Aliens

skunkushybrid

New Member
Ok Mr SKB I read all that the pro's and the cons but look at an excerpt from it.




Interesting no?
She drew a random group of stars... she was also hesitant to do so at first. She was having dreams before... in her dreams she said the aliens were wearing uniforms, and were talking to her like they were english. At one point she describes them getting excited... also while she was being examined she suffered pain, the examiner (her words) put a hand over her eyes to calm her...

She was obviously very delusional, probably brought on by a white woman being married to a black man in that era...

There is no sense in nonsense.
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
Just to show you how far the goverment will go to cover all this up:
In their final report, they stressed that low-grade, unverifiable UFO reports were overloading intelligence channels, with the risk of missing a genuine conventional threat to the U.S. Therefore, they recommended the Air Force de-emphasize the subject of UFOs and embark on a debunking campaign to lessen public interest. They suggested debunkery through the mass media, including The Walt Disney Company, and using psychologists, astronomers, and celebrities to ridicule the phenomenon and put forward prosaic explanations. Furthermore, civilian UFO groups "should be watched because of their potentially great influence on mass thinking… The apparent irresponsibility and the possible use of such groups for subversive purposes should be kept in mind."
Project Blue Book - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even J. Allen Hyneck, one of the men appointed to "Project blue Book", changed his opinion on UFOs as time passed:

Hynek's opinions about UFOs began a slow and gradual shift. After examining hundreds of UFO reports over the decades (including some made by credible witnesses, including astronomers, pilots, police officers, and military personnel), Hynek concluded that some reports represented genuine empirical observations.
J. Allen Hynek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
She was obviously very delusional, probably brought on by a white woman being married to a black man in that era...
Taken from your post:

Psychiatrists reportedly later suggested that the supposed abduction was a hallucination brought on by the stress of being an interracial couple in early 60s America. [5] Betty discounted this suggestion, noting her relationship with Barney was happy, and their interracial marriage caused no notable problems with their friends or family. As noted in The Interrupted Journey, Dr. Simon thought that the Hills marital status had nothing to do with the UFO encounter.
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
I don't understand how that relates to what I said... she is bound to say that.

All the attention they got, it would have been too late to back out... she would also have been aware of probing questions...

But hey, if you wanna believe this stuff that's up to you... I've already proved that sci fi was portraying aliens of all shapes and sizes in this era... which just so happens to coincide with people's depictions of these aliens in that time period.

Now, nobody gets kidnapped by monstrous aliens... strange.
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
I'm sorry, I should have emphasized this:

As noted in The Interrupted Journey, Dr. Simon thought that the Hills marital status had nothing to do with the UFO encounter.
And your right, nobody gets kidnapped by monsters anymore, but they do claim to get kidnapped by the greys, which is exactly what the Hills reported way back then:peace:
 
Mr SKB did you read what you quoted? A Random group of stars (fook I am tired but I will try to pick the bones out of it) no hold on its easy I will just re-quote it

Dr. David Saunders, a statistician who had been on the Condon UFO study, argued that unusual alignment of key sun-like stars in a plane centered around Zeta Reticuli (first described by Fish) was statistically improbable to have happened by chance from a random group of stars in our immediate neighborhood. [2]
Please read it again and think about the statement, I know you extracted below lots of things that point to her being delusional but the above makes a big difference to the whole thing for me.

Ok I could be forced to retire this arguement because the words statistically improbable were not statistically impossible but equally I don't take the mixed marriage stress syndrome either sounds just like the media bullshit we are fed today. Dare I mention D.A.R.E.

Can't say I believe anything or not but I am open minded and Erniedytn is an awesome source without having to sift through the probable crap on ufo sites (no offence to your beliefs Ernie).

All the best


PS. I'm pissed hope I didn't offend anybody.

