Coco Growers Unite!
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waz666
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Jberry's advice is right on, don't let the coco dry out, but don't water until your pots have lost half their weight. IT IS POSSIBLE TO OVERWATER IN COCO and it will cause all kinds of problems, remember your roots need to breath not drown. After many errors I don't even pick up my pots to judge the weight until the top of the coco is dry, then I lift them. Overwatering is almost as bad as underwatering, good luck
mex2425
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Hi jberry you helped me with aproblem a few pages back regarding possible co2 overdose.
I think you may of helped me with an issue with my leaves going dry and ultimatly killing my plants. it started with 1 now it has started on another. im having to feed everyday and the leaves are always dry and fragile(have pics if wanted). something i forgot to post back then is that i have spida mites. could this be why they are dieng like that?
Or something to do with heat being to high,
If anyone else also has any views on the issue, any help would be greatly appreciated.
LeeroySlim
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it's a little hard to measure the weight of my pots they range from 55litres to 70litres. so just on there own they way a ton dry. i did measure the run off after adding 1.5litres of water and about 50% came out, i think caz im watering every 4 hours im not giving it a chance to dry even alittle, ill try every 8 to 12 hours and see whats happens, but there looking great and growing fine.
what about before harvest do i still run standard chemical nutes right until the end?
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what about before harvest do i still run standard chemical nutes right until the end?
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jberry
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Hi jberry you helped me with aproblem a few pages back regarding possible co2 overdose.
I think you may of helped me with an issue with my leaves going dry and ultimatly killing my plants. it started with 1 now it has started on another. im having to feed everyday and the leaves are always dry and fragile(have pics if wanted). something i forgot to post back then is that i have spida mites. could this be why they are dieng like that?
Or something to do with heat being to high,
If anyone else also has any views on the issue, any help would be greatly appreciated.
man its hard to give a good answer without seeing the plant and knowing everything about what you have been doing and the environment of the plant and medium ect, but i can try to help....
spider mites are a really bad problem to have but probably not causing the problems i saw in the pic, but they could slow down plant growth and ruin a grow and i would take major extremes to get rid of them b4 your next grow.
it could be heat issues for sure, do your leaves have deep ridges?- that is usually how to determine if heat stress is a factor, (the leaves can reach temps 10-15 degrees higher than the temp of the room fyi.)
are you checking your ph? did you overdose with N ? is your medium drying out?
in my experience dry crispy leaves are from a nutrient overdose but there are some other things that could cause it.
aeviaanah
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hey jberry hows it been? harvest is near about a week away. im not as impressed with coco when compared with soil. if you remember i compared jack the ripper in both soil and coco coir from veg. soil plant has alot bigger nugs...more top colas and is more less susceptible to nute burn. again, i didnt use coco specific nutrients as this has a big part in final product correct? i also was not able to water as often as i would have liked to. i used 7 gallon pots and coco stayed wet till around day 7 which is when i would water again. i treated coco as if it was soil and this was a big reason why i think it didnt perform as well. come and check out the end product on all 3 strains i am growing (in sig). i also have bubba kush and super silver haze.
again, thanks for your help in the past. i am not sure if i am going to try coco again being that it is a pain in the ass to move pots to where i can over water and have an area for runoff. how did you accomplish this? every week i carryed all plants to bathtub and watered in there. had about 30-40 percent runoff. i used GH nutrients, mycorrhizae, humic acid, cal mag, and humboldt countys own snow storm. i watered with rain water all throughout flower.
again, thanks for your help in the past. i am not sure if i am going to try coco again being that it is a pain in the ass to move pots to where i can over water and have an area for runoff. how did you accomplish this? every week i carryed all plants to bathtub and watered in there. had about 30-40 percent runoff. i used GH nutrients, mycorrhizae, humic acid, cal mag, and humboldt countys own snow storm. i watered with rain water all throughout flower.
jberry
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some thoughts on why things went wrong:
-treating the coco as soil instead of hydro
-not nearly enough feedings for a hydro grow
-too big of pots for hydro
-ph and nutrient ratio most likely was getting off in between waterings
-not using coco specific nutes (coco lets off a lot of P and hogs calcium which could throw your ratios off if not considered)
im not surprised at the plant in soil doing better, because the plant in soil had the advantage of being treated as a plant in soil lol, and a constant food supply from the soil at the appropriate ratios, while the hydro (coco) plant was treated as a soil grow and probably used up most of the nutrients quite quickly...Now, if you were in a smaller container then it would have dried out much quicker, then you would have been able to feed, feed, feed, which is what you want when going hydro.
to deal with run off i have built 13 inch tables that hold flood trays... each trays drains into a 12" buckets which i empty by hand after every watering.
