Were women forced into the workforce against their nature and best interests?

dukeofbaja

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Just a question I am actively pondering at the moment.

If they were 'forced' into the workforce, who forced them?

How is it against womens' nature to work?

How is it against their best interests?
 

dukeofbaja

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I just want such a statement put before everyone prominently, so they can consider it. That's not as likely to happen when it is buried in another thread about baby boomers.
 

laughingduck

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No, nobody forced them. When they did the standard of living increased for that family, time spent with the kids decreased. This progressed to the point where we are now, they have to work to help support the household. It takes two to support it now.
 

Sustainable420

Active Member
No, nobody forced them. When they did the standard of living increased for that family, time spent with the kids decreased. This progressed to the point where we are now, they have to work to help support the household. It takes two to support it now.
Poppa can't bring home the bacon by himself anymore? Tell us something we don't know.
 

abe23

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Yes, same goes for black people when we forced them into unemployment and put them out in the street....
 
I

Illegal Smile

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Yes, same goes for black people when we forced them into unemployment and put them out in the street....
i can think of one black person we should do that to right now
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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Women were 'forced' to work because conservatives killed off the unions making it so the average Joe couldnt support a family on one salary. These same conservatives in their twisted logic now blame liberals for this because of womens rights.
 

RickWhite

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Since the late 1960s, feminists have very successfully waged war against the traditional family, in which husbands are the principal breadwinners and wives are primarily homemakers. This war's immediate purpose has been to undermine the homemaker's position within both her family and society in order to drive her into the work force. Its long-term goal is to create a society in which women behave as much like men as possible, devoting as much time and energy to the pursuit of a career as men do, so that women will eventually hold equal political and economic power with men. This book examines feminism's successful onslaught against the traditional family, considers the possible ramifications of that success, and defends a woman's choice to be a homemaker (p. 1).

If there is a book that our culture has been needing for the last thirty years, Domestic Tranquility is it. With library shelves sagging under the weight of tiresome feminist tirades 1 and traditional college courses morphing into Oppression Studies 101, the culture debate has been sorely needing exactly what Carolyn Graglia has given us: A Brief Against Feminism, complete with copious endnotes and a bibliography as delicious as the text itself.

Mrs. Graglia has saved us from the boredom of having to read the tedious tomes and pitiful polemics taught in "women's studies" courses, which ought rightly to be called feminist indoctrination sessions. She has woven these feminist diatribes into a coherent exposition of their ideology, totally demolishing their pretenses in ...
 

RickWhite

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The lives of women in the United States have improved over the past
35 years by many objective measures, yet we show that measures of
subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined
both absolutely and relative to men. This decline in relative wellbeing
is found across various datasets, measures of subjective wellbeing,
demographic groups, and industrialized countries. Relative
declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness
in which women in the 1970s reported higher subjective well-being
than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap
is emerging—one with higher subjective well-being for men.​
(JEL

I31, J16, J28)

http://bpp.wharton.upenn.edu/betseys/papers/Paradox%20of%20declining%20female%20happiness.pdf
 

dukeofbaja

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Gee, that couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they get paid $0.77 on the dollar compared to a male doing the same job, could it? Or maybe the constant barrage of untenable body types they are told to emulate? Nope, no way. Has to be the fact that they went out there and demanded to be given equal access to the same opportunities that men have. That must be it!
 

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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Since the late 1960s, feminists have very successfully waged war against the traditional family, in which husbands are the principal breadwinners and wives are primarily homemakers. This war's immediate purpose has been to undermine the homemaker's position within both her family and society in order to drive her into the work force. Its long-term goal is to create a society in which women behave as much like men as possible, devoting as much time and energy to the pursuit of a career as men do, so that women will eventually hold equal political and economic power with men. This book examines feminism's successful onslaught against the traditional family, considers the possible ramifications of that success, and defends a woman's choice to be a homemaker (p. 1).

If there is a book that our culture has been needing for the last thirty years, Domestic Tranquility is it. With library shelves sagging under the weight of tiresome feminist tirades 1 and traditional college courses morphing into Oppression Studies 101, the culture debate has been sorely needing exactly what Carolyn Graglia has given us: A Brief Against Feminism, complete with copious endnotes and a bibliography as delicious as the text itself.

