fulfilling my need of 1.5-2oz

GanjaRastaMan

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I'm wanting to do organic indoor with a 400 or 250 watt HID, I'll probley have both bulb tyes MH and HPS so I can use the best one for each cycle.

I'm trying to see before I start up how many plants I will really need for a yield to give me enough for 1.5 -2 oz per month. Generally speaking what kinda setup for a closet grow with most likely 3x3, 4x3, or 4x4 feet and a pretty high ceiling will get me to my goal?

Of all the anti depressants I've tried none have worked and most have bad side effects so I smoke at night. But I can't cuz buying it was costing me half my wages.
 
Joker209

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I hate to be / sound negative but you are grasping at smoke.. It would be best if you got to know the growing community better. Read a lot of the journals and make / build / buy whatever it is you are thinking will work best for you but if small spaces are the issue then go with 2 mother plants and a DIY DWC tote and have a good clone cycle going. Reading is the best idea for you to get better ideas for what will suit you. A motto I made up when I first starting growing some years back : "The more you know the more you grow" and it is true :D Get educated and read EVERYTHING you can get your hands on.
 
GanjaRastaMan

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I'm working on the research right now but asking people and reading info is better than just researching by itself. I'm asking about the yield and plants needed to fit my need so I have a place to start and a goal to work toward, a general idea of what I'm looking at doing.
 
GanjaRastaMan

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yeah I have many grow vids but I also want to ask peeps their personal experiences from non "professionals" the guys on the vids are usually hardcore about it and I'd like the average growers opinion also.
 
sixstring2112

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the SOG guys can get an oz a month no problem in a 6 or 8 site tote. read up on sog and i'm sure you will find a way to get close to what your looking for , and go with the 400. a couple small lights to veg a mother and a 400 over you flowers.
 
GanjaRastaMan

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sixstring2112 said:
the SOG guys can get an oz a month no problem in a 6 or 8 site tote. read up on sog and i'm sure you will find a way to get close to what your looking for , and go with the 400. a couple small lights to veg a mother and a 400 over you flowers.
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what do u mean by a 6 or 8 site tote?
 
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GanjaRastaMan

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What about doing SOG with soil? Can u have the space to do it? I prefer soil since its more natural and it tastes better but it's slower.

Does SOG mean small plants and seperated veg and flowering seperated or just lots of small plants?
 
Joker209

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GanjaRastaMan said:
What about doing SOG with soil? Can u have the space to do it? I prefer soil since its more natural and it tastes better but it's slower.

Does SOG mean small plants and seperated veg and flowering seperated or just lots of small plants?
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Lots of small plants is best and if you do them in small pots I don't see why not. I have seen 2 liter bottles used in a sea of green so maybe you can do the same.
 
GanjaRastaMan

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Joker209 said:
Lots of small plants is best and if you do them in small pots I don't see why not. I have seen 2 liter bottles used in a sea of green so maybe you can do the same.
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Yeah I'm leaning toward SOG but does it really give u a lot more yield?

I'm thinking of doing SOG, having my clones under fluorescents in a separate smaller grow tent, I wonder if that system would be pretty efficient.

Do you top the plants to make two colas when u do SOG?
 
Joker209

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GanjaRastaMan said:
Yeah I'm leaning toward SOG but does it really give u a lot more yield?

I'm thinking of doing SOG, having my clones under fluorescents in a separate smaller grow tent, I wonder if that system would be pretty efficient.

Do you top the plants to make two colas when u do SOG?
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No you don't top them for more colas and yes normally they do produce much better yields. Typically when you do a sog grow you should have a few mother plants and take cuttings off those and put clones that are the same age into a sog. Or you can just veg your plants for a few months and then flower for a few months and have a lump of bud and hope it will last until the end of next flower. Don't know if that will work for your size of a grow room.
 
GanjaRastaMan

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but ur saying that I should have only either veg or flowering going on at one time right? I won't have space for veg and flowering chambers. But I can do mother plants under fluorescents in a small grow tent or partitioned from SOG chamber.

So I guess I'd save time of having to germinate, and grow the seedlings to bigger size.

How high are SOG plants usually at end of vegging and end of flowring? How big of pots?
 
Joker209

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If you take clones straight to flower then they will double or triple in size by the end so if you start with a 9 inch clone with say 2 inch roots the roots will overtake the 2lither bottle in no time and the plant will be between 15 and 25 inches by harvest. I haven't used this method (2 liter with soil) but I'm pretty sure it would work. Take about 2-4 mothers and cut 20-25 plants every 2 weeks or even every 3 months and you should hit your need of 1.5-2 oz easy. Hope this helps.

