New 2010: Best led grow lights on the market: Urban grower

pokesalotasmot

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Hmm. It's always nice to see the latest and greatest LED technology, but I can't help but wonder how much they're going to charge people for that light. :shock:

Plus, I'd love to see a side by side comparison of that LED light and a 600 or 1000 watt, and the amount and quality of bud from it. :hump:
 

marijuananation

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They are like $1600 US
But, when you factor in your savings on electrical and the fact that you never have to replace a bulb again, or run chillers and air conditioning units to cool your grow room. These lights do not dimm for about 10 years or so. this one LED Light is 327 Watts which is equal than a 1000 watts HPS, but much more effective.
Take this into account: hps light is like a generic version of nutrients, This specific LED light is like a very specialized plant specific set of nutrients..
I think these lights might just be the next generation of grow lights. If they would only lower the price of these by say $600 US or so, they would probably see a substancial boost in sales. and we would be able to see many more grows with people using these lights.
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Bulldog73

Active Member
Ok, I am interested in LED's. More specifically stealth grow led's. Anyone have any input on this subject?
Stealth LED panels from what I have read are a 3w version compared to most others being 1w. I am speaking as to the actual LED's themselves. So each LED is either a 3w or 1w LED. 3w LED's will be able to cast more light on lower parts of the plant. My concern is that as soon as your plant reaches 3ft tall, the only area getting suitable light will be the top. LED's and the Inverse square law don't get along well. Now that Stealth has a 3 watt LED bulb instead, maybe you will get more light on the bottom half but I have yet to see with my own eyes a crop done in or with LED's that can hold a candle to a crop flowered under HPS. I think that LED's are the future but I also think that the current versions are best used for growing fruits and veggies or just using to veg.

I talked to the rep at the LED company that makes the PowerPanel (300w LED panel). He was trying to get me to supplement my HPS with LED. For me, I just think the technology isn't there yet.. It will get there though in the next 5 years I bet...
 

T.H.Cammo

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- - - - LED's and the Inverse square law don't get along well....
"Don't get along well"? Surely you must know that they have nothing to do with each other.

The Inverse Square Law is applicable only to "Point Light Sources", that is to say, sources that eminate in all directions, equally. LED's are directional and therefore exempt! Well, not exempt, exactly, they're just subject to a different formula.

The distance over which an LED loses it's light energy is in direct proportion to it's "Projection Angle". Much like a "Spotlight" that can focus it's energy at long distances - as opposed to a "Floodlight" that throws light over a wide area, but looses strength quickly, over a short distance.
 

Bulldog73

Active Member
"Don't get along well"? Surely you must know that they have nothing to do with each other.

The Inverse Square Law is applicable only to "Point Light Sources", that is to say, sources that eminate in all directions, equally. LED's are directional and therefore exempt! Well, not exempt, exactly, they're just subject to a different formula.

The distance over which an LED loses it's light energy is in direct proportion to it's "Projection Angle". Much like a "Spotlight" that can focus it's energy at long distances - as opposed to a "Floodlight" that throws light over a wide area, but looses strength quickly, over a short distance.

Sorry I didn't specify: "Modified Inverse Square Law"..
 

hitman40

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When the led's get to 10-20w apiece then they will be useful but not affordable so come back in ten years and the led's might be affordable enough and strong enough to grow compared to the new digital ballasts and supulse digital bulbs. If you are serious about what you grow you won't be using led's anytime soon. I don't know why they are bothering to sell anything until they have something that is actually comparable I have done side by side with a 300w led unit and my trusty digital 1000w and 3k sunpulse bulb and it was almost a crime that I used the led unit just lost half a crop.
Hitman40
 
What i like most about the Stealth Grow LED is that it runs at a low temperature and is cool to the touch, perfect for a stealth grow cabinet or box, don't have to worry about fires or overheating. Also, I like that the Stealth Grow LED is like specific nutrients for the plants and not generic like other light sources. I also like that you don't need to replace bulbs and the Stealth Grow LED can last a lifetime, so if you are planning on growing for many years or life you'd save a ton on replacement light bulbs and electricity.