-treating the coco as soil instead of hydro
-not nearly enough feedings for a hydro grow
-too big of pots for hydro
-ph and nutrient ratio most likely was getting off in between waterings
-not using coco specific nutes (coco lets off a lot of P and hogs calcium which could throw your ratios off if not considered)
im not surprised at the plant in soil doing better, because the plant in soil had the advantage of being treated as a plant in soil lol, and a constant food supply from the soil at the appropriate ratios, while the hydro (coco) plant was treated as a soil grow and probably used up most of the nutrients quite quickly...Now, if you were in a smaller container then it would have dried out much quicker, then you would have been able to feed, feed, feed, which is what you want when going hydro.
to deal with run off i have built 13 inch tables that hold flood trays... each trays drains into a 12" buckets which i empty by hand after every watering.
jberry
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when reusing the coco i personally flush with a really low ppm (like around 300 ppm) for the last 3-5 days (or 3X the volume of the growing container all at one time)
if you arent reusing the coco, then you can flush with RO water or tap without worry about washing away your buffer and throwing ratios off and effecting your beneficial bacteria.
if you arent reusing the coco, then you can flush with RO water or tap without worry about washing away your buffer and throwing ratios off and effecting your beneficial bacteria.
bender420
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My results in a nutshell from my first grow ever which was in Botanicare CocoGro and Canna Coco. No difference at all between them.
Will most likely never use any other medium besides coco. I couldn't believe how fast it was to learn to grow in coco for someone who never grew a single thing ever.
Here are some pics from round 1 in coco, the big colas are of HG, I know it grew really well but the potency was garbage compared to OG's, so HG has been eliminated.
Round two in Coco with the Same OG from Round 1 and a Casey Jones.
12/12 on Day 26, I have a log going feel free to swing by to critique/teach/learn/chitchat
OG Kush
Casey Jones
Will most likely never use any other medium besides coco. I couldn't believe how fast it was to learn to grow in coco for someone who never grew a single thing ever.
Here are some pics from round 1 in coco, the big colas are of HG, I know it grew really well but the potency was garbage compared to OG's, so HG has been eliminated.
Round two in Coco with the Same OG from Round 1 and a Casey Jones.
12/12 on Day 26, I have a log going feel free to swing by to critique/teach/learn/chitchat
OG Kush
Casey Jones
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jberry
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bender 420, nice work buddy.... refresh my memory, how long/tall did u veg? looks like a good strain and a great job bro... i would be stoked to have a couple hundred plants like that in a sea of green for sure...
just one thing i noticed is that in the background of the first pic is what looks like some sort of nutrient problem on the leaves... Mg def.? Ca.? I cant tell from the pic but results can always be improved, even when they are good to start.
anytime i see a plant i like i always ask the person to share their methods if they dont mind?
just one thing i noticed is that in the background of the first pic is what looks like some sort of nutrient problem on the leaves... Mg def.? Ca.? I cant tell from the pic but results can always be improved, even when they are good to start.
anytime i see a plant i like i always ask the person to share their methods if they dont mind?
bender420
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Jberry, thanks for your kinds words man. You are one of great teachers, I don't mind at all, ask whatever you want man. What you see in the background on the first OG pic is the Himalayan Gold. HG ran into a bit of Mg and Cal issues right during the last week.
OG had no issues, besides slight nute burn which was taken care of very fast, but the HG always seemed to have metabolism issues during flowering and vegging.
No way man, I cannot grow that many plants, no intentions of going to jail for growing my medicine. The pic with huge colas in just one himalayan girl. I know it looks good and appealing but trust me bro, the smoke was just not that good, for someone else it might be but for me the pain killing properties were not there, the potency was literally trash. I enjoyed the OG from pic 1, 2 and 3 wayy more. The HG was made into hash and butter. and even the hash wasn't that good. On top of all that HG also hermied, also read of others folks whose HG hermied on them, although the pollen was very weak and didn't fuck it self of the OG.
My opinion would be to please stay away from HG from GHS, it is a big yielder but a weak strain. Also have been reading way too many issues with GHS genetics, hermie probs and high percentage of bad phenos, i walk in the opposite direction when I hear of GHS genetics.
I have replaced the HG with Casey Jones for round two. The CJ looks so much better than the HG did, way more frosty.
Here is the link to round one if you want to go back and check it out.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/262209-medical-grow-coco-1200w-himalayan-14.html
The link to my current OG and CJ log is in my signature. Hope to see ya there bro.
OG had no issues, besides slight nute burn which was taken care of very fast, but the HG always seemed to have metabolism issues during flowering and vegging.