Mrs. Graglia has saved us from the boredom of having to read the tedious tomes and pitiful polemics taught in "women's studies" courses, which ought rightly to be called feminist indoctrination sessions. She has woven these feminist diatribes into a coherent exposition of their ideology, totally demolishing their pretenses in ...
My gram, was born in 1911,,She wanted to work all the time and did, eventhough my gradfather forbid her to! He was to busy gambaling bootleggin' and cheating to do anything about it,,,She ditched him, and was very sucseesful for genarations to come.
WW-2 forced women into the workplace, and they found a new begining,,Yo go girls,lol.
 

mexiblunt

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My gram, was born in 1911,,She wanted to work all the time and did, eventhough my gradfather forbid her to! He was to busy gambaling bootleggin' and cheating to do anything about it,,,She ditched him, and was very sucseesful for genarations to come.
WW-2 forced women into the workplace, and they found a new begining,,Yo go girls,lol.
Nice! My great Gma lived to 104 she passed last year but lived on the farm, planted and harvested the garden, chickens, lawn tractor untill she was 100! Great G-pa passed when she was around 70. She taught our whole family about Work, including 30 some foster kids over the years who have become very succesfull themselves.
 

Stoney McFried

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You know, women still worked..they just weren't getting paid for it. Raising children, keeping house, and cooking is work, plain and simple. Now women have a choice as to whether that's what they want to do, and that's a good thing. This may come as a shock to you, Rick, but not all women want to give birth and raise kids and flutter about like little domestic butterflies. There's nothing wrong with being a homemaker; I am one,until the youngest begins attending school. Then I'll get a job during the day so I can be home with them at night. But this is MY choice,because I don't trust day cares or babysitters with my kids. If I could get paid to work from home, I would, just because I don't like supervisors breathing down my neck,and I'm not a huge people person. Before the war, women were raised to be housewives, period. The man was "the boss" and women were in submission to their husbands. Women were unable to obtain reliable birth control or legal abortions,so they had a new baby on their hip every year or turned a blind eye while their husbands cheated on them with "loose women" (note the quotes,this is not my opinion of these women) in order to relieve them of the burden of their "wifely duties". Having a lot of children can take a real toll on your health,hence these women had shorter lifespans then they have today. Many died in childbirth.
( In pre-industrial societies without birth control, infanticide was common population control-and I think we can all agree that nobody here is down with that.)
After WWI, the condom came into favor as a means to prevent venereal disease,and since it was also a contraceptive, it lead to more acceptance of contraceptive use and pregnancy prevention. You can see here that women's life expectancy has steadily risen, as have men's.
TABLE 12A: LIFE EXPECTANCY BY AGE GROUP AND SEX, IN YEARS, 1900 TO 1997
1900 1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 1997 LIFE EXPECTANCY AT BIRTH
TOTAL
49.2 51.5 56.4 59.2 63.6 68.1 69.9 70.8 73.9 75.4 76.5
MEN 47.9 49.9 55.5 57.7 61.6 65.5 66.8 67.0 70.1 71.8 73.6
WOMEN 50.7 53.2 57.4 60.9 65.9 71.0 73.2 74.6 77.6 78.8 79.4

Now, this is due to a number of factors, including better medical technology,sanitation,vaccinations-but more relaxed attitudes towards birth control and the "role" of women and men in society also plays a part. As attitudes changed and relaxed,less pressure was placed on the individual to conform to a recognized "standard" of what they were to behave like.This lessened stress quite a bit,and we all know stress can be detrimental to health. Women could work without being expected to marry and raise a family. Men could stay home and do the domestic work around the house without fear of being "emasculated".
As we become more tolerant of different familial configurations,we realize that children can be successfully and lovingly raised by any adult who is nurturing, loving, and supportive. "Family" has different meanings for different people,but one thing holds steady across the board-a loving, nurturing family is the best environment to raise children. And it doesn't matter if mom works and dad stays home.
We need to stop using a person's sex to set expectations. Aside from physical differences between the sexes,there is no difference, we're all human. There is no "right or wrong" way to be a girl or a boy. A woman can want power and a career,and a man can want to stay home and raise the kids-and neither way of thinking is "wrong". Boys can play with dolls.Girls can play with trucks. Doesn't matter. Sex is just a physical thing. Physically,you're either an egg carrier or an egg fertilizer. But that's not the sum total of what you are.:roll:
Just because you're a woman,it doesn't mean you have to give birth and be happy with domestic duty. Just because you're a man,it doesn't mean you have to "climb the ladder of success" and be the "breadwinner."
Oh,by the way, Rick....1842 called. They want their ideology back.:mrgreen:
Since the late 1960s, feminists have very successfully waged war against the traditional family, in which husbands are the principal breadwinners and wives are primarily homemakers. This war's immediate purpose has been to undermine the homemaker's position within both her family and society in order to drive her into the work force. Its long-term goal is to create a society in which women behave as much like men as possible, devoting as much time and energy to the pursuit of a career as men do, so that women will eventually hold equal political and economic power with men. This book examines feminism's successful onslaught against the traditional family, considers the possible ramifications of that success, and defends a woman's choice to be a homemaker (p. 1).