She drew a random group of stars... she was also hesitant to do so at first. She was having dreams before... in her dreams she said the aliens were wearing uniforms, and were talking to her like they were english. At one point she describes them getting excited... also while she was being examined she suffered pain, the examiner (her words) put a hand over her eyes to calm her...

She was obviously very delusional, probably brought on by a white woman being married to a black man in that era...

There is no sense in nonsense.
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
She drew the stars, then some amateur astronomer looked around for a match...

What exactly is the statistical improbability this guy talks about?

Back to the 50's and 60's... why is there only one report that even comes close?

The connection is obvious T.V. Back then there was a broad range of aliens coming to Earth in movies... a lot of Americans believed that they could be invaded at any moment (we laugh about this in my country)... now people are following the fashion that these aliens are grey men, with bug eyes... as it happens, this is just like science fiction today.

It's so obvious.

I'm not saying there aren't aliens... but we are really the only intelligent life form on this planet... out of billions. Before us there were dinosaurs roaming the planet and we were maybe just some type of amoeba getting washed up on a beach somewhere...

Life offers too much to chance to guarantee we find intelligent life, especially not anywhere near close to us.

If the probability was such... then there would be other planets too that also had intelligent life. You say these greys created us, then who created the greys?
 
I don't have the sense or the knowledge to put up a good arguement anymore today :) Ernie has probably another 5 hours to wear you down, I will check back in for the early shift tomorrow.

I agree its seems too far fetched that there are aliens visiting regularly but I think when I was young I believed in Christianity, then I learned more, lived some of my life and now I don't.

Look at Natmoon's post little grey men drawn on cave walls x number of years ago, just like Ernie's photo blah, not monsters but little grey men on cave walls.

Bleh i'm fooked and i'm not making sense, will check in tomorrow.

Respect Mr SKB and all

All the best
 

Ethnobotanist

Well-Known Member
Just to show you how far the goverment will go to cover all this up:


Project Blue Book - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even J. Allen Hyneck, one of the men appointed to "Project blue Book", changed his opinion on UFOs as time passed:



J. Allen Hynek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keep in mind that the people who edit these article are those with an interest in such subjects, and whose worldview depends upon the belief in such things. A look at any of the talk pages will more often than not show this.

One person, commenting on the "Starchild skull" article, private messaged me last year and maintained that he knew the truth because he was abducted seven years prior and was made privy to this information when he was forced to inseminate a female grey. As part of his credentials, besides a "masters degree" in "anchient history (sic)" from "Haarvard (sic)", he was apparently a regular caller to the Art Bell Show. When I called "bullshit", he practically made a threat on my life. He's no longer welcome on Wikipedia, but not for that. It was instead for coordinating an attempt to edit such articles with a non-neutral POV with several other people, all of whom used "sock puppets" (false accounts created to give the false appearance of a consensus on a given topic.)

You are not so unbalanced, Ernie, but almost all of the people I've met thus far who believe in and are involved in the dissemination of this "information" would definately qualify for professional observation in a psychiatric institute. Everyone from the seemingly normal guy I met at a "new age" sweat lodge to that loon on wikipedia. There are many perfectly rational people who believe in these things. Unfortunately for you, and the case you're trying to make, they are vastly outnumbered by those people who would benefit from a shot of thorazine in their arm.

As an aside though, I used to live quite near to W.P.A.F.B., in Beavercreek. I had two family members who worked on the base, as well as a good friend who was a civilian working in Air Force Intelligence on the base. I can assure you that extra-terrestrials did not not even remotely enter into any of their worldviews, but in my more impressionable days I remember coming across a shipping invoice (my uncle was a Colonel who was privy to almost the entire shipping operation on the base) that mentioned U.F.O. debris collected from the Pacific Northwest in an unlocked file box in his bedroom (where the family computer was). A few years later, I got up the balls to ask him about this, but according to him it was apparenly an "unidentified flying object" in its more mundane sense, referring to something that they believed was wreckage from a Russian drone that crashed on the southern coast of Washington. The document was classified (as evidenced by 90% of the document being blacked out), but he shared this with me since it had been partially unclassified since he had stored that copy of the document. This is not a man who would even remotely believe in extraterrestrials, believe me, but it made me wonder back then, nonetheless.