No way man, I cannot grow that many plants, no intentions of going to jail for growing my medicine. The pic with huge colas in just one himalayan girl. I know it looks good and appealing but trust me bro, the smoke was just not that good, for someone else it might be but for me the pain killing properties were not there, the potency was literally trash. I enjoyed the OG from pic 1, 2 and 3 wayy more. The HG was made into hash and butter. and even the hash wasn't that good. On top of all that HG also hermied, also read of others folks whose HG hermied on them, although the pollen was very weak and didn't fuck it self of the OG.
My opinion would be to please stay away from HG from GHS, it is a big yielder but a weak strain. Also have been reading way too many issues with GHS genetics, hermie probs and high percentage of bad phenos, i walk in the opposite direction when I hear of GHS genetics.
I have replaced the HG with Casey Jones for round two. The CJ looks so much better than the HG did, way more frosty.
Here is the link to round one if you want to go back and check it out.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/262209-medical-grow-coco-1200w-himalayan-14.html
The link to my current OG and CJ log is in my signature. Hope to see ya there bro.
jberry
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yeah its rough to find a huge yielder that still taste, looks, and smells good... not to metion the type of high and flower time... sometimes even the veg time can be a deal breaker for me... hope the casey jones works out better... i forget who breeds that one, but its around here and there as a clone in the clubs, tell us if its a winner.
i bought "super lemon haze" and got 4 out of 5 to pop, but all were garbage phenos...
i bought a couple of "the church" and they were the only ones out of like ten strains to not germinate at all... im pretty over GHS myself!
although i did just get some ghs freebies from attitude last weekend.... bubba kush, kings kush, super lemon haze.
i bought "super lemon haze" and got 4 out of 5 to pop, but all were garbage phenos...
i bought a couple of "the church" and they were the only ones out of like ten strains to not germinate at all... im pretty over GHS myself!
although i did just get some ghs freebies from attitude last weekend.... bubba kush, kings kush, super lemon haze.
bender420
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It is very disheartening to end to putting in so much effort and money just to find out the end result wasn't worth it.
I use cannabis medicinally for pain and I was able to get them from a medical clone dealer who isn't around anymore, so I def go lucky because my Casey pheno seems like there is ~80-90 percent chance it is a keeper. It is too frosty to not have a good potency also it smells like dang grapes man, no joke, just like dark blue/black grapes.
If CJ is the same potency as the OG, not any less, then I will drop the OG, since the OG yield is a huge draw back for a personal medical grower like me who is super tight on budget/space/time.
Here is some more info on the Casey Jones from Ed's Big Book of Buds Vol 3
"Casey Jones combines an excellent sativa mother, a TrainwreckxThai with an outstanding male from Rezdog's Sour Diesel v3 line. The mother originated from Billy Goat Seed's Oriental Express cross. She has a very sweet flavour, and a heady trancendent high.
Adding diesel to Trainwreck suggested the Name Casey Jones , engineer of the most famous train wrecks of all time. the sativa-dominant Casey Jones strain has an amazing high. the plant varies slightly in structure, from Thai foxtails to Diesel plumes! It retains the short ripening time of the Oriental Express Mother, finishing in about 8 weeks. Casey Jones is not overly picky, suiting the novice grower as well as the sweet toothed connoisseur.
This Variety multi-branches well, especially when trained. She prefers moderate feeding and grows to a final hieght of 30-40 inches when forced to flower at 12-16 inches. When plants grown short with a single cola (SOG style), they yield an average of 1/3 to 1/2 ounce (10-14g). Grown large and trained, plants can yield up to 3.5 ounces(100g) each,
The Buds form like towers of calyxes, tight bud clusters, creating a looser cola, with colourful pistils that vary from orange to pink. The leaves have thin blades and stems may purple late in the flowering phase.
The Casey Jones flavour is a combination of the confection-like sweet Oriental Express and the citric sour of the Diesel. The high can be felt almost immediately and lasts about an hour and a half. This strain has an up effect with vividly trippy,thought provoking quality that can lead to mental wandering. Under its effects, one may feel a stronger sense of connectedness to self and others. Its good for creative activities that can benefit from an introspective mood and don't require intense right brain focus. Its less than ideal if you need to make plans, balance your checkbook or do other very linear activities. Go fly a kite, watch a movie, hike around in the outdoors, or engage in a little painting or other interpretive activity when indulging in Casey Jones. Do not drive a train!"
The sad thing is Casey Jones seeds are almost extinct, I say almost because I know a handful of people out there have some CJ beans and CJ males.
Also I know eventually there will be CJ Fem seeds made from Joe's Pheno.
On that note, best of luck to Shmoe and his family.
bender420
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I am not sure if your are talking to me. If yes then thanks, and my current log is in my sig.