The Amsterdam Run

pompel

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Greetings, fellow growers!


First, some tedious trivia: I started growing a couple of years ago, in a home-made hydro system. Typical closet-grow, lots of mistakes, nail-biting and finally out-of-this-world overjoy when the first joint (Nirvana's NL X BB) was lit, and... YES!, you're stoned, it works! I think that you all remember how it felt like being God for one second. Or I'm just suffering from grand illusion. Anyways, I was hooked and made a five-step plan to get me the hell out of this dreary, atomistic and banal society that is becoming increasingly suffocating and ... painfully middle-brow.
So, first step done (just get growing already, damn it!) Step two: expand! This time I settled in a tiny flat and set up shop in a 135 cm x 420 cm (4.5 x 14) room, 2/3 for bloom and 1/3 for veg. Again home-made, and it all went quite not-so very well, actually. Lots of problems with heat, ph, deficiency-symptoms, spidermites, disease, root rot and ALGAE! Argh! How I truly and deeply hate algae! Worst of all, the taste was... not quite there at all yet, let's put it that way. With the tiny outcome I invested in 3 panda systems from GHE, assuming this would address the problem. Things lightened up a bit, in the sense that all the problems were moderately reduced. Except the taste. OK, and the spidermites (foilar regularly with neem-oil 'til 5th week). The annus horribilis (or The Plant-Holocaust, if you like) finally came to and end last summer, and according to plan I was supposed to be loaded with cash, ready for investing in a hyper-modern, state-of-the-art, high-tech, computer-controlled automatic-feeding hydro-system. That was very, very far from reality. Which was that I barely scraped together enough to get to where I was going, but with very little to get going with. BTW, moving a smelly and heavy hydro-system in the middle of it's cycle into a suburban neighborhood was something I imagined was going to be very dodgy and nerve-wrecking, and I was so right. Anyways, I had a clone-tent and one XXL-tent from Homebox, and approx 10 m2 (110 sq ft) of grow space. So I discarded most of what I thought I knew, and began anew. Approaching horticulture from a different angle, trying to conceptualize the plant as a living part of a living eco-system, hoping to achieve the best tasting bud and the best high and not just the largest yield (but that's OK too!), reading lots of literature (including this most exelent site)... I finally arrived to this conclusion: organic soil with a comprehensive and diverse bacteria and fungi culture, . And no!, though this all sounds very... new agy, I'm not a tree-hugger (but, not a tree-hater either). I still have a lot of work to before satifaction can be claimed (and most importantly, investment funds).
This autumn the panda's oozed their last algae-stinking breath, and were stashed away forever (or until someone buys them). They left me with currency to buy a new XXL-tent, lights, the rest of the stuff needed to grow in soil, and a trip to Amsterdam with my girl during the cannabis cup, enjoying a healthy overdose of fine ganja, and acquiring plenty of new strains (long overdue, since succeeding in leaving my Master Kush and White Rhino without daughters, and stuck with Double Dutch for the last 2 grows, and I still am! - 4th and final). A fine smoke, but tolerance-levels were reached too long ago... or so I thought, until I smoked the first dry samples of soil-grown bud (a week ago). Totally different experience, I can vouch for that. A whole range of new smells, the ashes were light-gray (and not black), no sore throat and it burned evenly. So right now I'm pleased with the initial results.
Anyways, let's get going with my first grow report!

These are the 12 (with germination rates):

Amnesia Haze (fem) - Soma 4/5
Cannalope Haze (reg) - DNA 5/5
Cannasutra - (fem) - Delta-9-Labs 5/5
Chocolope Haze (reg) - DNA 6/6
Hawaii x Maui Wowie (fem) - Nirvana 5/5
Hawaiian Snow (fem) - GHS 4/5
LA Confidential (reg) - DNA 2/6
PG-13 (reg) - TH Seeds 10/10
Purps (reg) - BC Bud Depot 11/11
Sour Diesel (reg) - Reeferman 6/10
Super Silver Haze (fem) - GHS 1/5 (argh!)
The Ultimate (fem) - Dutch Passion 4/5