If there is a book that our culture has been needing for the last thirty years, Domestic Tranquility is it. With library shelves sagging under the weight of tiresome feminist tirades 1 and traditional college courses morphing into Oppression Studies 101, the culture debate has been sorely needing exactly what Carolyn Graglia has given us: A Brief Against Feminism, complete with copious endnotes and a bibliography as delicious as the text itself.

Mrs. Graglia has saved us from the boredom of having to read the tedious tomes and pitiful polemics taught in "women's studies" courses, which ought rightly to be called feminist indoctrination sessions. She has woven these feminist diatribes into a coherent exposition of their ideology, totally demolishing their pretenses in ...
 

speedyseedz

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Women of today got sold out, work is slavery, just the terms of it today are far better than they used to be back in the day.

Why should families have to have both parents working 40+ hours a week, with the kids in childcare. Most families struggle to get by and with the way borrowing is shoved at us from the very time we become eligable and the way bills have increased to a point where we are actually no better off.

I can understand that the women wanted better lifes back then, instead of being locked away in the kitchen, while the husband goes out drinking at all times then comes home and smacks her up.

As far as I know though, that lil problem never got solved, the women just got owned and sent out to work too.

I think that the feminist movements were definitely helped along by people in higher places. Just maybe not in the direction that women really wanted.
 

RickWhite

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Women of today got sold out, work is slavery, just the terms of it today are far better than they used to be back in the day.

Why should families have to have both parents working 40+ hours a week, with the kids in childcare. Most families struggle to get by and with the way borrowing is shoved at us from the very time we become eligable and the way bills have increased to a point where we are actually no better off.

I can understand that the women wanted better lifes back then, instead of being locked away in the kitchen, while the husband goes out drinking at all times then comes home and smacks her up.

As far as I know though, that lil problem never got solved, the women just got owned and sent out to work too.

I think that the feminist movements were definitely helped along by people in higher places. Just maybe not in the direction that women really wanted.

The basic ideology was to make women and men the same in every way. It was assumed that equality was synonymous with sameness.

The economic fallout was of course the necessity of the two income home for nearly everyone. This of course caused a host of other issues.

What people need to realize is that men and women, though of equal value in life are not the same. Our brains are wired very differently and this has been proven by modern science. Given this, we have different need, different strengths and different desires. John Gary's, "When mars and Venus collide" does an excellent job of explaining these differences and how they relate to modern life.

Basically, nature gave each of us a set of cards. Men received the ability of survival and women the ability of reproduction - men were hard wired in the full on position when it comes to reproductive choice. Hence, women control reproductive choice.

By nature, we are designed to trade these two essentials of life. Men trade their survival ability and women their reproductive ability. This isn't just theory either - there is much proof. Women prefer taller men with high social standing and men prefer signs of good genetics and high fertility. Scientific evidence shows that these things are responsible for our perception of beauty.

This system worked real well for a long time until modernity gave us the ability to monkey with this arrangement. The result, is an unnatural situation in which women are afforded their own survival ability.

The result, is that men are becoming less and less necessary and that the bar is raised for the natural trade of our respective value. That is why married men tend to be more wealthy and tend to make double what their wifes make. If a woman retains her undiminished reproductive value and has her own survival value, she has a lot more to bargain with.

This is also the reason women, and not men are twice as likely to initiate divorce. Why should she make an effort to put up with a guy when she can take half of his stuff and move on with little consequence. There is no longer reason for her not to.

It was once the case that we each held half of the cards. Now, women hold all of their cards and half of ours. Or as I once heard it phrased - "women now have half the money and all the pussy."

I do not think this will be good in the long run.
 
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