The Lost Art of Foliar Feeding

Good thread for the most part. I question the nute level. If u eventual feed at full strength, can you not foliar feed at full strength given that new plants and clones are feed at much lower levels. I ask because I want to use my aero root chamber as the source of foliar feeding. Shortly before lights I would expel the misted root chamber to the undersides of the plants. And, perhaps, at other times. Thanks for your response. Unlike some pps I realize that foliar feeding is the most direct way to fertilize a plant.

Aside: If foliar feeding heightens the concetration of cations in the roots, then, the roots must absorb more water to balance the osmotic pressure! Some previous post indicated the reverse.
 

dank nug

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first off bad ass thread. one of the few threads i cared to read all the way through. have a question though. if you're using cfls that are within 2'' from the plant(s) should you foliar feed when the lights are on? i think i remember burning some plants back in the day that way but i dont remember. i was probably just using too much nutes though so idk. any feedback would be appreciated!
 

geffcardo

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first off bad ass thread. one of the few threads i cared to read all the way through. have a question though. if you're using cfls that are within 2'' from the plant(s) should you foliar feed when the lights are on? i think i remember burning some plants back in the day that way but i dont remember. i was probably just using too much nutes though so idk. any feedback would be appreciated!
i started foliar feeding about 2 weeks ago and everything is fine, when i spray the plants, i move the plants away from the light so that the water wont hit the lights or any electrical spot and then i put the plants back in
 

Uncle Ben

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Foliar feeding IS NOT a viable substitute for feeding thru the roots. It more marketing folksy stuff than anything else. If you have media or application limitations, then you need to correct that problem.

On the other hand, macronutrients, such as nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, are needed in larger
quantities. While many of these are mobile in the plant, it is pointless to apply them to foliage as leaves
cannot take up enough material to supply the entire plant’s demands. Furthermore, foliar application of
high concentrations of such nutrients often results in leaf burn as water evaporates and the fertilizer salts
remain behind. Substituting numerous, lower concentration applications would not be cost effective.
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Foliar%20feeding.pdf

UB
 

spl1

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Good thread for the most part. I question the nute level. If u eventual feed at full strength, can you not foliar feed at full strength given that new plants and clones are feed at much lower levels. I ask because I want to use my aero root chamber as the source of foliar feeding. Shortly before lights I would expel the misted root chamber to the undersides of the plants. And, perhaps, at other times. Thanks for your response. Unlike some pps I realize that foliar feeding is the most direct way to fertilize a plant.

Aside: If foliar feeding heightens the concetration of cations in the roots, then, the roots must absorb more water to balance the osmotic pressure! Some previous post indicated the reverse.
I do feed it full nut on the leaves, do to the fact it is a fine mist and not the full load will stay on the leaves do to run off.

Yes foliage feeding has been proven to stimulate root growth and helps create symbiotic relationship with beneficial bacteria and fungi in the soil.

Every one forgets about osmotic pressure and how all live thing will try to balance it with in it's self, It just nature.

Thanks for stopping by.
 

spl1

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first off bad ass thread. one of the few threads i cared to read all the way through. have a question though. if you're using cfls that are within 2'' from the plant(s) should you foliar feed when the lights are on? i think i remember burning some plants back in the day that way but i dont remember. i was probably just using too much nutes though so idk. any feedback would be appreciated!
Just spray them right before the lights come on, or a minute before the lights turn off.

keep us posted on how your grow is doing.

Thanks for stopping by
 

beardo

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has anyone had problems with herm after foliar feeding? i stopped spraying my plants because i thought it was causing hermes but it might have been a light leak or genetics. im going to start foilar feeding again...thanks
 

spl1

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Foliar feeding IS NOT a viable substitute for feeding thru the roots. It more marketing folksy stuff than anything else. If you have media or application limitations, then you need to correct that problem.

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%20Chalker-Scott/Horticultural%20Myths_files/Myths/Foliar%20feeding.pdf

UB
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/296617-afy-cutting-12-12-dwc.html

This plant was grown from a un-rooted cutting that was only 1.5" tall, dipped it in a fungi's rooting dip that I make up, then I put it in top of a 5 gallon bucket set up in a DWC.
this plant took six weeks from un-rooted to finished plant.

I trimmed the leaves and stem and weighted it wet but trimmed and the main cola was around 5.6oz and the two smaller ones were around 2.8 and 2.9 oz each. This is wet but trimmed. The scale is set to OZ so it is 11.85 oz wet and trimmed.

I challenge any one that does not believe that foliage feeding does not work to do this in six weeks. Take a cutting un-rooted and take it out to a finished colas with total weight, and post pics once a week just like I did, In fact I will do it again if need be.

So lets test this theory that this does not work and does not help a plant grow.

Also what the rest of the academic community thinks about this
Well I also read that pdf as well, she also said the foliar feeding did have a impact on non fruit bearing tress and bushes to correct micro nutrients deficiencies.

Her paper does not talk about fruit bearing trees or fruit bearing plants in general.

When I was younger working in tree orchards for apples, oranges, rubyred grape fruit, walnuts, and pecans from year to year when we could afford to foliar spray our harvest were 20% to 30% large by weight alone. So if there is no solid proof on file oh well, the yields speak in volume.


Here is a study with different resources disagree with the post you put up on my thread.