~Ethno
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
You are right Ethno, there are alot of people out there that are more sensitive and connected to this subject than I am. I believe strongly in aliens, but not to the point of threatening someones life. I have never seen an alien, or a UFO for that matter,nor have I ever claimed to. Everything I believe comes from my own findings through the years. I look at evidence from every perspective, even the skeptics. I have to admit alot of this stuff does seem crazy and outlandish, but the evidence is there nonetheless. And like I stated previousley, you have to weed out the absolute nonsense and hoaxes, sift through all the bullshit, and find the stuff that truly sounds genuine. I have at times been almost to the point of saying to myself "Dude your nuts", but for some reason, I just get the feeling that there is indeed something to it all.

As for your friend at WPAFB, it is truly a small world. My parents grew up in Dayton, and I used to live in Riverside. I could throw all kinds of government documents at you showing records of cargo shipped from Roswell to Dayton on that day, but then you'll just say that who knows what was really on those planes and we will continue to go round and round like the last forty something pages. No one but the people involved with the incident will ever know what really happened.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, just presenting the evidence the way I see it:peace:
 

Ethnobotanist

Well-Known Member
You are right Ethno, there are alot of people out there that are more sensitive and connected to this subject than I am. I believe strongly in aliens, but not to the point of threatening someones life. I have never seen an alien, or a UFO for that matter,nor have I ever claimed to. Everything I believe comes from my own findings through the years. I look at evidence from every perspective, even the skeptics. I have to admit alot of this stuff does seem crazy and outlandish, but the evidence is there nonetheless. And like I stated previousley, you have to weed out the absolute nonsense and hoaxes, sift through all the bullshit, and find the stuff that truly sounds genuine. I have at times been almost to the point of saying to myself "Dude your nuts", but for some reason, I just get the feeling that there is indeed something to it all.

As for your friend at WPAFB, it is truly a small world. My parents grew up in Dayton, and I used to live in Riverside. I could throw all kinds of government documents at you showing records of cargo shipped from Roswell to Dayton on that day, but then you'll just say that who knows what was really on those planes and we will continue to go round and round like the last forty something pages. No one but the people involved with the incident will ever know what really happened.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, just presenting the evidence the way I see it:peace:
And you've done a well-reasoned and patient job of presenting your views, and especially of tolerating my skepticism. There once was a time when I was much more open to the ideas you're espousing, or at least of the permissibility of some of them. As I said, I absolutely find no redeeming value in the "ancient astronaut" theories, mostly because I'm practically over-educated and can provide rational explaination for much of it- the sheer number of hoaxes and the money that those authors make off it doesn't help, either. If God or the Easter Bunny came down and told them in person that such things didn't exist, it wouldn't matter to those authors or to many of the people as deeply invested in it. Then again, if it was the Easter Bunny, that would be a wildcard that could go either way. I just threw that in there for those athiests and agnostics. I'm primarily talking about Erich von Daniken here, who either went off the deep end or made some sort of Faustian deal... He lost any credibility the day he dreamed up his theme park.

Where I am willing to concede a bit is in the realm of unidentified flying objects. The first sighting, to my knowledge, was in the late 1800's, very near the turn of the century. The next one, I believe, was in the 1920's. The sheer number of sightings, and especially that more than a handful have been captured on tape, says something. Some of the sightings were too early to have been experimental spacecraft, and some were witnessed by too many people to be easily explained as a hoax or some sort of mass hallucination. To be sure, there were very few sighting prior to the late 1950's, and the number of sighting are tied to events such as as H.G. Well's "War of the Worlds" and general hysteria incited by other media which depicts extraterrestrials. It also does not discount astronomical or atmospheric phenomena: I myself have witnessed "ball lighting", "St. Elmo's Fire", and "swamp/corpse lights" (also called will o'wisps). Some of these phenomena seem to behave to the observer as if they were intelligent, though they are obviously not. The swamp lights flew in formation, and the ball lightning followed me for some time before going off somewhere else. It found something more conductive, no doubt.

