Topping Haze strains ?

[katripus]

Have you experience or knowledge in topping haze strains? Ever heard of Waldo Haze? I'm new to topping, so I am curious if it would be productive? I believe there's plenty of room around them, so what do you think? I'm running a RDWC, 6 5-gal buckets, 600W MH (HPS during flowering). Is it wise to top haze or let them form a main cola? Again, I believe they have lots of room around them. Here's a picture of my setup for a better look.

Any input would be highly valued. The waldo haze clones are about 4-5 inches tall with 4-5 or so nodes.

*bows to all the growers out there*

-Katripus

 

[ink the world]

Im growing out Hashplant x Haze right now. With that strain I would defiantly recommend topping.
The first few i put into flower I didnt top and wish I had. I top them all now.

 

[katripus]

Ok cool, the reason I ask is because I read this earlier on some website.

"[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Depending on the strain and the growing environment, the 'topped' plant may produce two small top colas instead of two big ones. Also, each strain has a threshold for bud production that cannot be improved upon because it is a genetically predetermined factor. On the other hand, some plants when fully grown without topping do not reach their threshold. The strain Blueberry is a good example of this. If you grow Blueberry without topping you won't achieve maximum bud production from that plant, but if you top the Blueberry, you will. Other strains aren't so flexible and the two top colas will simply share the same volume of bud that a single cola would have produced on the same strain.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It's advised that you keep in mind that pruning for yield using the topping method is strain-dependent and experiment carefully with this pruning method. Do this with 2 out of 10 plants in every grow. You'll find in time that during this vegetative prune you will be able to shape your plant. Plants are generally pruned three to four weeks into their vegetative cycle, but can be pruned sooner or later or more than once."

And also, I've been trying to find information and pictures about topping clones that are already showing alternating nodes. I've found some info, but it's kind of left and right. I haven't been able to find any pictures or guides or anything for alternating node topping. It's very different from what you would see from non alternating nodes.

I see two new growth spots at the top, but they're less than a cm away from each other. I don't want to top the highest one just so the one below it can become dominant and force the topped one (with "two new colas") to be weak and meaningless.

And then I read the Uncle Ben topping technique and in the first 22 pages, I found this.

"[/FONT] Quote:
Originally Posted by regionaldragon
What if you have alternating nodes instead of pairs of nodes, where do you top?

You can't. Nodes must be opposing for the double output thingie. If your nodesalternating, you won't get the effect as the top node (leafset) will be at a point on the plant that has the greatest collection of auxins, the newest, highest tissue. Auxins control a plant's growing dynamics. When you pinch out the tip of a plant that is in a veg stage (has opposing nodes/leafsets) then basically the plant splits the auxins and sends them to the 2 dormant buds located at the axis of where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk". Viola, you get simultaneous output, two new leafsets as shown on page one of this thread.

Good luck,
UB "

And

"Quote: Originally Posted by OneHit
UB, do you do all your grows from seed? Since with cloning, atleast the ones Ive been cloning, the nodes arnt right across from each other anymore.

A seedling is foolproof, a clone that shows alternating nodes (phytollaxy) will not work. Go long days, hit 'em with N, veg and when they return to opposing nodes, you can top to get 2 or 4 main colas instead the usual one.

UB"

Oh and these clones are like 5-7 inches tall by the way. Should I still chop em ? And if I do, can I still make a successful topping just removing some new growth from the very top? It'll make me feel like I'm cradle robbing it, but what should I do?

1. Leave it alone
2. Top/pinch/destroy #1 new growth
3. Top #2 and cut off #1?
4. What you would do

Thanks, any input would be highly appreciated, even the occasional bump or comment. Don't worry about answering everything at once, anything helps!

 

[ink the world]

I root the clones in a bubble cloner and transplant them into soil. About 2 weeks after the transplant I top them. I let my original Mom go into flower after she gave a bunch of cuttings and then had some new growth. It is much more bushy and gonna yield way more than the ones that I didnt top or prune at all.
The ones that i didnt prune are way more leggy and wont yield nearly as much per plant. It takes more time to prune (just use the cuttings as clones) and let the planyt bush up but its worth it.