University of Tennessee - Prof. T.S. Osborne, Agronomist
"... research indicated that only 10 to 12 per cent of phosphorus fertilizers as taken up by plants in the first year; the rest was "locked in" the soil or washed away. Fertilizer applied to soil is largely wasted because it is either bound by soil particles or is washed out of the root zone. If chemical elements could go directly into leaves and bypass the wastefulness of soils, a tremendous saving would result.

The foliage of plants can take in nutrients much as roots can. Many nutrients are readily taken up by foliage, including bark of dormant trees; even at temperatures below freezing. Elements such as phosphorus, nitrogen, and potassium move both up and down from the point of application at rates similar to those following root absorption."


University of Michigan - Drs. Witter and Turkey as quoted in Readers Digest magazine
"... leaves lap up food like blotting paper and it spreads in a few hours from tip to root. In many cases, as much as 95 percent of the food sprayed on the leaves is used immediately by the plant, where under some conditions, the roots take up no more than 10 percent of the same amount placed in the soil."



Louisiana State University - Drs. A.L. Bertrand and L. L. Rusoff
"Trader elements were used to ascertain conclusively that plants absorb nutrients through their foliage, fruit, flowers, and twigs as well as their roots."



Agricultural Chemicals Magazine
"Phosphorus availability studies have given a ratio of 20 to 1 in favor of foliar feeding over soil feeding. There seems little doubt that where soil fixation exists, foliar applications of nutrients constitute the most efficient method of fertilizer "placement" and with plants of sufficient leaf area, foliar feeding with ALL the elements can make a significant contribution toward the total nutrient requirement."



Ontario Agricultural College - Dr. T.E. Bates
"We increase corn yields 7 bushels per acre at five different locations with liquid fertilizer placed directly with the seed. The corn also received the recommended amounts of fertilizer in a band. The most startling difference is in the size. Some fields were half again as tall two weeks after the core cam up."



Big Farmer Magazine
Dr. S.H. Wittwer of Michigan State
"Farmer should fertilize according to soil test recommendations, follow with 'starter solutions' or 'pop-up' fertilizers and finish the job with foliar applications."



ATTRA - National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/foliar.html


http://www.growersmineral.com/crops/...iar-feed-plans
 

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spl1

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has anyone had problems with herm after foliar feeding? i stopped spraying my plants because i thought it was causing hermes but it might have been a light leak or genetics. im going to start foilar feeding again...thanks
Never unless you make it hermie with silver nitrate or a heavy load aspirin in the water.
 

GODFREY1

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1st off let me say this thread is the shit. Were startin foiar feeding tomorrow.Was lookin for info on what we could use that we already had in the house. Mainly the FoxFarm that i got for flowering. Was happy to see someone in here say that's all they use. I don't get paid till thursday so my boy is bringin me some MG. Gonna try your formula. Starting tomorrow I'll be documenting foliar feeding in my journal. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/312273-fun-grow.html Again. Bad ass thread. Very helpful.
 
trace elements are vital. The best organic source I know of is the foliar feed sold by North American Kelp. I have had amazing results outdoors in my garden. MUCH healthier plants with very enhanced ability to hande stress from insects etc.
Add some symbiotic material from Fungiperfecti.com and you wont believe the difference - like double the yield.
 

blakkmask

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Well first let me start by saying great this is a great thread, but I did have some questions of concern. Like for one, Ive always heard that superthrive, which I use for veg, can actually prolong flowering in cannabis plants when use in the bloom phase? Can you shed some light on that for me. And two, Ive provided a pic of the MG Bloom booster Ive had since my first grow in 2008. I have since moved on to semi-organic growing but have been wondering about what could I use this rather large box of fertz for.

On my current grow I was going to give the plants about 1.5 teaspoons per gallon on week four of flowering, through the soil, to increase my yield. I'd like to know if I should foliar feed them the nutes instead as not to harm any beneficial organisms in the soil. ; Im using the 10-52-10 MG bloom booster in the lavender box as seen, not the 15-30-15 kind In the yellow box, will this make a difference? I know super high "P" Fertz are not always recommended. Your feedback would be appreciated.
 

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blakkmask

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1st off let me say this thread is the shit. Were startin foiar feeding tomorrow.Was lookin for info on what we could use that we already had in the house. Mainly the FoxFarm that i got for flowering. Was happy to see someone in here say that's all they use. I don't get paid till thursday so my boy is bringin me some MG. Gonna try your formula. Starting tomorrow I'll be documenting foliar feeding in my journal. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/312273-fun-grow.html Again. Bad ass thread. Very helpful.
Im gonna be doing this as well on my current grow journal, which is my sig, we should compare our experiences. I plan on giving them a light mist either later today or tomorrow. ;-)
 

blakkmask

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sorry if this has been asked already, i didn't see it though. Does foliar feeding change the taste of the bud?
well he said its only used up until a "penny sized bud" or about 4 weeks flower. So i guess you could do a few with just plain water at the end to "rinse" of any residue.
 

Cali Grower

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well he said its only used up until a "penny sized bud" or about 4 weeks flower. So i guess you could do a few with just plain water at the end to "rinse" of any residue.
true. i just don't want to be smoking that stuff. lol. he also said that spraying with ph'd water welcomes mold though, so idk. i'll be using organic nutes to spray with. plus, i hope to have an air sterilizer to help keep mold away.
 
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