If anyone has grown one of these strains before, any information and advice is most welcome. Some of them I've wanted to grow for a long time, while some were bought spontaneously in Amsterdam after I tried them (ex Hawaiian Snow and Amnesia Haze, which became our favorite. And we tied a lot. During the first 24 hrs 13 strains was smoked, reviewed and considered. Yes, I know, it is hard work.)
Due to limited grow space, I've cut this grow in two phases: phase one began with Amnesia Haze, Chocolope, Hawaii x Maui Wowie, Hawaiian Snow, Super Silver Haze and The Ultimate at beginning of December. Germination rates were satisfactory, except the SSH by GHS. 1 out of 5! I can only blame my own stupidity, as Shantibaba's SSH from Mr. Nice was easily available in Amsterdam. The last five; Cannalope Haze, L.A. Confidential, PG-13, Purps and Sour Diesel were repotted earlier this week into 1 L pots after 14 days under t-5's, 34 out of 42, which is as expected. They are now under 400w MH.
I noticed that the PG-13 and Purps seeds were absolutely huge (the biggest I've seen), and they germned very quickly. L.A. Confidential and Sour Diesel were tiny, and delivered late and poorly. Just stating a fact...





As for grow medium, I'm still feeling my way to a satisfactory mix, but this is roughly it:
  • 70% Biobizz Allmix or 50% quality soil (trying out some local brands; heavy and incl. bacteria culture)
  • 10 – 20% perlite
  • 10 – 15% Biobizz worm castings
  • 5% Biobizz pre-mix
  • 10 – 20% cow manure compost
  • GHE Mineral Magic, beneficial fungi/bacteria

Same thing goes for nutrients and additives:
  • GHE Biosevia Terra
  • AN Grandma Enggy's Seaweed Extract, Humic and Fulvic Acid
  • B.A.C. PK Booster, Root Stimulator, Bloom Stimulator, The Final Solution, Pro-Active
  • Blackstrap molasses
  • Superthrive (in veg)
  • … and soon probably Guano

    I foliar regularly 1-2 times pr week until 5th week of bloom
Instead of a continuous grow report from the start, I've decided to give a summary of the first 7 weeks. Most of the action and fun is in bloom, and the plants are now 6 days into 12/12, under 2 x 600w HPS in a Homebox XXL.

BTW, the reference to days in 24/0 is a bit misleading, as I did not include the 12 days prior from seed under t-5's, so total time from seed until flowering induction was 43 days. I started with 29, 2 were hermies (Cannasutra), and one male Chocolope.


Here's a summary in pictures (included some Magus Genetics' Double Dutch):
 

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pompel

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Yes, hello!

OK, just posting an update of this run.
The girls are now fininshing their first week in bloom, all have begun flowering, and looking good. Unfortunately, another Cannasutra turned out to be a hermie, that's three out of five. Very dissapointing.
They have grown quite a bit this week, and I had to move four of them into my other XXL-tent, where Double Dutch is in the last two weeks before harvest.
Thanks for the feedback, cutman! Your girls look great! Is this your first grow with Hawaiian Snow? Do you recon it needs 14 weeks before fininsh?

Top of my to-do list is a new Homebox XL (120 x 120 cm/4 x 4), so that I have space enough to repot the second run from 1L to 3L. Planning to veg them for... about two or three weeks more.
OK, here are some pics of the girls.
 

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pompel

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Hello!

Posting an update of this week's run. Everything is going along alright, still managing to keep the 7 strains in 12/12 at controllable height. I was a bit worried about the purest sativas, particularly since they are from seed, and therefore reaches bigger size than clones. The only drawback is that two of the Amnesia Haze's turned out to be hermie's. Slightly disappointing, as Soma personally vouched for them when I bought them at the Cannabis Cup...
My skepticism towards feminized seeds has not lessened during this grow, as I had three out of five hermie's with the Cannasutra's, and now two out of four with the Amnesia Haze. Still, the other feminized plants in the run have shown no hermie-tendencies, so I guess it's down to the different methods of feminizing seeds...
Most of the girls started flowering within 3-4 days of 12/12-induction, except the one Hawaiian Snow that I cloned, of course! Speaking of clones, I have now repotted them to 1L pots, and will keep them in 24/0 until the ones in flower show's their potential. If any of them are exceptionally good, I'll keep them.
The strains in phase two of the run have now been repotted from 1L to 3L, and are approximately 15-20 days from 12/12. I'm planning on working with three of the strains; PG-13, Purps and Sour Diesel, but it all depends if I get a HP13-pheno from the PG-13. If I do, the cross I'm planning will probably be ready next spring. Way to short, but I'm moving on next summer with other things, and want to make a shot at it.

OK, finishing off with some pics of the progress, any comments/questions/critique is most welcome.
 

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pompel

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Hello people!

