Root Clone Test - pictures

can.i.buz

can.i.buz

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I've been doing this for years with onions, green, red, yellow, etc. When you cut off the end with the roots, you just break it up into as many pieces as you want onions and stick them in the ground. In a few weeks, you have more onions. After reading this thread, I broke one up into each single root to see what that would do. I'll let you know in a few weeks. I may try this but with cloning, I always have more than I need.
 
Hobbes

Hobbes

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Nothing to report yet, as I said in my first post it takes forever and is worse than watching sod grow. All of the roots look healthy, the bubbler roots are crisp.

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I'm running another root experiment and although it has nothing to do with cloning, I though some of your might find it interesting. I'm converting my 5 gallon buckets into air pruning pots, my first design is below and I'm building the 2.0 version tonight - using a jig saw to cut out most of the middle of the bucket (leaving 3 or 4 vertical strips of bucket sides) and fitting in a rigid metal screen (1"x1" holes) like is used in scrog. I'll line the metal screen with the fiberglass screen from above to keep the mix in, probably double wrap the screen. I'll post some pics in the Air Pruning Pot thread later, I'll keep this thread for root cloning as much as possible.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/303229-diy-air-pruning-pot-experiment.html

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I've been thinking a lot about developing a better root system, looking for bigger yields and perhaps better potency and quicker harvests. There are several commercial choices from porcipine like hard plastic wraps



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or a chemical paint, like Spin-Out, for the inside of the pots.



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I need a rigid bucket for low stress training, and I have a couple dozen 5 gallon buckets that I'd like to convert.

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1. Drill a 1/2" hole every 1" center. Drill a 1/4" hole between the 1/2" holes. I put pro mix in the bucket to make it more rigid and the drilling was much easier.









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2. I lined the bucket with fiberglass screen to keep the Pro Mix from falling out of the holes.



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The plant goes into veg for 2 weeks under a 150W HPS, I'll train the plant a bit each day and in two or three days the two stems will be bent in semi circles. Then I'll train the branches to grow up and it's a nice scrog style grow.

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I'll follow this plant through flower to see if it performs better than usual, after I harvest I'll check the root system. And post pictures of both.

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bongsmilie
 
Hobbes

Hobbes

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Those look great Don! What are their dimensions? Have you harvested a plant from one and checked out the root ball yet? Do you find that they dry much quicker from evaporation?

I've been wracking my brain about making one of those (I'm going to buy some as well) and was going to heat up a metal cone and push it into plastic buckets. The plastic smell would have been awful. I've been looking around Home Depot and other hardware stores for a plastic matt that I could convert to an Air Pot. I like that the pot directs the roots to the air hole and has less area open for evaporation than my pots.

Please post some pics of the roots and a review when you're ready. Thanks.

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bongsmilie
 
Don Gin and Ton

Don Gin and Ton

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cheers hobbes man! no this is my first run through with the airpots. sadly due to late herms ill be chopping them a touch earlier than id like but ill be posting rootball pics over the weekend.

as for drying quicker id say a little but not that much, thay are a bitch to water tho i was considering putting a piece of plastic tubing in when i run through next like you see in plants in offices etc.

top watering is a slow messy process... i found making a bowl shaped well in the top easiest.

the pots i got are:


Litres – 5
Diameter (mm) – 190
Wall Length (mm) – 660
Wall Height (mm) – 235


good luck with the experiment man!
 
diet103

diet103

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I love what you guys are doing! Testing out new methods and sh??owing us what works best! WHat exactly does the air pots do? keep the plant from becoming root bound or what?

And really sorry to hear about the herms Don!! I really feel for you, had 2 different awesome strains herm out and screw over my harvest about 2 weeks ago, it was a sad day! Just had to say that cuz I know what you're going through!!! Never gonna buy fem seeds again, that's for sure. I'd much rather pull out full blown males early than beautiful buds with ugly dicks sticking out of them.
 
diet103

diet103

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Don Gin and Ton said:
exactly man i rarely buy fems if i can get a reg of the same. shitter bout your crop man, its always the supposed bitching strains that grow balls

airpots basically airprune the plant so the roots grow out rather than round in the pot

check this vid explains it better

http://www.airpotgarden.com/store/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=display&ref=airpotworks
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Oh I see! So instead of filling th pot with circling roots, the main root keeps growing outward bound roots, this makes sense. I may have to look into these. Is there a noticeable difference?

Ya it sucks I have quite a few fem seeds in my garden at the moment, so it's kind of like watching a bomb ticking that may or may have not been deactivated. We'll see when the time's up!
 