With the set up I have and the amount of plants I have going in I should yield around 10 oz every 2 weeks or so which is 1lb every month. I will have (4) 20 site DWC totes in flower under (4) 400w hps (one for each tote) and 5 mothers under a 400 watt MH. Everything will be air cooled with a no in no out system and Co2. After dialing everything in I should be able to hit 2lb / mo in no time. I happen to have more patience than just 1 haha
 
Joker209

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Joker209 said:
If you take clones straight to flower then they will double or triple in size by the end so if you start with a 9 inch clone with say 2 inch roots the roots will overtake the 2lither bottle in no time and the plant will be between 15 and 25 inches by harvest. I haven't used this method (2 liter with soil) but I'm pretty sure it would work. Take about 2-4 mothers and cut 20-25 plants every 2 weeks or even every 3 months and you should hit your need of 1.5-2 oz easy. Hope this helps
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This part was meant for you and your grow. Sorry if the rest confused you.
 
FootClan

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Joker209 said:
This part was meant for you and your grow. Sorry if the rest confused you.
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Do you realize how labor intensive a sog grow is if you are watering by hand organicaly? If your going to do a sog you really need an active hydro system....how will you water 6 weeks into flowering? going to pull all them out one by one? lol

Also if all you want is 1.5 oz's a month thats only 18oz's a year.... You can yield that in one grow if you do it right.
Could do it with just one 4x4 tent 600watt/1000w aircooled light. Maybe another fan and if you got two fans can use some Co2 too ... Even if you only yielded HALF that you could just do one more cycle and thats still only 2 cycles a year. So 2 cycles if you suck and 1 if you know your shit........Dont even need a mother and a veg room.. Does the cost of having another veg room going 365days a year really justify the need for only 180z a year?. Seems more cost effective to just get your hands on some clones once or twice a year and your Golden. Just my Opinion though i dont know what state you live in so maybe its hard to get clones where you are. by the way if you try to do it in one grow better to do it in the cold months especially if your using a 600w/1000w like i am.... It gets in 100's where i live in the summr so since i dont have a portatble AC for now i only use a 400w during the summer just too damn hot for anything else without running home ac or portable. This grow im doing 4x4 tent 1000w aircooled light. No co2 and no 2nd fan. Im creating negitive pressure sucking from inside tent through filter>duct>hood>duct>tent>8"fan>4'silencer>outside

with this set up i have tent temps around 79-83 degrees with light on. and my ambient temps outside the tent are about 73 74 degrees. I only have 9 plants in 3 gallon smart pots..My goal is 16oz's in 3 months..... My last grow was 10 plants in 2gallon pots under 400w with temps anywhere from 65 to 95 degrees and i only yielded 8 oz's very disapointing yield for 10 plants.. With my new location and more than double the watts i think 16oz's with 9 plants will be very do able and if i can do it with one tent so can you........ Hope this helps give ya some ideas.........later
 
GanjaRastaMan

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FootClan said:
Do you realize how labor intensive a sog grow is if you are watering by hand organicaly? If your going to do a sog you really need an active hydro system....how will you water 6 weeks into flowering? going to pull all them out one by one? lol
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Footclan what are the full dimensions of your tent? 4x4x? what's the height?

Damn your so right, there's so many in's and out's to this. My reason for not wanting hydro is 1. extra wattage (maybe not much extra?), 2. extra place for things to go wrong, 3. Taste, 4. I believe cannabis gives a very earthy feeling, I like the most natural way to do grow it; soil to smoke.

What do you think would be better to keep it simple? SOG w/ hyrdo or bigger plants grown in soil? I'm needing a place to start so I can get started when I'm ready soon.

Smell is another thing. Many peeps have told me that the strains I want to try (seperate grows) will be too stinky: white widow (finicky on nutes also), and afghan kush. So if smell's not really of concern if I get a good carbon filter then I want to custom pick my strain. BUT most importantly I need a strain that will yield a comfortable amount (I'd like to cook and add to vodka too) and be damn damn potent. It'd be nice to have a ~70indica/30sativa, good to sleep with but nice to have those good creative, quality "thinking sessions" hope that makes sense.
 
Joker209

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Have to be honest foot. I didn't read everything you read but if you read back I had said he could just veg the shit outta a plant and flower it. I mentioned sog because of small space and he had mentioned soil. I have seen very successful sog's done with soil but if the grower can get a tote from walmart an air pump from an online hydro store and some air stones and some plastic cups from walmart he could have a decent grow in a DIY DWC. The grow I am doing right now is a DIY DWC and it works just about as good as a professional DWC. I was stating for the record for the grower if he wanted to go soil and sog that was what he needed to do and how he needed go about it.

Btw Ganja I built my DWC (deep water cultivation) for just under $20 in Ca. USA and the total power used on the 1 tote is 80 watts from the lights and 4 watts from the air pump. Not much more cost there imo.
This pump here is an upgrade from the pump I'm using and my pump supports 20 healthy ladies constantly. Here's the pump.
http://discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=545&navid=8


Joker209 said:
Or you can just veg your plants for a few months and then flower for a few months and have a lump of bud and hope it will last until the end of next flower. Don't know if that will work for your size of a grow room.
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Not to sound rude or be a dick about it but I did mention he could do the 1 harvest period at a time.
 
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