help with regenerating plants

[orgnlmrwiggles]

this is the second harvest i've had problems with. My plant's lower bud sites start regenerating at about week 3-5. im asking for any ideas that might help stop this from happening.

600 watt hps.
temps : 55-75
humidity 45-78%

issues last time were in 3 gal soil and also on two out of 8 plants in a hydro ebb and flow.

this time its 6 in 5 gal soil.

i appreciate the comments and ideas. thanks

 

[WillMunny]

this is the second harvest i've had problems with. My plant's lower bud sites start regenerating at about week 3-5. im asking for any ideas that might help stop this from happening.

Sorry, I'm a lil high maybe I'm missing...what do you mean they are regenerating?

 

[darkdestruction420]

Sorry, I'm a lil high maybe I'm missing...what do you mean they are regenerating?

I second that, but im more than a lil high.lol

 

[jahtrip]

I believe by regenerating you mean, revert back to veg from flowering...
Usually that happens due to light problems, but i guess you already know that....
All i can think of, is a stress... somehow those particular plants get stressed...??? Root bound? Light stress...
Could it be that your timer is freaking out sometimes and the light stays on ?

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

the lower bud sites started growing leaves out of the buds and eventually getting leafier with less bud. and once cutting, they are all leaf with little to no bud.

'going back into a vegatative state.'

 

[darkdestruction420]

whats your light cycle at? whats it been in the past?

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

I believe by regenerating you mean, revert back to veg from flowering...
Usually that happens due to light problems, but i guess you already know that....
All i can think of, is a stress... somehow those particular plants get stressed...??? Root bound? Light stress...
Could it be that your timer is freaking out sometimes and the light stays on ?

correct.
im not sure what light problems we'd be having. i guess a freaky timer could be possible, my lights are on from 6pm to 6am, and im usually not awake when the lights go off so i cant exactly check. definately not root bound.
is it possible for this to happen if the lights are too fat from the bud sites? maybe to little light reaching the bud sites? (even though no leaves or anything are blocking them

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

whats your light cycle at? whats it been in the past?

12/12, it always comes on exactly at 5:48pm, when it goes off, the timer says its supposed to be 6am, but it should be 5:48 am, not exactly sure though.

im not sure if this matters but the grow is in a shed that is insulated and dry walled.

 

[WillMunny]

Were both harvests the same strain? Possibly variety related? It sure sounds like a light issue, or possibly nutes. But since its happened to both harvests, ya gotta wonder whats the consistent thread between the two. Good luck

 

[darkdestruction420]

thats really weird. can you get us some pics? this has really got me interested now, is it possible you have a light leak?

 

[jahtrip]

what is the wattage of your lamp? If its not strong enough, and your not putting it near enough to the plants... it can happen...
i saw a plant grown outdoors near a street light... one side of the plant was flowering the other side (exposed to the street light) was still vegging.... The guy was happy cause he cloned the one side of the plant... and has many babies from this plant, and harvested the other half...

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

thats really weird. can you get us some pics? this has really got me interested now, is it possible you have a light leak?

when we built the shed and did the dry wall we made sure everything was sealed perfect and at the time, there was absolutely no light whatsoever inside. pitch black, however, i havent been able to check in the past 4 months due to grows.
the door even has wood panels with a rubber/foam seal between the door and the panel. however, i believe the shed or the door has warped because i can see a thin light from the outside while the lamp is on. so this might be possible.
any ideas how we can seal the door up better?
ill try to post pics asap.

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

what is the wattage of your lamp? If its not strong enough, and your not putting it near enough to the plants... it can happen...
i saw a plant grown outdoors near a street light... one side of the plant was flowering the other side (exposed to the street light) was still vegging.... The guy was happy cause he cloned the one side of the plant... and has many babies from this plant, and harvested the other half...

i stated that it is a 600 watt hps, the shed is a 4x8 and we have the 600 on one side because we are planning on getting a second light on the other side. but with this issue with some branches regenning, its cutting our bud profits. the tops all look really nice for the most part though.

could our high humidity of close to 80 be the issue?
also, i was wondering, we have no intake or exhaust in our shed, but if we did it, should we worry about the light leaks from it? (this is the biggest reason why i havent already cut an intake/exhaust)

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

here is a picture of the side of the shed we are using. this picture is from the last grow. you can see how the wood panel is over the door. it used to be sealed perfectly, but since has warped a bit.
ill get more pictures tonight of the actual regenning.

 

[darkdestruction420]

the high humidity could cause bud rot but other than that, no, it wouldnt make the plant revert to veg, do you mean the bud leaves maybe? this has me stumped, the only reason it should turn back is a light cycle change, you'd have to lightproof the intake and exhaust but i'd go ahead and do it. 80 humidity and flowering and no venting is just asking for problems

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

the high humidity could cause bud rot but other than that, no, it wouldnt make the plant revert to veg, do you mean the bud leaves maybe? this has me stumped, the only reason it should turn back is a light cycle change, you'd have to lightproof the intake and exhaust but i'd go ahead and do it. 80 humidity and flowering and no venting is just asking for problems

i didn't believe so either. the only thing i can think of is if the timer got messed up, but this is the second timer we have used and both times had the same issue.
yea the bud leaves are becoming just all leaves instead of bud and leaves.

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

so the shed is 99.99 percent sealed now! electrical tape has been placed on any LED lights. temps are ranging from 56 - 78 degrees F. humidity is down to an 80% high and 45% low. think the 80% humidity is while the lights are off around the hottest point of the day with the temp at 78. this time around i vegged two plants in 7 gallons pots for 2 months to see if i still have the lower branches messing up. i will be putting only 2 plants under the 600 watt this time around so hopefully everything will be getting enough light!

 

[darkdestruction420]

looks good, one thing though-you MUST lower that humidity, if you dont your grow is probally gonna take a real bad dive, budrot/mold/fungus can all easily ruin a whole plant on you, shoot for 40% max for flowering.

 

[orgnlmrwiggles]

any ideas other than running 1100 watt dehumidifier? the cost for that would seem unreasonable imho. im thinking of adding more of the damp rid containers maybe 5 or 6 althogether, currently have two in. i was looking a dehumidifier from target that runs only 60 watts, dont know if its enough though.. with having 80%+ rh. http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/181-7133977-7699424?asin=B000XSDXP8&AFID=Froogle_df&LNM=|B000XSDXP8&CPNG=appliances&ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001
this is the 4th harvest and humidities have always been relatively similar. there were no signs of mold or rot until the last harvest where it attacked one of the farthest along plants. had to cut 2-7 days early cuz i got scared

 

[veggiegardener]

I've been dealing with light poisoning quite a bit.

It ain't how much light but when, and how long.

You mentioned the lower bud sites were revegging, and a sliver of light along the floor.

That is more than enough to screw up flowering.