inspection......perhaps I could change this for one and not the other CJ to satisfy opinions?

OR/ may be I am just kidding myself, hahaha. The proof is in the smokin I guess.:mrgreen:
 

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Don Gin and Ton

Don Gin and Ton

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looks fine D, i wouldn't worry too much bout the yellowing but your feed is pretty low npk for 5-6 weeks in, im coming up to that time and at near double if not more the npk
 
mr west

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could be from b4 it was potted on could be the starvtion of a small pot and that yellow never comes back.
 
DST

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Don Gin and Ton said:
looks fine D, i wouldn't worry too much bout the yellowing but your feed is pretty low npk for 5-6 weeks in, im coming up to that time and at near double if not more the npk
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That is just the npk of what I add. The soil mix has slow release nutes at 14-16-18.

Heads Up said:
DST, it's a lack of nitrogen. When it starts at the bottom leaves like that pic shows.
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I think so as well.

mr west said:
could be from b4 it was potted on could be the starvtion of a small pot and that yellow never comes back.
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The clone went straight into the 4 gallon pot day I got it. It was never re-potted.
 
DST

DST

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that's the thing, she looks great, she smells great, the trichs are piling on and the calyxes are fattening up. she is doing everything you would expect her to do....What concerns me is I start adding extra N or changing it up for the last month, and this makes it worse......

I look back at advise I give people, and it's always, "stop worrying about leaves turning yellow on the bottom of your plants when at this stage of flowering"...and here I am getting concerned, haha. The search for perfection eh...
 
1badmasonman

1badmasonman

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Very intresting topic. But hey im still learning here so ill just sit back for a minute. DST your still gonna have some killer smoke bro. I see your dilemma though good luck.
 
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