 

[katripus]

I root the clones in a bubble cloner and transplant them into soil. About 2 weeks after the transplant I top them. I let my original Mom go into flower after she gave a bunch of cuttings and then had some new growth. It is much more bushy and gonna yield way more than the ones that I didnt top or prune at all.
The ones that i didnt prune are way more leggy and wont yield nearly as much per plant. It takes more time to prune (just use the cuttings as clones) and let the planyt bush up but its worth it.

When you say prune, do you mean the same thing as top or more in a way like cutting enough to make another clone instead of just topping the top part?

Cool, I think I'll top or prune them or whatever, but have you ever topped or pruned alternating nodes? I can't find any damn pictures lol. Thanks for the input, but I'm still ever so curious. I want to top them today.

I have 1 clone that has roots coming out of its rapid rooter that I transported in there today (but this clone is like 5-6 inches tall w/ like 5-6 alternating nodes too). And another clone that isn't as developed, wasn't as strong as the other ones when I got them. So I want to top these more advanced ones so there's no height competition. I'll probably maybe wanna top them again, and then top those two other not so developed clones once. Kind of balancing the time / height.

Anyways, I'm ever so curious on what you guys think, anything could pop new ideas and inspirations. Thanks again for the input (feel free to keep replying ).

-Katripus

 

[clasonde]

Im growing out Hashplant x Haze right now. With that strain I would defiantly recommend topping.
The first few i put into flower I didnt top and wish I had. I top them all now.

my hashplant x haze loved being fimmed. no stress, grew faster than it did un-fimmed.

 

[ink the world]

Im now doing what I saw on Uncle Bens post here https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get.html

Most of what you need to know is right in the first 2 paragraphs, he explains it better than I can. I will say it works like a charm. I used the 4 cola technique on a Kushberry Skunk plant here in the pic. It grew 4 even main colas.

This is exactly what Im doing w/ the Hashplant Haze now. It works like a charm.

 

[katripus]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]
"[/FONT] Quote:
Originally Posted by regionaldragon
What if you have alternating nodes instead of pairs of nodes, where do you top?

You can't. Nodes must be opposing for the double output thingie. If your nodesalternating, you won't get the effect as the top node (leafset) will be at a point on the plant that has the greatest collection of auxins, the newest, highest tissue. Auxins control a plant's growing dynamics. When you pinch out the tip of a plant that is in a veg stage (has opposing nodes/leafsets) then basically the plant splits the auxins and sends them to the 2 dormant buds located at the axis of where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk". Viola, you get simultaneous output, two new leafsets as shown on page one of this thread.

Good luck,
UB "

And

"Quote: Originally Posted by OneHit
UB, do you do all your grows from seed? Since with cloning, atleast the ones Ive been cloning, the nodes arnt right across from each other anymore.

A seedling is foolproof, a clone that shows alternating nodes (phytollaxy) will not work. Go long days, hit 'em with N, veg and when they return to opposing nodes, you can top to get 2 or 4 main colas instead the usual one.

UB"

He's saying alternating nodes shouldn't be topped until they're growing opposing ends.

 

[Pipe Dream]

I decided to top my sativa like plants to keep them shorter. In an indoor ebnironment I think topping is desirable I've grown some that I topped and most i did not. My two fattest buds came from a topped plant that was generaly sativa. Lights intensity deminshes so fast that to have the best harvest you really want an even canopy if at all possible.

As far as the alternating node thing I'm not sure what you mean here is a crappy illustration

the red indicates where you topped and the dark green is how the node will grow once topped. Just don't cut off all the nodes on a branch the the new branch should grow at the node.

 

[Pipe Dream]

does that help I M stoned

 

[katripus]

Yah thanks d00d. I topped all the taller ladies, gonna give tha shawtys some time. I wonder how this strain will work given the alternating nodes (unbalanced hormone passage) and just the fact that this is a haze (never done a purish sativa before).

I'll post some pics in a day or two, see how it came out.