Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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sixstring2112 said:
Quick ? uncle ben, i have a very tight plant i topped. master kush, i waited for the 6th node plus about 1-1/2 " on top. the spacing between nodes is VERY tight,maybe 3/4" . i cut between the 2nd and 3rd but the little nub that is left is only about 1/8th to1/3rd " the plant looks good and heathy but no new growth at the cut. the cut has healed up nice and i wonder what your thoughts are on getting 4 colas or just a big fat bush with colas everywhere. i will try to get some pics up soon. it has been about 36 hours from cutting. thanks.
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I developed this technique because I was growing sativas and wanted an easy way out to shorten plant height. If your internodes are that close, I'm not sure why you want to pinch out this way.

Regarding your mileage, let's just wait and see.

Good luck,
UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
I developed this technique because I was growing sativas and wanted an easy way out to shorten plant height. If your internodes are that close, I'm not sure why you want to pinch out this way.

Regarding your mileage, let's just wait and see.

Good luck,
UB
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the plant is doing good other than no new growth right at the cut. i really just want 4 main colas because your plant pic looks sweet. I think it is going to work fine, because the branches from the 2nd node are growing very fast now and the branches look like they are starting to bend up a little and fill in the void left from the leader i cut out.I have limited height to work with in my grow room so this should be the ticket. thanks
 
CyberSecks said:
beautiful man
whats a true node vs a node i think i understand but i dont wanna fuck it up
ive never tried topping before.
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A false node would be where your cotyledons are growing from.

Everything after that is a real node. You know where branches/leaves grow from.

One note, you may end up with a plant whos cotyledons and true set of leaves look like their on the same node. In that case, consider it your first true node. Your avatar would be a prime example of that.

sixstring2112 said:
the plant is doing good other than no new growth right at the cut. i really just want 4 main colas because your plant pic looks sweet. I think it is going to work fine, because the branches from the 2nd node are growing very fast now and the branches look like they are starting to bend up a little and fill in the void left from the leader i cut out.I have limited height to work with in my grow room so this should be the ticket. thanks
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You dont understand topping that well. Did you closely read the first page? You dont get new growth from the cutting site. Its the lateral branches that grow out and up like the previous main top. You are already experiencing that by what you wrote in your post.
 
Uncle Ben said:
Provides triacontanol, a hormone.

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Ben,

Was wondering if you could expand on what the effects might be of giving a plant too much triacontanol.

This last batch of soil I made up (trying to follow some guidelines you posted) ended up with 4 cups of Alfalfa pellets in approximately 75 gallons of mix. I soaked them and then added that wet mash to the pile I was mixing on the floor. I remember at the time having some concern that I wasn't going to get that wet gloppy mash evenly distributed through out the rest of the ingredients. [And in the future I think it might be better to go with grinding them up and adding them as a dry powder to help insure more even distribution through out the mix.]

Any how I've got a couple of plants going that are developing some pretty extreme "fox tailing". In fact quite a bit more than I've experienced with the same strain in the past. And I was wondering if may be I didn't get some "hot spots" of this triacontanol in those particular pots that could be the causation of this.

Jack
 
You dont understand topping that well. Did you closely read the first page? You dont get new growth from the cutting site. Its the lateral branches that grow out and up like the previous main top. You are already experiencing that by what you wrote in your post.[/QUOTE]
No i understand, I just expected my plant to grow a new node within 24 hours or so like the little nubs you see on U.B.s pic after the cut. maybee his plant already had those 2 nice little branches,whereas mine was so tightly spaced, i was left with only 4 branches and about 1/8'' of a nub. do you understand? I will post a pic when i get a break from this f*ing snow. peace.
 
The new foliar output response will be quick (within 24 hrs., see photo below) if you have a healthy growing seedling and will be your future main colas - 4 instead of the usual 1:

I thought i read it right the first time but i was high then and i am now:) I think i might have cut off the new foliar output because this thing was so small. plant does look beautifull now though.
 
Uncle Ben said:
Too many to keep up with for this old man. Sorry!

That was a strange plant. It came from the Brothers Grimm In/Out collection and took forever, something like 12 weeks of blooming. I vegged for about 4 weeks from the time it popped the soil's surface. If any of your old timers remember RC (Heavens Stairway seedbank, that got busted by the RMCP) and the Bros Grimm, can you believe I still have quite a few of the Bros In/Out Mix seeds! RC sold me about 20 for a buck a bean. Eat your heart out. :p
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Thanks for the info, killer job on that one.
 
Jack in the Bud said:
Ben,

Was wondering if you could expand on what the effects might be of giving a plant too much triacontanol.
Jack
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Weird, unexpected growth, which it sounds like you found out, hah! Any time you mess with mama nature's ho moans, she can produce weird results. Some have reported hearing voices coming from their gardens. :p Google triacontanol. You will find info of when a good thing can turn bad. Same thing applies with Superthrive.

BudgetGrower87 said:
Thanks for the info, killer job on that one.
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Thanks. It was fun.
 
I fim'd a duckfoot like 7 years ago and it grew 4 main colas. I wish i still had that strain. Did you ever get to try the duckfoot? I was a rook and the plant died in a 1 gallon pot outdoor. Never got to taste. I had some good hashplant that year. First plant got about a oz. 14 years young.
did you ever have a plant that didnt grow the 4?
 
Hey Ben I was wondering if this technique is best to use as a mother plant? I want to get as many clones off my female plants. I will be vegging the mothers for 6-8 weeks do you think that topping will increase the amount of branches that I can clone with less recovery time because your way is cutting half the plant where I only have a limited amount of time that I can veg there may be less amount of clones that I can get.
I am going to use your technique for my clones once they are in the ground outdoors after they have 6 nodes. I cant wait to try it out - thanks
 
kaer44 said:
Since I think FIM is a farce, can't advise ya

i dont get it... ????

autoflower no good on fim u mean..????
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No he means FIM'ing is foolish because there is no control over what happens, it is designed by name to fail, Fu*K I Missed is what fim stands for and most of the time missing is what happens and with topping you get exactly what you go for where as with fim you get what ever happens

Hope that helps
 
I did Uncle Ben's topping w out knowing it LOL...or actually my dog did ;) I fell asleep in the sofa after taking a big hit of Bubblegum, when I woke up 1 plant was "missing". I had fergotten to fill up my dogs water bowl and he knows that green leaves contain water, he eats leaves all the time when where out doors, also had I fergotten door open to grow room. Lesson learned and now I have a "net" in the door post so I can "forget" it open w out any dogs harming my ladies. Anywho...the plant only had few branches left on it w almost no leaves...the top was "missing" above the 2nd node so I just made a clean cut cuz it was "chewed" and kept her as an "experiment plant". It was those 4 branches left and now she has 4 main kolas forming...shame this 1 was bad genetics but now I know how I will top my clones wich are on their way, 3-4 nodes. I was just gonna top them, but now I know how.

Great post UB! You learn something new every day. Thx!

//CaL
 
I FIM'd my first ever plant 5 weeks into veg and 1 week before 12/12. It has 4 tops, not kolas as described in UB's topping, but is looking great, but UB's topping makes more sense and seems to be more "accurate". Also the FIM has redirected upward growth to the lower branches, maybe its better to FIM close to 12/12 rather than doing it and letting veg for a longer time?!

edit: "first ever plant" is referring to my first FIM'd plant ever ;-)
 

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