Yes, the girls are now in their third week in 12/12, and some of the strains are showing nice flower-formation, just wanted to post some fresh pics.
Harvested the Double Dutch (Magus Genetics) yesterday, fourth and final grow! Still have to smoke it for another... oh, eight weeks... God, how I desperately want to smoke something different!
Anyways, since I harvested them, it gave me some much needed grow space, it was getting very crowded in my other XXL-tent. I will post some pics of Chocolope Haze and Hawaiian Snow tomorrow, as they are in darkness right now.
After the first two weeks in 12/12, I started to give them bloom-feed (GHE Biosevia Bloom) and liquid guano rich in phosphorous, and I foilar-feed them twice a week.
Well, I think they look pretty good, what do you think?
 

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pompel

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Hi, there!

Nothing much today, posting a bud pics of Chocolope Haze and Hawaiian Snow, day 20 12/12. I've gotta say that, considering trichomes, the Chocolope has is the most impressive so far. But Hawaii x Maui Wowie, the Ultimate and Cannasutra are closely behind. Amnesia Haze, Hawaiian Snow and Super Silver Haze are very sativa-dominant strains, so I guess the lack of abundant trichomes is natural...
I'm really starting to get exited about the grow, they look quite healthy, which is priority nr. 1, IMO.

Thanks for the comment, tense360. Yeah, I'm very curious about the Ultimate myself, still early, but the buds looks very promising. Hopefully I've got co2 installed in a couple of weeks, that will give them a boost, I hope.

Setting up a Homebox XL-tent the coming week, the second phase plants needs a weeks boost of HID-light before 12/12, doing a post about it then.
 

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L.A.RAIDER

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Hi, there!

Nothing much today, posting a bud pics of Chocolope Haze and Hawaiian Snow, day 20 12/12. I've gotta say that, considering trichomes, the Chocolope has is the most impressive so far. But Hawaii x Maui Wowie, the Ultimate and Cannasutra are closely behind. Amnesia Haze, Hawaiian Snow and Super Silver Haze are very sativa-dominant strains, so I guess the lack of abundant trichomes is natural...
I'm really starting to get exited about the grow, they look quite healthy, which is priority nr. 1, IMO.

Thanks for the comment, tense360. Yeah, I'm very curious about the Ultimate myself, still early, but the buds looks very promising. Hopefully I've got co2 installed in a couple of weeks, that will give them a boost, I hope.

Setting up a Homebox XL-tent the coming week, the second phase plants needs a weeks boost of HID-light before 12/12, doing a post about it then.


How is THE ULTIMATE lookin / is there any way you can update us on how they are doing ? and any pic's would be very nice to see.
thanx
 

pompel

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Hello, tokers!

Got my new Homebox-XL tent up and runnin' yesterday, finally the phase II plants can get some much needed HID-lighting, so posting some pictures of that.
Here are my impressions so far:
- Cannalope: as expected (from what I've heard), looks like it's gonna be branchy, listed as sativa, but looks like a bit of indica in there? And: will it finish in eight weeks? I remain to be convinced...
- Purps: probably the most uniform plant that I've ever grown, they pretty much all look the same: virtually no side-branching, this girl wants to form one massive bud, it seems. Hope that HID-lights will encourage some side-branches, or it will be difficult to clone...
- L.A. Confidential: poorest germination ratio of the plants in phase II, as you can see one is short, the other is even shorter. I really, really hope they're girls!
- Sour Diesel: the version from Reeferman was pure intuition, as this is a new cross from him (the last one was inbred using a Hindu Kush (I think), while he has used a Super Silver Haze for this one. The BC Bud Depot had nothing but good things to say about it, so I took a chance. Definitely the most sativa of the bunch, looks good.
- PG-13: read about the HP-13 in the Cannabible, and the way he raves about it, I got curious... Then I found that TH Seeds had crossed it with a G-13, and the thought of finding a HP-13 pheno motivated me to give it a try. How the hell I'm supposed to know what it looks like or how it tastes are problems postponed to the future. Please accept the mystery.

Also posting some pics of the clones taken about three-four weeks ago. I found that the Ultimate, Hawaii x Maui Wowie and Cannasutra were easy to clone, while Chocolope and Hawaiian Snow are fickety as hell. Chocolope has no interest in growing, it seems. I did have surviving clones from Hawaiian Snow, but as the mother in 12/12 still hasn't flowered, I threw them away... (the ones I did not clone, are in full flower, of course!). Two of the Amnesia Haze's I cloned turned out to be hermie's, but the one girl I kept seems fine.
OK, some questions about the Ultimate; I'll post some bud-shots from today, but there hasn't really been that much of a change the last three days, ha ha! Posting a more extensive pic-series over the weekend.
 