However, it seems to me that there have been cover-ups, such as in Roswell, New Mexico. While it can be argued that these may in fact be experimental aircraft (whether American or Soviet), as some who were involved believed in lieu of extraterrestial craft, others whose credibility is hard to question have believed otherwise. UFOs are also sighted all over the world, and it seems some governments have launched investigations into them. While logical explainations, or at least explainations having nothing to do with extraterrestrials can be offered for all of this, it still raises a few eyebrows, including my own.

I hope there are alien visitors out there. I just know (unfortunately) that the statistical probablility of extraterrestrials actually being sentient and making it here is astronomical almost to the point of it being impossible. One day, we'll start probing deep space in manned craft, and there are several planets out there that at least from preliminary images seem to be capable of supporting life. But, as most people know, simply because it appears to us now does not mean it is still there, with the time it takes light to travel between galaxies. But for those close to us (such as in the Andromeda), it's possible. This won't be in our lifetimes, unfortunately, but the truth, as they say, is out there. It would go a long way (such as in the Star Trek universe) toward human unity if we discovered for sure that we weren't alone. Even if it is a remote possibility, I know I personally shall keep looking to the sky. Here's hoping.

~Ethno
 

Ethnobotanist

Well-Known Member
I thought I'd dig up some interesting links that some of you might find entertaining. First up is the first recorded instance of science-fiction in history, by a Assyrian-Greek writer writing in the Roman period. Part of the story describes interstellar wars of a sort between the people of the moon and sun, which the protagonists become caught in when their ship is hurled toward the moon by a water geyser. It's actually a farce and satire, like many of his works, parodying the fantastic sea voyage genre of his time and prior, depicting things that were truly beyond belief. Some of the gullible people in his time believed such things to be true, so he wrote the most unbelievable of them all and called it "A True Story". And it's actually somewhat entertaining. Thankfully, this is one of the handful of texts that have survived from antiquity (Christians were very into the whole book-burning deal for several centuries, and we only have about 1% of the literary products before the Christian era as a result). Most of the poetry of Sappho, supposed to be some of the best in the world, and the entire Library of Alexandria were not so lucky. An English translation can be found here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/luc/true/index.htm

And, for those that don't know... we're made out of meat. This is a wonderful adaptation of the Terry Bisson short story/play:
http://www.atomfilms.com/af/content/made_meat

Enjoy!
~Ethno
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
Where I am willing to concede a bit is in the realm of unidentified flying objects. The first sighting, to my knowledge, was in the late 1800's, very near the turn of the century. The next one, I believe, was in the 1920's. The sheer number of sightings, and especially that more than a handful have been captured on tape, says something. Some of the sightings were too early to have been experimental spacecraft, and some were witnessed by too many people to be easily explained as a hoax or some sort of mass hallucination.
Like this one:

1897-The Aurora, Texas UFO Crash
 

Lacy

New Member
I'm with you on this one skunk.
In fact I will even say that I think humanity itself has to be pretty arrogant to think we are the only living being in the universe. I think that we are in fact one of the least intelligent species out there and I think we are so many light years away, their intelligence and technology would blow our minds.

Unfortunately I think that us as human would probably feel too threatened by the thought of any other beings around that we would try and attack. Maybe not but from our past history...I think we would. Not that we could do anything to them...:lol::lol::lol:

Maybe thats why none of them want to visit us. :cry:

I mean it is 2007 and this world is still barbaric when it comes to communicating which usually results in violence. Just my 2 cents. I know its "out there" but you asked. :evil::roll::mrgreen::blsmoke::peace:

Great...now people are REALLY gonna think I'm a basketcase if they don't already. :-|;)
The type that come from other planets.