I am seriously thinking of getting one for my stealth grow cabinet, and if Urban grower says it's good and he can grow some bug buds with it, I'm getting one, I will wait another month or 2 to see what Urban Grower can do with the Stealth Grow LED and if he recommends it for big buds, I'll be sold.

Basically the only thing holding me back is that I've heard bad things of previous LED experiences and having small yields and tiny buds, hopefully this new LED technology is the future of growing and gives great results.

I'm excited about this one!!!
 

pokesalotasmot

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They also wanted to use two 180 watt UFO lights to replace my single 400 watt HID. This is the part I did not understand or agree with. Their website says a single 180 watt UFO can replace a 600 watt HID, yet they feel the need to double up in my grow space. This has always been my main issue with LED advertisements and literature.
I'm not sure that's ^^ convincing proof. LED's work ok, but they still don't outperform HID's, not to mention the $700 price tag for each LED unit.
 

marijuananation

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Here are the newest videos.

Update of my indoor + Episode #3 - seedling update !! Peace and Happy Growing !!

I hope you all enjoy them !!

Peace and Happy Growing !!


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Jogro

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They are like $1600 US
But, when you factor in your savings on electrical and the fact that you never have to replace a bulb again, or run chillers and air conditioning units to cool your grow room. These lights do not dimm for about 10 years or so. this one LED Light is 327 Watts which is equal than a 1000 watts HPS, but much more effective.
Take this into account: hps light is like a generic version of nutrients, This specific LED light is like a very specialized plant specific set of nutrients..
I think these lights might just be the next generation of grow lights. If they would only lower the price of these by say $600 US or so, they would probably see a substancial boost in sales. and we would be able to see many more grows with people using these lights.
The seller says they retail for $1600 US dollars, though that doesn't mean you might not be able to pick one up a bit cheaper than that.
He also claims that with electrical cost savings, heat savings, and not having to replace bulbs, the setup will pay for itself in two years vs. a similar HPS setup.

I think you have to take these claims with a pretty big grain of salt.

That two year number is making a bunch of assumptions about electricity cost, cooling/ventilation costs, and replacement bulb cost.

More important, there is a pretty big underlying assumption about yield parity. . .how many LED watts do you need to match an HPS watt to get the same yield?

Just because the salesman SAYS that his 327 watt LED panel matches a 1000 watt HPS, doesn't make it true. That parity number is absolutely critical, and I think the only way to know for sure is with a real world A-B test. Does he have the data to back it up? Lumen and PAR numbers on paper are one thing. . .ounces of dried bud are something else.

So without actual grow data, you really can't compare costs in a realistic way. Remember, even small differences in yield can make up for pretty significant differences in operating costs.

Next, the unit only carries a one year warranty, and that warranty does NOT include the LED's themselves. Lets say something goes wrong. Will the manufacturer of this LED panel even still be around a year from now to honor its warranty? Yes in theory, the LEDs should be able to run continuously for 50,000 hours (ie 5 continuous operating years) or more without dimming, but in practice, I think premature LED bulb failures are not unheard of.

Meanwhile HPS technology is time-tested. You know exactly how long your bulbs will last in the real world, the bulbs themselves are readily available, and anyone can easily change them. The same cannot be said about these LEDs. . .the diodes themselves aren't trivial to obtain or install.

My bottom line take on LEDs is that they're probably ideal for small stealth grows to minimize heating and ventilation issues, particularly if the grower has deep pockets and isn't concerned about startup costs. There may be other niches where the particular advantages of LEDs make themselves useful. For for big growers, the technology probably isn't mature enough to displace HPS lamps yet. Will it ever be? If costs come down enough, I'd assume they would, but that remains to be seen.
 