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pompel

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Hello, people!

Things are going quite well, the only problem I've had is slight under-watering, as over-watering has been a bit pathological obsession, trying to avoid over-watering. Seems that every grow book I've read underlines that one of the biggest mistakes for newbies in soil is to much water, and that kinda stuck... I now give them about 2 liters (1/2 gallon) in every three instead of four days, seems to help.
Posting some bud-shots again, they are getting frosty, and their frostiness is equivalent to my state of happiness. Must admit that I'm getting higher expectations... Must! Not! Jinx!
In the one XXL-tent I've placed the Chocolopes, Hawaii x Maui Wowie, the Ultimates and one indica-dominant Cannasutra. In the other XXL-tent I've grouped the more sativa-dominant girls (except Chocolope).
Lots of work today with re-potting, going to put some of the strains in phase to into 12/12, posting an update on that tonight or tomorrow.
Hope you can all enjoy a big, fat joint today!
 

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angler45

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the ultimate is looking very nice. I'm growing the Ultimate also and I'm about 3 days behind your flowe cycle. I changed to 12/12 on Jan. 20th, but looks like you are a little ahead on bud growth than I am. I saw you had markers next to your plants showing height in metric. What height are those girls. Mine range from 51 to 42 inches. Also it looks like you only topped once as i did. Keeping a close eye on you journal since you are growing the same strain as me, and this is my first grow. Hopping to pick up pointers out of your jounal. good luck, and look forward to more pics.
 

pompel

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Fellow drug addicts!

Posting a few pics from the run, today the plants in my XXL2-tent, here are the sativas! Not... to much exiting to tell, as you can see there is huge differences between the Hawaiian Snow pheno's, wondering if there is any point in keeping two of them. The same goes for the Super Silver Haze, my patience is running low on this one. Pathetic bud-development.

Hi, Angler45, thanks for the feedback. My Ulti's are about 70 cm, that's ca 2 feet/25 inches. I was a bit concerned regarding the height-issue this time (with a large variety of strains), and forced flower with good margin. Also, I use huge amounts of kelp, both soil-feed and foilar-feed. Due to it's quantity of cytokinins, kelp stimulates branchier and bushier plants. Looks like the Ulti's have stopped stretch, producing bud only. Best of luck with your grow!
 

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angler45

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thaks for the kind words. Since this is my first grow, do tou mind if I plug your brain a bit for suggestions. I really would like to compare the two ultimate grows. The real fun will be the smoke reports. If i can get photos uploaded I would really like to hear what you think. continued best luck with all your ladies.
 

pompel

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thaks for the kind words. Since this is my first grow, do tou mind if I plug your brain a bit for suggestions. I really would like to compare the two ultimate grows. The real fun will be the smoke reports. If i can get photos uploaded I would really like to hear what you think. continued best luck with all your ladies.
Of course, I will do everything I can to help. That said, I'm fairly new to soil, only my third grow, so I'm far from experienced. I'm considering doing the Ultimate in a SOG-grow, but not in the mood to water 60 pots every second day... we'll see. Very easy to clone, big + IMO.
 

pompel

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You're girls are looking fine, angler45, vigorous and healthy. Hope you have ventilation on the lower canopy... post your pics whenever you want.
 

angler45

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hopefully these pics are a little better. starting to see some nice bud growth. one question, when are you supposed to count the flowering length, from when 12/12 starts or first emergence of bud growth?
 

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pompel

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hopefully these pics are a little better. starting to see some nice bud growth. one question, when are you supposed to count the flowering length, from when 12/12 starts or first emergence of bud growth?
Yes, those buds are on the way! I always count from true flowering, because the strains differ when it comes to when they start. Also, clones will flower faster(usually), mature plants of course, and the stoner behind the wheels is also a significant variable, he, he.
Your plants look good, but if those lower branches does not receive any significant light, you might just cut them off, as they hinder good air-circulation...
 

angler45

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Yes, those buds are on the way! I always count from true flowering, because the strains differ when it comes to when they start. Also, clones will flower faster(usually), mature plants of course, and the stoner behind the wheels is also a significant variable, he, he.
Your plants look good, but if those lower branches does not receive any significant light, you might just cut them off, as they hinder good air-circulation...
question abou cutting off the lower branches. Will this cause any stress to the plants this far into flower? As of circulation, I have a passive opening on the bottom of the tent, a big oscilating fan, and a 464cfm inline fan pulling from my filter. Is this enough circulation? Enough on my grow, how is your ladies doing?
 
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