Anyone believe they have landed on Earth? Not that they don't exist as I believe they do, the odds of them not are too great. Actually believe though that they have landed on Earth? Or that they kidnap people for experiments?
 

Erniedytn

Master of Mayhem
During a discussion at a NASA-meeting between a professor (who wants to remain anonymous) and Armstrong these words were exchanged:
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
Ed Mitchell and Gordon Cooper.
 

mr.peter

Active Member
i read this thread through (even though it got a little off topic in the begining) adn i have to say that recently (the last year) i came to the conclusion i have been abducted by aliens. Now you guys all probaly think i am full of it adn i hope i am also but am to chicken to find out. Just i remember through out my early childhood i have always been terrified by aliens. I remember i couldnt sleep out of fear adn actually got into praying at night because it was comforting. When i was 10 i think i rmember staying out all day long for 3 days selling popcorn for the boyscouts so i could get a free pocket knife to put next to my bed so i could stop being afraid. Also i have had wierd things in the morning or night happen. Like ill be freezeing to find my comforter in the hallway on the floor. Or wake up wiht sweats on like i went to bed but my boxers will be bakcwords. I dont have a history of sleep walking. (some occasional mumbleing) Also i love horror movies and have watched the scariest, but still i find the movie signs with mel gibson to scare the shit out of me! I couldnt wathc it the full way threw the first time. But then agian this is all a phobia i hope which is wierd because im not a controll freak or really stressed in any way. Any who i have though about going to a hypnotist to see if i can recall and abduction, however i realize i dont know if i could live with my self knowing that tht had happened. Also i saw a UFO the other day. And UFO doesnt mean alien space craft. And this probaly wont sound credable becaseu i was high at the time. But me adn this chick just got finished blazeing on the roof of this country club down teh road from me adn i saw these two lights. One amber and the other like blue white. As someone said before in there account they look like they were going to colide. The amber One was moveing real slow but the other super fast. So they met up and like hung out for like 30 seconds then the amber one started to move away while the other stayed. At this point i was like holy shit a UFO and this girl was laughing at me because i was practicaly shitting my pants just worried about getting off the roof so they dont see us. So we got down and i am like im fucking retarted its a plane. So i go back around this shed we were at to see if they are still there. And the blue one is like circleing around in an arc towards us because it was much closer. And through out this i was trying to take pictures on my phone. And i have two where you can actually see the blue light spec far away then closer. Any who i have to get a cable for my phone ot upload the pictures and i will if your actually interested in two specs of blue light. But back to UFO's and stuff read up about bob lazar and area 51. I found those the most entertaining but i dont get why the us government would be hiding stuff from the people. I have gotten in adn out of conspericy theories and finally realized that for my own opinion its actually as simple as they state no free mason satan worshipers adn cults and stuff but its actually all about money. And that was off topic but i can only come to the conclusion the only reason the us gov. would not tell about ufo's is if they didnt want the people too freak out becasue they could not explaine where reckage has come from. I have seen some of the documentaries on the discovery channal to be really factual giveing both sides of arguments adn good stories. Check them out. Im sorry too about all the typo's and kind of jumping thoughts through out because i am actually getting chills writeing this as i do when i normaly talk about aliens which i find wierd. Also i get like this wierd fealing as if like i have so much adrenalin but i am calm when i talk about aliens but cant contian my self and have wierd emotions like i want to cry but purly as like an instinct not like sad. But theeres my 2 cents. Oh one more thing before i go i read that almost every space mission sence the gemini ones have had UFO accounts. They identifiey the UFO's in outer space as an object that is moveing in a way that doesn corespond with physics wiht out propulsion. I.e. a object moveing in a zig zag adn makeing right angle turns and stuff. Ok thanks for reading peace go smoke!
 
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