Dunecat

Member
They are like $1600 US
But, when you factor in your savings on electrical and the fact that you never have to replace a bulb again, or run chillers and air conditioning units to cool your grow room. These lights do not dimm for about 10 years or so. this one LED Light is 327 Watts which is equal than a 1000 watts HPS, but much more effective.
Take this into account: hps light is like a generic version of nutrients, This specific LED light is like a very specialized plant specific set of nutrients..
I think these lights might just be the next generation of grow lights. If they would only lower the price of these by say $600 US or so, they would probably see a substancial boost in sales. and we would be able to see many more grows with people using these lights.
KUSHIE KUSH 2nd GROW DWC PICTURES GALORE

327W LED more effective than 1000W HPS
Ha
Ha
Hahahaha

You are making LED's more credible as you speak

By sprouting all this bullshit, LED vendors have scammed a minority but severely undermined all of their credibility.Smaller yields, ludicrous prices and suspiciously short warranties tell me one thing about these LED's... stay clear...

Plasma is far more interesting. Also, 14 reviews of the 180W illuminator on prosource and they're all 5 stars? lol? Doubt it
 

merkzilla

Active Member
The seller says they retail for $1600 US dollars, though that doesn't mean you might not be able to pick one up a bit cheaper than that.
He also claims that with electrical cost savings, heat savings, and not having to replace bulbs, the setup will pay for itself in two years vs. a similar HPS setup.

I think you have to take these claims with a pretty big grain of salt.

That two year number is making a bunch of assumptions about electricity cost, cooling/ventilation costs, and replacement bulb cost.

More important, there is a pretty big underlying assumption about yield parity. . .how many LED watts do you need to match an HPS watt to get the same yield?

Just because the salesman SAYS that his 327 watt LED panel matches a 1000 watt HPS, doesn't make it true. That parity number is absolutely critical, and I think the only way to know for sure is with a real world A-B test. Does he have the data to back it up? Lumen and PAR numbers on paper are one thing. . .ounces of dried bud are something else.

So without actual grow data, you really can't compare costs in a realistic way. Remember, even small differences in yield can make up for pretty significant differences in operating costs.

Next, the unit only carries a one year warranty, and that warranty does NOT include the LED's themselves. Lets say something goes wrong. Will the manufacturer of this LED panel even still be around a year from now to honor its warranty? Yes in theory, the LEDs should be able to run continuously for 50,000 hours (ie 5 continuous operating years) or more without dimming, but in practice, I think premature LED bulb failures are not unheard of.

Meanwhile HPS technology is time-tested. You know exactly how long your bulbs will last in the real world, the bulbs themselves are readily available, and anyone can easily change them. The same cannot be said about these LEDs. . .the diodes themselves aren't trivial to obtain or install.

My bottom line take on LEDs is that they're probably ideal for small stealth grows to minimize heating and ventilation issues, particularly if the grower has deep pockets and isn't concerned about startup costs. There may be other niches where the particular advantages of LEDs make themselves useful. For for big growers, the technology probably isn't mature enough to displace HPS lamps yet. Will it ever be? If costs come down enough, I'd assume they would, but that remains to be seen.
Agreed, doing the math, even without factoring a 1000w actually may draw 1100w and taking efficiencies into account (30% hps 70% led), I'm getting 300w(usable) for HPS and 228w(usable) for led. Considering what the manufacturers say about power draw on led's is a little higher then what you actually get, you could probably bump down the led's even further.

Not exactly knocking LED companies, I've enjoyed panel so far, but as a consumer it is really annoying listening to claims not backed up by numbers. Also the no heat thing is silly. I have a similar model (mag+) in a tent with a fan and it raises the ambient temperatures by over 10f. As with anything, everyone wants your dollar and will try and say anything to get you to give it to them.

There are pros though, I like not having to worry about purchasing bulbs, less power draw, less cooling problems. For a personal grow, it makes sense to me.

Edit: I should probably also point out, I can't say I've seen anyone nail 1,000g on anything claimed to be equal to a 1,000w HPS. I've seen some 1g/w on LED and higher, but I think the proof has to be in the pudding.
 
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