ONEeyedWILLY444

ONEeyedWILLY444

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Don Gin and Ton said:
cheers hobbes man! no this is my first run through with the airpots. sadly due to late herms ill be chopping them a touch earlier than id like but ill be posting rootball pics over the weekend.

as for drying quicker id say a little but not that much, thay are a bitch to water tho i was considering putting a piece of plastic tubing in when i run through next like you see in plants in offices etc.

top watering is a slow messy process... i found making a bowl shaped well in the top easiest.

the pots i got are:


Litres – 5
Diameter (mm) – 190
Wall Length (mm) – 660
Wall Height (mm) – 235


good luck with the experiment man!
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don they should sell a rubber mold that gos around the pots and fills in all the holes so you can just cover, water and let it drain for say 30 secs then peel off and repeat ....if that makes sense...it did to me:bigjoint:
 
Hobbes

Hobbes

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OneEyed Willy you just solved my problem, you're a genius!

Come watering time I'm going to put my Air Pruning buckets inside a bucket with no holes on the sides, water as usual, sit for a bit, remove the outer bucket.

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bongsmilie
 
dirrtyd

dirrtyd

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Hobbes said:
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OneEyed Willy you just solved my problem, you're a genius!

Come watering time I'm going to put my Air Pruning buckets inside a bucket with no holes on the sides, water as usual, sit for a bit, remove the outer bucket.

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bongsmilie
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Hobbes #5 and a #7 pot? I would like to try with one plant. Thanks for your response.
 
ONEeyedWILLY444

ONEeyedWILLY444

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Hobbes said:
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OneEyed Willy you just solved my problem, you're a genius!

Come watering time I'm going to put my Air Pruning buckets inside a bucket with no holes on the sides, water as usual, sit for a bit, remove the outer bucket.

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bongsmilie
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nothing says thankyou like a nice rep lol
its kind of obvious once you know the idea
 
Jester88

Jester88

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om of the oppinion that its the thought that counts lol.

hey hobbes umm ive noticed everyones buried there roots if there in the dark why not let some be exposed to the outer air and just buried..

could this help them want to make a new shoot??

im just thinking if the roots are to far underground they will see no real need to strive to make a new nodal shoot. let alone see the need to start producing the necisary chemicals to do it. in my experience this has to be helped along or enduced shal we say.

take grapevines for example although not working with root you can make new nodal sites by cuttig into the vine on an angle, and peeling a nit of bark... this has low succes in my experiences but every now and then when a calys is formed sometimes a neww nodal point and branch will eventually be produced. again very low sucess.

now as for these airpots
don
the tube idea was good though why not just set up a little drip system to the plants if you find keeping them damp hard.

and heres a question with the edges actually having hioles and places for air to enter i believe that it must be easier to take care of them that is you should be able to saturate the soil a bit more wouldnt you say as theres more places for air to enter. but like you said before the other is applicable to ie the water evaporates faster.

basically would you say saturation causes less problems in the airpots and possibly a revenue worth taking later in the plants life as theres always ar easily accessible??

if so this would be a very good idea for most noobs out there as overwatering to the point that the soil is completely void of air generally fucks with the plants and there growth.. and this may just well be the answer to al there worries as complete prolonged saturation of the soil would be harder to achieve.

hehe make them like the bubblebags cept in scales so you can controll evaporation rates and make complete saturation possible.
 
Don Gin and Ton

Don Gin and Ton

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diet103 said:
Oh I see! So instead of filling th pot with circling roots, the main root keeps growing outward bound roots, this makes sense. I may have to look into these. Is there a noticeable difference?
hell yeah there's a difference, full pic report i'll post in a separate thread or hobbes diy one later this weekend
Ya it sucks I have quite a few fem seeds in my garden at the moment, so it's kind of like watching a bomb ticking that may or may have not been deactivated. We'll see when the time's up!
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i feel for ya man, im the same tho im only a few days from 9 weeks anyway just sucks the big one when the smell n taste of the dope is so good. i might write subcool n tell him he needs to do some more back crossing hahaha me telling subcool he needs to up his game haahahahaha what a laugh.
ONEeyedWILLY444 said:
don they should sell a rubber mold that gos around the pots and fills in all the holes so you can just cover, water and let it drain for say 30 secs then peel off and repeat ....if that makes sense...it did to me:bigjoint:
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good idea if youve got plent room to work with i work in a tent and even reaching the back plants when their 6 ft is near impossible lifting it up to put a bucket under aint happening lol

Jester88 said:
now as for these airpots
don
the tube idea was good though why not just set up a little drip system to the plants if you find keeping them damp hard.
I have been thinking of this route a dripper would be a great system but its just a complication, if i was going to do it i might as well go hydro.

i dont find it hard keeping the coco moist at all really i water every other day so i can purposely let it dry to the point they drink all i give them and never have runoff
and heres a question with the edges actually having hioles and places for air to enter i believe that it must be easier to take care of them that is you should be able to saturate the soil a bit more wouldnt you say as theres more places for air to enter. but like you said before the other is applicable to ie the water evaporates faster.
yeah it has more hole but not that you could water through them their just big enough to put a pencil through.
basically would you say saturation causes less problems in the airpots and possibly a revenue worth taking later in the plants life as theres always ar easily accessible??
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not quite sure what you mean here jester!?
 
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